Bangarang Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 12 minutes ago, Fetou said: You seem dense. I don't feel the need to talk about it further. Move on. You post stupid comments, you may get a response challenging your stupid assertion. Call it a joke afterwards, that's fine too. Why is it funny? Wow you are quite mad over nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 13 minutes ago, McBean said: I’d rather have Nate Peterman under center than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. So what you're saying is you'd rather tank ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, SouthNYfan said: So what you're saying is you'd rather tank ? AJ is likely to start over either of them anyhow. And we should have a nice tank in store for 2018, depending on how quickly this picks all pan out and how many we retain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fetou said: Agreed, but it would be costly. The 49ers and Raiders are both likely to be giving heavy consideration to a LB prospect. Jesus. Mack and roquan in gruden defense. My word. That's scary. 1 minute ago, Fetou said: AJ is likely to start over either of them anyhow. And we should have a nice tank in store for 2018, depending on how quickly this picks all pan out and how many we retain. I know I was joking with the guy saying he'd rather Peterman than Jackson or Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Worth a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 40 minutes ago, bufrock j said: new OC runs the system he ran in college, could end up being best of bunch and keeping all those picks could fill out a roster with alot of holes. maybe even trade back one pick and shoot for extra RD1 next year No you take the guy who you think can be the future... Not the leftovers. If they have a guy pegged do all you can to get him, in the NFL you dont get many shots at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 They dumped TT they will not sign a clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) If the Bills can't get Rosen or Mayfield I'm all in on Jackson. Cunningham 2.0 Edited March 18, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: He's got a better completion percentage than both Darnold and Allen when you adjust for dropped passes... ...and he makes defenders look silly trying to catch him. If you have to adjust stats to make a guy fit it’s a hard pass 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, Fetou said: More productive, infinitely more athletic, better adjusted completion percentage, better adjusted YPA, better level of competition in college, more pro-ready offense, and made large improvements from 2016 to 2017. Josh Allen on the other hand regressed and had a bad year at Wyoming. Marino had a pretty bad senior year at Pitt causing him to almost drop into the 2nd round. I am in no way advocating for Allen but sometimes circumstances make a player look worse than he really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 3rd round project. Pass Edited March 18, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Jackson and Allen have immense talent but a fair amount of risk. I’ve thought that the Bills would go after the guys with the fewest questions. The Jets trade yesterday may prevent that from happening. Jackson and Allen are on the table now IMO. Each needs some time though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorgio Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Fetou said: Jackson is better as a prospect in every way than Josh Allen, other than a few inches of height (Jackson is not short) and the size of his hands. When is Josh Allen converting positions? i disagree. allen has the best arm since jamarcus russell. hes easily gonna go into the nfl and have the strognest arm in the league. maybe only cam newton has a better arm. coaches love arm stregth above all else. theyll think they can coach him up and fix his weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Jackson and Allen have immense talent but a fair amount of risk. I’ve thought that the Bills would go after the guys with the fewest questions. The Jets trade yesterday may prevent that from happening. Jackson and Allen are on the table now IMO. Each needs some time though. Seems a lot of fans here want Josh Rosen. However, there are multiple risks and questions with that guy... Concussions Shoulder surgery Personality Is his heart in the game (is he in it for the long haul or will he pull a Jake Locker) I don't know why fans just ignore these things and then pick on Jackson, who's clearly all in on the game of football and has had no injury issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Noooooooooooo Real QB please. No more "mobile" guys who are remedial passers and suck as soon as their speed wears off. Give me a pocket passer who can play at a high level for 10+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Quick story from the parade in New Orleans yesterday. We had our Bills tent set up and had a lot of random Bills fans stopped by. This guy in jorts walked up and was talking with one of the guys. “I’m just glad Tyrod is gone. Now we can play a white QB.” That guy was a season ticket holder from Arcade. That guy (and a large group of Bills fans) will be furious if they add another black QB. Personally I don’t care what the QB looks like as long as he wins. We would be naive to pretend that it isn’t a reason that some people don’t like Jackson. I just wish people would own it like that guy in the jorts. Edited March 18, 2018 by Kirby Jackson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Quick story from the parade in New Orleans yesterday. We had our Bills tent set up and had a lot of random Bills fans stop by. This guy in jorts walked up and was talking with one of the guys. “I’m just glad Tyrod is gone. Now we can play a white QB.” That guy was a season ticket holder from Arcade. That guy (and a large group of Bills fans) will be furious if they add another black QB. Couple of new guys sitting behind us the last two years regularly and loudly dropped the N-bomb in regards to Tyrod. I spent a decade living down south, and by far the most heinous racist bullsh*t I've ever heard out of peoples mouths, without question, has been in WNY. 20 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Personally I don’t care what the QB looks like as long as he wins. We would be naive to pretend that it isn’t a reason that some people don’t like Jackson. I just wish people would own it like that guy in the jorts. Yup. They are definitely a non-zero segment of the anti-Tyrod, anti-EJ, anti-Lamar crowd. Edited March 18, 2018 by jimmy10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, RPbillsfan said: This is exactly the pathway the Bills should take. Stay at 12, take Lamar Jackson. Let him develop more physically and learn the offense. Play him in certain packages to get him time in game situations. Use 22 for a top linebacker such as Leighton Vander Esch or Rasean Evans. Use 53 and 56 on OL and WR Use 65 and 96 on CB and DT Six potential contributors at position of need and how do the Bills look in relation to the Jets and Dolphins. Something like this will have us as a solid NFL Football team going forward. Any of the top 5 QB’s this year can end up being a franchise guy or a bust. Why mortgage the whole draft fo a 20% shot of hitting the mark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Green Lightning said: My guess is that Jackson may just be where we end up. Even so, we'll likley need to use pick 12 to do it. He may not grade out to that high a pick but you just have to overpay for a QB these days. i would be really happy with jackson at 12. to me, this is taking the big swing. he has undeniable talent, and if they think that jackson at 12 and using the rest of the picks to round out the team is greater than giving up everything to try for a guy in the top five, then i am ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) I like Lamar he is gone in the top 15. He has every tool. He is the next Mike Vick. Edited March 18, 2018 by Awwufelloff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 On one hand, his accuracy has improved every year since he started. On the other hand, can we please just get a damn pocket passer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: I like Lamar he is gone in the top 15. He has every tool. He is the next Mike Vick. One of the draft previews called him Mike Vick with a better head on his shoulders. I'd take that in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 If they can't get the guy they want (I don't believe for a minute it is Jackson), just pass on a QB in the 1st round. Not interested in Losmaning the draft (picking a 2nd or 3rd option). That said, I'd do everything in my power to get the guy I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: On one hand, his accuracy has improved every year since he started. On the other hand, can we please just get a damn pocket passer? This is the complaint that I get most frustrated with. He mostly passes the ball from the pocket. He is not in the vein of Tyrod Taylor who prefers to scramble outside of the pocket and throw on the run. He either passes from the pocket or sprints forward like a RB on designs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 If Josh Allen falls to 12 take him if not take Lamar Jackson. At 22 take a LB keep all our other picks and build. I’m ok with AJ McCarron starting at QB first game of the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I'd take Jackson in RD2, for sure. Assuming the top 4 QBs are gone: 12.) 1a. Vita Vea 1b. Roquan Smith 22.) 1a. Rashaan Evans 1b. Taven Bryan I would take Rudolph at 22 under the right scenario, but perhaps that's desperation on my end. If he is there at 53, why take him at 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just now, wppete said: If Josh Allen falls to 12 take him if not take Lamar Jackson. At 22 take a LB keep all our other picks and build. I’m ok with AJ McCarron starting at QB first game of the season. If by some wizardry Roquan falls past the Raiders, it will be a very hard decision to pass on him at 12. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Fetou said: If by some wizardry Roquan falls past the Raiders, it will be a very hard decision to pass on him at 12. I was thinking the same and Termain Edmunds of VT. I would love either of them as our MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 45 minutes ago, papageorgio said: allen has the best arm since jamarcus russell My mind is blown by the number of people that say exactly this without the slightest hint of irony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Fetou said: If by some wizardry Roquan falls past the Raiders, it will be a very hard decision to pass on him at 12. I agree. He is the next Ray Lewis. As for your earlier comment, I think I just have "Vince Young Syndrome." I get scared of QBs with great running talent because they often falter as they get older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Fetou said: If by some wizardry Roquan falls past the Raiders, it will be a very hard decision to pass on him at 12. As great of a LB Roquan seems to be, you just can not pass on a potential franchise QB. A franchise's "game changing" moment rarely ever happens with a LB. You've got to suck it up, do the right thing and take that swing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorgio Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: My mind is blown by the number of people that say exactly this without the slightest hint of irony jamarcus russel had all the tools to be a good player he was a lazy peice of ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, terrytate said: I Like Jackson's ceiling but he is far from there. He will need 2 years atleast. and that's why we signed AJ for 2 yrs. Whoever we draft at qb will require 1-2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I love Roquan as a prospect and in this scheme. I don’t think that you can take anyone but a QB though with your first pick (whenever it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, bufrock j said: new OC runs the system he ran in college, could end up being best of bunch and keeping all those picks could fill out a roster with alot of holes. maybe even trade back one pick and shoot for extra RD1 next year ...couple of quick questions...what if THAT system is NOT what McD wants to employ?.....who wins that argument?......not being able to watch college ball, I am ASSUMING (probably wrong) from what I've read that Jackson is generically an upscale TT, meaning greater attributes.....so in YOUR view (forget my opinion), was it TT's "style" that excluded him from the long term plan or was it his deficiencies as is in a consistently threatening passing game (or lack thereof) that caused the decision?.....does Jackson's ability in the passing game exceed those abilities and if so, does his overall style fit in what this gang is looking for?........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, papageorgio said: jamarcus russel had all the tools to be a good player he was a lazy peice of ****. By "all the tools" you mean one tool - a strong arm. You can't name a single QB that was drafted on arm talent alone and made a career out of it. It never happens. I think Cam Newton has come closer than anyone and he had exactly one great season, and he's never fixed his accuracy problems. I think if Mahomes and Allen both bust that could be the end of that style of QB getting drafted high. The NFL has to learn eventually, right? Edited March 18, 2018 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I know it’s apparently insensitive to compare the two QBs and people want to make it a big thing, but if we draft this kid il be pissed. If the added element of the ability to run is something we are looking for, then we should have kept Tyrod. Tyrod is one of the 2 or 3 best running QBs I have ever seen. If this is the type of player we want in this offense, then we should have kept the guy who we had. Also, why did we trade all of these guys last year (that would have helped us in Jacksonville) if we weren’t moving up to take one of the best QBs in the draft? No Jackson. No to Allen, no to Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 I do believe he will be the best rookie. I don't know about long term but if I wanted to win in the short I'd take Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: By "all the tools" you mean one tool - a strong arm. You can't name a single QB that was drafted on arm talent alone and made a career out of it. It never happens. I think Cam Newton has come closer than anyone and he had exactly one great season, and he's never fixed his accuracy problems. I think if Mahomes and Allen both bust that could be the end of that style of QB getting drafted high. The NFL has to learn eventually, right? Stafford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 18, 2018 Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, HappyDays said: By "all the tools" you mean one tool - a strong arm. You can't name a single QB that was drafted on arm talent alone and made a career out of it. It never happens. I think Cam Newton has come closer than anyone and he had exactly one great season, and he's never fixed his accuracy problems. I think if Mahomes and Allen both bust that could be the end of that style of QB getting drafted high. The NFL has to learn eventually, right? ...Jeff George had a cannon......Montana didn't....now what?.....who is your choice??........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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