Reed83HOF Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: LOl everything has been smoke so maybe .... On a serious note though I think the drafting of Peterman last year was a sign they prefer a pocket guy. Who knows? We'll see in a matter of 6 weeks. In may last year when he was hired, Beane spoke about this. So what boxes does Jackson check? So what does Beane look for in a quarterback? "Obviously, you draw them up, from a physical standpoint, they look like Cam (Newton)," Beane said. "But how many are there like that? You want a guy, the stature, the height, you know, they're standing over, they're not worried about linemen in their face. It gives them the vision and all that. Arm strength. But the one thing that people I think miss a little bit when they're watching, you know, the college game schematically has just been so dummied down that these guys know before the ball's snapped right where they're going. There's no progressions. There's no audibiling. That's the challenge that the college guys have, and it's brutal. And these quarterbacks that are getting drafted high that have never taken a snap from center, have never called an audible. That's tough. The intangibles are the other thing that you can't necessarily measure from the film. I can turn on the film and watch some things. You obviously want to see quarterbacks live, but what's this guy's makeup? What's his leadership? Do guys rally behind him? Brandon Beane: Yeah, I mean, calculated risk... whatever you want to call it. There are some times when they are going to have to thread the needle. It's third and long, and it's late in the game, and we've got to get this play, and they're going to put a spy on the quarterback or something like that... he's got to stand in there, trust his reads, trust his progressions... and sling it and make the throw. You have to do that. In college, you see a lot of running quarterbacks that can just make a play with their own. Everything breaks down and it becomes sandlot football, and you do see some plays in the NFL, but the speed is so different here. It takes a special player to do it, and to do it often... and again, the pounding that you take. We saw that in Carolina last year. Cam took more hits last year than he had in the previous years, so, it's a tough league. And again, I'll go back to it: You have to be able to throw from the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inigo Montoya Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) I hope we don't trade up and just take the best player available with every one of our picks and roll with McCarron and see what the kid has. I think we have a lot of holes to fill on this team and I'm not sure I see the sense in spending all of our draft capital on an "elite" QB prospect and then putting him behind a suspect O-line with a second rate receiving corps. That doesn't look like a recipe for success. We need to be picking up some linebackers in this draft too and that will be hard to do if we ship out all of our picks. Give McCarron an honest shot, draft some great LBs and WRs, pick up a beast of an offensive linemen, and see what happens. There is no Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning in this draft that is worth mortgaging your entire franchise for. Edited March 18, 2018 by Inigo Montoya typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BILLriant said: Even if he isn't a run first he's a run often That's generally what you do when your receivers suck and you have the ability to do so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 14 minutes ago, JM57 said: Truthfully, TT and Jackson have only 2 football traits in common; their position and their ability to run. Not trying to start any type of discussion around race, but if either TT or Jackson were white, I don't think we'd be comparing them against each other nearly as much. Jackson isn't an upscale TT to me. The similarities end at "wow this QB can really run well." He has much more natural ability as a QB. Stronger arm, better processing, etc. He did run at Louisville quite a bit, but that may have come down to the other 10 guys on the field with him more than anything else. When he did hang tight in the pocket, he showed he can make all the big time throws. He struggled a bit with accuracy at Louisville, which is always a concern, but none of these QBs are perfect. To me, his surrounding cast at Louisville was putrid--no one has been drafted off that offense since he became the starter--and he made the most of it. I think with time and proper coaching, he could be just as good as the others. ...MOST certainly appreciate your time and assessment bud...much appreciated.......race never entered into my mind.....so at the end of the day and you being McBeane, is he on your radar somewhere?......if so, where would you pull the trigger with existing picks or do you move with him as your target and perhaps avaolable later?............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BILLriant said: Even if he isn't a run first he's a run often Yes, because LJ was the entire Louisville offense. Coaches ran a good number of designed run plays where he average seven yards a carry. (Yes, seven yards, which included 18 TDs) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: The play that begins at 0:39 seconds is a thing of beauty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...MOST certainly appreciate your time and assessment bud...much appreciated.......race never entered into my mind.....so at the end of the day and you being McBeane, is he on your radar somewhere?......if so, where would you pull the trigger with existing picks or do you move with him as your target and perhaps avaolable later?............ I didn't think that was the case at all. It's just a comparison many of us make quickly and subconsciously. You see a run first QB and you go "oh yeah, Mike Vick, Tyrod Taylor, Lamar Jackson" or whatever. I read something back in the fall or early winter, I want to say about the Houston Rockets, where the GM has basically acknowledged this happens and challenged the evaluating staff to take the traits of the player and compare them to someone different. Ex) if you were evaluating Danny Amendola, don't tell me he is Wes Welker, tell me he is Jamison Crowder. Just something to really challenge the minds of the player personnel evaluators. If I was the Bills, I hope he falls to #12 and would be happy to take him there. Before the Cordy Glenn trade happened I had already kind of fallen into a mindset where I would rather trade up to the mid-teens for Jackson than all the way up the board and give up a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: See, I'm in the overdraft category, target which one you like, if he is a 2nd round prospect, take him at 22. We got to walk away with our guy. That's just it, I don't believe and hope to God that neither of these two are "our guy". I don't want either, but would take Jackson over Rudolph if someone had a gun to my head. The Jackson debate has gone on in about 150 different threads between TSW and the College Football forum. I am on record against Jackson everywhere to the extent that I said if he is still a QB by the end of his rookie contract then I'll have the crow population on the endangered species list. Neither of these guys are taking us to the next level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, PIZ said: Additionally...since you posted his best passes clip, here is a best runs clip to show the other side of the excitement around Lamar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JM57 said: I didn't think that was the case at all. It's just a comparison many of us make quickly and subconsciously. You see a run first QB and you go "oh yeah, Mike Vick, Tyrod Taylor, Lamar Jackson" or whatever. I read something back in the fall or early winter, I want to say about the Houston Rockets, where the GM has basically acknowledged this happens and challenged the evaluating staff to take the traits of the player and compare them to someone different. Ex) if you were evaluating Danny Amendola, don't tell me he is Wes Welker, tell me he is Jamison Crowder. Just something to really challenge the minds of the player personnel evaluators. If I was the Bills, I hope he falls to #12 and would be happy to take him there. Before the Cordy Glenn trade happened I had already kind of fallen into a mindset where I would rather trade up to the mid-teens for Jackson than all the way up the board and give up a ton. ...it certainly is an interesting progression over time my friend as I enter year 56 (damn I'm fuggin' OLD) following the Bills/NFL....harken back to the days Ralph was called a racist, yet he pioneered James Harris and Marlin The Magician Briscoe as QB's.....then we had the Tom Brookshire era about black QB's and their intelligence....Doug Williams and Warren Moon come to mind as those who squashed that........throw in the obvious inference from track and field folks that black athletes are far superior which certainly permeated black QB athleticism thinking....me?...could give a rat's azz.....gimme an Italian stallion with wheels and I'll make 'em sauce on Sundays (HINT: I ain;t Irish)...funny how we can joke about fast white guys like Amendola or Beebe,with no harm no foul....other side of the fence brands you a RACIST...I'm leaving the trusted decision in the WELL QUALIFIED hands of McBeane/McD/McDaboll, whether black, white, Polish, Italian or Irish...may balk at Russian thou....just get me the guy to lead us for the next 10+ years...I ain't picky........ Edited March 18, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JM57 said: Truthfully, TT and Jackson have only 2 football traits in common; their position and their ability to run. Not trying to start any type of discussion around race, but if either TT or Jackson were white, I don't think we'd be comparing them against each other nearly as much. Jackson isn't an upscale TT to me. The similarities end at "wow this QB can really run well." He has much more natural ability as a QB. Stronger arm, better processing, etc. He did run at Louisville quite a bit, but that may have come down to the other 10 guys on the field with him more than anything else. When he did hang tight in the pocket, he showed he can make all the big time throws. He struggled a bit with accuracy at Louisville, which is always a concern, but none of these QBs are perfect. To me, his surrounding cast at Louisville was putrid--no one has been drafted off that offense since he became the starter--and he made the most of it. I think with time and proper coaching, he could be just as good as the others. This was/is a fantastic post JM57 Overall TD's Mayfield 153 (48 starts) 3.2 TD's per game Jackson 119 (38 starts) 3.1 TD's per game Rudolph 95 (42 starts) 2.3 TD's per game Rosen 65 (30 starts) 2.2 TD's per game Darnold 64 (27 starts) 2.4 TD's per game Allen 57 (25 starts) 2.3 TD's per game For Fun: Overall TD's T.Taylor 67 (50 starts) 1.3 TD's per game (Look familiar to the pro level? He had 1.2 TD's per game last year with us) The TT to Lamar Jackson comparisons are so friggin dumb on these boards and lazy. Imagine having a QB last year that averaged 3TD's (running or throwing on our team). Think about it TBD'ers..... Edited March 18, 2018 by Real McCoy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: This was/is a fantastic post JM57 Overall TD's Mayfield 153 (48 starts) 3.2 TD's per game Jackson 119 (38 starts) 3.1 TD's per game Rudolph 95 (42 starts) 2.3 TD's per game Rosen 65 (30 starts) 2.2 TD's per game Darnold 64 (27 starts) 2.4 TD's per game Allen 57 (25 starts) 2.3 TD's per game For Fun: Overall TD's T.Taylor 67 (50 starts) 1.3 TD's per game (Look familiar to the pro level? He had 1.2 TD's per game last year with us) The TT to Lamar Jackson comparisons are so friggin dumb on these boards and lazy. Imagine having a QB last year that averaged 3TD's (running or throwing on our team. Think about it TBD'ers..... JM57 post is great and I think this one is good reinforcement. Bottomline: the Taylor comparisons are lazy and flat out wrong. Jackson may not have the high floor like Rosen (or maybe Darnold) but I don't think anyone could exceed his potential ceiling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, Max Fischer said: JM57 post is great and I think this one is good reinforcement. Bottomline: the Taylor comparisons are lazy and flat out wrong. Jackson may not have the high floor like Rosen (or maybe Darnold) but I don't think anyone could exceed his potential ceiling. I don't think Rosen has a high floor. A lot of questions with Rosen starting with his ability to avoid the pass rush and concussions and ending with his love for the game and ability to lead an NFL huddle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Max Fischer said: Research and reading will illustrate why I don't agree with anything in your post. I watched him in college last year and at the combine. He is erratic in his throws with one great pass and the next a duck. In the NFL those ducks will be intercepted. There is a real reason most scouts, draft analysts have the guy as the fifth best QB in this year's draft and some have him as a second-round pick. For a running QB, his move accuracy is highly inaccurate and he turns the ball over too much. Whichever team selects him will need to build an offense around him with a lot of run/pass options. He also has a small frame and could end up as another RG3 with injuries. He ran a spread offense mostly out of the shotgun and wasn't asked to make more than one or two reads and if those aren't open then he runs. Bottom line is Jackson is going to need a bunch of developmental time transitioning to the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, NewDayBills said: See, I'm in the overdraft category, target which one you like, if he is a 2nd round prospect, take him at 22. We got to walk away with our guy. I’m with you on that. QBs get overdrafted every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, BILLriant said: No more run first quarterbacks, even if he is in Vicks talent level, sure he was fun to watch and a freak, but how often was he banged up and didn't he even break his leg. We need a guy who stays in the pocket the majority of the time, stat healthy and be around for 10+ years Good thing Jackson isn't a run first QB then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 This was/is a great thread and a great article by Cover 1!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, PIZ said: Let me know if this was already posted. https://www.cover1.net/5-reasons-lamar-jackson-is-the-bills-target-in-the-draft/ Interesting they used the word "target". If he is their target I hope they are more accurate than he is. I don't want another quarterback who can't throw. I can't take it anymore. If the knock on a QB is that he can't throw very well, he isn't a quarterback. He is something else. I will be giddy about Jackson when he proves he can throw accurately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: Why is Jackson the target? Snarkily I thought...’cause he is the only one they can get.’ stinker! No... you have... Mason Rudolph, Riley Ferguson, Luke Falk, Kyle Lauletta, & Mike White But I'll rather have Jackson because of his legit production... just like i said about Watson... there's just some things you can't teach... talent & winning is just A1 on the Ribeye 2 hours ago, BILLriant said: No more run first quarterbacks, even if he is in Vicks talent level, sure he was fun to watch and a freak, but how often was he banged up and didn't he even break his leg. We need a guy who stays in the pocket the majority of the time, stat healthy and be around for 10+ years Jackson is not a RUN FIRST QB... you must haven't watch him play... cause NOBODY that literally watched him play has said that. Even Howard Simon on WGR, who admittedly watch only 2-3 games of Jackson came away saying "He's far from a run first QB".... 1 hour ago, Nihilarian said: I watched him in college last year and at the combine. He is erratic in his throws with one great pass and the next a duck. In the NFL those ducks will be intercepted. There is a real reason most scouts, draft analysts have the guy as the fifth best QB in this year's draft and some have him as a second-round pick. For a running QB, his move accuracy is highly inaccurate and he turns the ball over too much. Whichever team selects him will need to build an offense around him with a lot of run/pass options. He also has a small frame and could end up as another RG3 with injuries. He ran a spread offense mostly out of the shotgun and wasn't asked to make more than one or two reads and if those aren't open then he runs. Bottom line is Jackson is going to need a bunch of developmental time transitioning to the NFL. So will Darnold.. people claim he need 1-2 years... yet he might go 1sr overall. But talent evaluators say "Jackson with the right team has the highest upside" 2 hours ago, BILLriant said: Even if he isn't a run first he's a run often 2 hours ago, Max Fischer said: Yes, because LJ was the entire Louisville offense. Coaches ran a good number of designed run plays where he average seven yards a carry. (Yes, seven yards, which included 18 TDs) This ⬆ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Why would you put A1 on a ribeye? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 VY had legit production, was a winner, a good athlete, and was talented as well. Where is he now? There are numerous athletic QB's who produce at the college level, but it doesn't translate to the Pro's. He will be the latest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtothebrown Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Dont be suprised if Denver grabs him. They were after all suposedly enamored with Tyrod, or so the rumors suggested that if we were to cut Tyrod, Denver was gonna be all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'm OK with Jackson, but not in a trade up. I still have a few questions about him, but they aren't questions I'll ever be able to get the answers to, Fortunately, in the course of their due diligence, Buffalo should be able to get the answers. I do think Jackson has a higher upside that Michael Vick (or Tyrod Taylor, for that matter). Vick was never much more than a one read QB. If his primary target was covered, Vick's next preference was to take off running. He was also considerably shorter than Lamar Jackson. I don't know that Jackson is faster though. Vick was pretty fast. I think Jackson has already demonstrated the ability to find and open receiver to a greater degree than either Vick or Taylor. I think he probably would benefit from time on the bench, however, and if he is the pick, I wouldn't mind seeing AJ McCarron start when the season opens. If at some point during the season, the coaching staff thinks Lamar can take over, fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 While talking about that cover1... Let's not forget that the Panthers fired their OC this season in an attempt to bring in an OC who will work with Cam Newton to make him more of a pocket passer. Norv Turner is the Carolina new OC. "Rivera repeatedly spoke the last offseason about tailoring an offense that would rely less on Newton's running ability and helping the quarterback transition into a pocket passer. The plan stumbled out of the gate in 2017, thanks in part to Newton's offseason shoulder surgery." Russell Wilson is a very mobile QB who moves around in order to allow his receivers to get open so he can throw to them...a QB like him I want! Lamar Jackson worked in a very simplistic offense with one or two reads out of the shotgun and when those reads weren't open ...he ran. When he broke from the pocket his completion percentage on the run went from 59% down to 42%. However, his rawness as a passer makes him a risky gamble. He doesn’t have much experience under center or reading a defense. He has footwork issues that could make him one of the least accurate passers in the league upon entry. There are a lot of things he needs to work on to become an NFL-caliber passer. All of these issues make him one of the least day-one ready prospects among the top five or so. Worst case scenario, if the quarterback thing doesn’t pan out, I don’t think it’s insane to see him make a Terrelle Pryor-esque move to receiver one day. https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/1/22/16900712/scouting-the-2018-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-qb-louisville-new-york-jets 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Would it surprise you if Lamar Jackson turns out to be better than The Big 4? I wouldn’t be. This kid is special. Needs work but he brings so much to the table. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Would it surprise you if Lamar Jackson turns out to be better than The Big 4? I wouldn’t be. This kid is special. Needs work but he brings so much to the table. You need to get your head out of Youboty ............ Sorry, I couldn't resist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Cover 1 is connecting more dots than Robert Mueller!! Great article!! 22 hours ago, Nihilarian said: While talking about that cover1... Let's not forget that the Panthers fired their OC this season in an attempt to bring in an OC who will work with Cam Newton to make him more of a pocket passer. Norv Turner is the Carolina new OC. "Rivera repeatedly spoke the last offseason about tailoring an offense that would rely less on Newton's running ability and helping the quarterback transition into a pocket passer. The plan stumbled out of the gate in 2017, thanks in part to Newton's offseason shoulder surgery." Russell Wilson is a very mobile QB who moves around in order to allow his receivers to get open so he can throw to them...a QB like him I want! Lamar Jackson worked in a very simplistic offense with one or two reads out of the shotgun and when those reads weren't open ...he ran. When he broke from the pocket his completion percentage on the run went from 59% down to 42%. However, his rawness as a passer makes him a risky gamble. He doesn’t have much experience under center or reading a defense. He has footwork issues that could make him one of the least accurate passers in the league upon entry. There are a lot of things he needs to work on to become an NFL-caliber passer. All of these issues make him one of the least day-one ready prospects among the top five or so. Worst case scenario, if the quarterback thing doesn’t pan out, I don’t think it’s insane to see him make a Terrelle Pryor-esque move to receiver one day. https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/1/22/16900712/scouting-the-2018-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-qb-louisville-new-york-jets Lamar Jackson had one of the more complex offenses in college. Stop spreading fake news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedyardCTbillsfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I would be ok with Jackson but it would have to be at 22. Getting a quality defender like Vita Vea or Roquan Smith at 12 would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) On 3/18/2018 at 1:44 PM, Nihilarian said: The Bills just traded away a more accurate, safer with the ball running QB. why on earth would they even be looking at another who needs a few years of development time. You’re comparing their skin color. Not the fact that Lamar Jackson is pretty far ahead of Tyrod athletically and far out produced Tyrods college career. To me they arent in the same ballpark Edited March 20, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 The fact that McDermott coached on teams that had McNabb, Vick and Cam as QBs says a lot. By the way, they had 2 SB and 4 NFC Championships appearances between them. I'm just saying!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) On 3/18/2018 at 1:40 PM, Fetou said: Dolphins could take him. I could see Arizona moving up to take him as well. I would hate if the dolphins got him and bills had to face him 2x a year. Folks calling him run first have no clue On 3/18/2018 at 2:52 PM, SouthNYfan said: We're you dropped on your head as a child? He is right. Vick was in jail in his prime. So it’s not debatable. I’d be very ok with him at 12 Edited March 20, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I would hate if the dolphins got him and bills had to face him 2x a year. Folks calling him run first have no clue He is right. Vick was in jail in his prime. So it’s not debatable. I’d be very ok with him at 12 Vick was in jail age 27-29 He had arguably his best season as a pro when he went to Philly after his sentence. I ain't hate Lamar by the way, but to say he's better than Vick in the prime of his career is just absurd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Vick was in jail age 27-29 He had arguably his best season as a pro when he went to Philly after his sentence. I ain't hate Lamar by the way, but to say he's better than Vick in the prime of his career is just absurd. I was joking, a bit, but Lamar already looks like a far better pocket passer than Vick ever was. Shocked if he is faster though... Vick ran a 4.33...thats faster than spiller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I believe it. Jackson is the most complete QB in the class...why he's not being mentioned with the top 3 or 4 is ludicrous. And I'd be fine with Jackson as the pick. Edited March 20, 2018 by Domdab99 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just watched some videos on Jackson. He reminds me of Randall Cunningham. Do we really need to trade up for a QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 2018-03-18 at 1:48 PM, Pete said: I draft Roquan at 12 and monitor where Mayfield and Jackson slide. We have plenty of coin to trade up from 22 to say 16. And it won't cost anywhere as much as 12 to 2 Hmmm. I am starting to consider this. Especially since these QBs are all question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: Vick was in jail age 27-29 He had arguably his best season as a pro when he went to Philly after his sentence. I ain't hate Lamar by the way, but to say he's better than Vick in the prime of his career is just absurd. Didn't Michael Vick say this himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 On 3/18/2018 at 1:37 PM, Fetou said: How enraged will Bills fans be if the Bills trade up to 5 and take him? I would love to see the reactions! If you are rooting for the Bills to fail then you should find yourself another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, the skycap said: Didn't Michael Vick say this himself? No. He said: ""And the only thing that came to my mind was this kid is five times better than I was when I was at Virginia Tech, only because he was going against Florida State. I remember how difficult it was for me to make plays against Florida State. What effort had to be put into getting first downs, scoring touchdowns" The dude I'm disputing said Lamar was "five times better than Vick in his prime" That's a big difference than "when I was a Virginia tech" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 hours ago, the skycap said: Cover 1 is connecting more dots than Robert Mueller!! Great article!! Lamar Jackson had one of the more complex offenses in college. Stop spreading fake news Read the scouting report I posted! Works exclusively under shotgun Was not asked to read progressions much Didn’t look past first read very often Very high rate of snaps were option runs What's particularly scary is this kid ran a lot and when he did run his throw percentage went from 59.15 down to 42%. Russell Wilson, he is not! Louisville runs a spread offense, one or two reads and run. There is a world of difference between that and what most NFL teams run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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