D521646 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Here me out. JD, when he took over the Chiefs brought in Alex Smith, and then built around him. They did not take a QB in that draft, instead they added weapons with5 picks in the first 3 rounds (if memory serves). I think it is entirely possible, if not likely that JD follows the same approach to winning now, rather than building. Let's face it, Browns are NOT going to Brown this upcoming season. They have a good team now, solid vets with talented young players, and are about to get even better. I think Dorsey honestly believes that Tyrod is his guys (for now), I think both he and Hue believe in him, and will have Haley tailor (no pun intended) an offense around him. My BOLD predication is that Cleveland takes Barkley at 1, and then Fitz or Chub at 4, or trade back out with the Bills, or some other team willing to jump ahead. THAT is how this draft is going to play out for them, IMO. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Hear me out, you’re on drugs... 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Think again. They will take a QB at one and it'll be Darnold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 I'm betting no they won't for exactly the reason I gave. Dorsey's MO is pretty clear! Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 That's not what their saying in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Misterbluesky said: That's not what their saying in Cleveland. Of course they're not saying that.. That's why it's a bold prediction. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I think it’s pretty clear Darnold is #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Detective Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, D521646 said: Here me out. JD, when he took over the Chiefs brought in Alex Smith, and then built around him. They did not take a QB in that draft, instead they added weapons with5 picks in the first 3 rounds (if memory serves). I think it is entirely possible, if not likely that JD follows the same approach to winning now, rather than building. Let's face it, Browns are NOT going to Brown this upcoming season. They have a good team now, solid vets with talented young players, and are about to get even better. I think Dorsey honestly believes that Tyrod is his guys (for now), I think both he and Hue believe in him, and will have Haley tailor (no pun intended) an offense around him. My BOLD predication is that Cleveland takes Barkley at 1, and then Fitz or Chub at 4, or trade back out with the Bills, or some other team willing to jump ahead. THAT is how this draft is going to play out for them, IMO. Tim- 6 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabills21 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 That was Dorsey's MO when he had a QB to build around in Smith. If they thought Taylor was the long term answers, they would have reworked his contract when they traded for him. They're taking Darnold, and likely Fitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, dabills21 said: That was Dorsey's MO when he had a QB to build around in Smith. If they thought Taylor was the long term answers, they would have reworked his contract when they traded for him. They're taking Darnold, and likely Fitz Dorsey was the Chiefs GM last year, what QB did they take? The one with the big arm and good legs, I think the Browns go Barkley 1 and Allen 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 A GM with his job on the line. He has to pick the right QB. I could see the GM going your route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Joe Thomas Just retired, over his 11 years he blocked for 20 different starting Quarterbacks! 20! Any GM coming in knows that QB has been the heart of this team's problem they will do everything they can to make sure that whoever replaces Thomas does not have to block for another 20 starting quarterbacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 I "think" that they have a gentleman's agreement in place with the Bills. I "think" that if the QB the Bills covet is still there at 4, we have an agreement with them for their 4th, our 12th, 22nd, 65th, and late rounder this or next year for that pick. The Browns add draft capital, and cans till get a decent QB at 12 or even 22nd if they so desired. I think this is how it's going to go down. The Bills exposed themselves, IMO, with this trade to the Browns. Adding AJM was hedging, but I believe the Bills are looking to add that franchise QB, even if he sits a year or two. Who? I dunno, my wish is Mayfield, but I don't know who they covet, but it will be someone at 4 for the Bills. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 They'll take QB at #1, no way they can pass that up. It'd make sense for them trade out of #4 with us, to go after an OT at #12 and Guice at #21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Now Ive heard it all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) A team that passed on both Carson Wentz and Jarod Goff is not going to pass up on a QB this year. Edited March 16, 2018 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Ok, so a lot of none believers I see.. Well, I stand by it, this is my prediction, bold as it is. Tim- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Ban this dude from making threads again please 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, D521646 said: Ok, so a lot of none believers I see.. Well, I stand by it, this is my prediction, bold as it is. Tim- "Bold" is not the correct adjective here Tim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Detective said: This is, by a country mile, your best post on this forum. I'm not saying that you should definitely quit while you're ahead, but... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, D521646 said: Ok, so a lot of none believers I see.. Well, I stand by it, this is my prediction, bold as it is. Tim- My bold prediction is this thread will be bumped on draft night. And you shall be roasted. 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: This is, by a country mile, your best post on this forum. I'm not saying that you should definitely quit while you're ahead, but... You KNOW it's a bad prediction when BBD can roast you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Hear me out /post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 They would be crazy to pass up a QB with one of those two picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Wow, you guys are brutal.. Good thing I'm no snowflake or I'd have to start a riot.. Tim- 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: They would be crazy to pass up a QB with one of those two picks. What if they think the one they want will be there at 12? Just saying.. Tim- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) I'm on board with you line of thinking. The Browns said they are open to trade. They have traded out in the past. The browns on the Tyrod train right now. They actually want to be us. I think they are more interested in what they can do next season then picking a guy that will flame out anyway because the Brown suck. I think they plan to build around Tyrod and push to win 6 games next season. The Browns want to win now I imagine. A 3rd for Tyrod is panic mode for making a difference next season. Don't let responses rattle you. Your talking to the QB is life crowd so anything other then QB is blasphemy. Edited March 16, 2018 by Lfod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BuffaloMatt Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Somebody started celebrating St. Patrick's Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I think everyone just needs to calm down. There is entirely too much thinking and predicting going on. Someone is going to get hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Not knocking the idea but let me just ask some questions. 1) We needed to move on from TT because he's a limited QB that's not going to get us to the promised land. Is this correct? 2) Don't you think Dorsey, an NFL GM might also realize this? 3) The Browns have already traded their #2 QB away in Kizer. Why would they do that if they did not have plans in bringing in another rookie to sit behind TT? Why not just allow Kizer to continue to develop? I have several other questions but these are starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCinBuffalo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: That's not what their saying in Cleveland. Disinformation. I specifically wrote a thread about this. I guarantee you that Cleveland: 1. Knows they can't get out of #1, because nobody is willing to pay for that spot, unless it''s utter idiot drafting team like the Redskins or Raiders. 2. Wants to get out of #4 in the worst way. You can't tell me that Cleveland is "good", when 70% of their roster, before FA, had won 0 or 1 NFL football games in their career. Signing Tyrod and the rest doesn't make Cleveland competitive, never mind good. Cleveland needs more picks than they have. They can't get enough out of 1 pick, even #4, to turn their team around. They need many 2, 3 and 4s for that. So, they are threatening to take a QB. So what? They are trying to force the value of #4 up as high as they can. Only suckers are buying that. Look at what happened to the Raiders in 2013: They only got a 2nd rounder for Miami to move up from #12 to #3. The Raiders had to move down, and, because everybody knew it, they got less value for it. (Meanwhile, this is also the year/trade that we raped the Rams, because they had raped the Redskins the year before in the RG3 trade ...which ultimately resulted in Shady McCoy, Buffalo Bill. I will never stop laughing at this whole thing. Tell me again about RG3.... ) So, again, like I said in my thread: don't buy the disinformation. Cleveland's position is weak, not strong. Them really taking a QB @ 4 when they already have a serviceable starter, AND, just lost their All-Pro LT, is a story only an unmitigated moron believes. Edited March 16, 2018 by OCinBuffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 18 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Not knocking the idea but let me just ask some questions. 1) We needed to move on from TT because he's a limited QB that's not going to get us to the promised land. Is this correct? 2) Don't you think Dorsey, an NFL GM might also realize this? 3) The Browns have already traded their #2 QB away in Kizer. Why would they do that if they did not have plans in bringing in another rookie to sit behind TT? Why not just allow Kizer to continue to develop? I have several other questions but these are starters. 1) The fans including myself needed to move on. That doesn't represent the teams feelings. Plenty of room to speculate still. Sure the Bills may have felt desperate to move on or maybe they made what they felt was a lateral move and getting a 3rd for it. 2) The GM obviously believes he can get more out of Tyrod then the Bills did. I don't think he can but time will tell. 3) That is a good point I can't argue with that. 7 minutes ago, OCinBuffalo said: Disinformation. I specifically wrote a thread about this. I guarantee you that Cleveland: 1. Knows they can't get out of #1, because nobody is willing to pay for that spot, unless it''s utter idiot drafting team like the Redskins or Raiders. 2. Wants to get out of #4 in the worst way. You can't tell me that Cleveland is "good", when 70% of their roster, before FA, had won 0 or 1 NFL football games in their career. Signing Tyrod and the rest doesn't make Cleveland competitive, never mind good. Cleveland needs more picks than they have. They can't get enough out of 1 pick, even #4, to turn their team around. They need many 2, 3 and 4s for that. So, they are threatening to take a QB. So what? They are trying to force the value of #4 up as high as they can. Only suckers are buying that. Look at what happened to the Raiders in 2013: They only got a 2nd rounder for Miami to move up from #12 to #3. The Raiders had to move down, and, because everybody knew it, they got less value for it. (Meanwhile, this is also the year/trade that we raped the Rams, because they had raped the Redskins the year before in the RG3 trade ...which ultimately resulted in Shady McCoy, Buffalo Bill. I will never stop laughing at this whole thing. Tell me again about RG3.... ) So, again, like I said in my thread: don't buy the disinformation. Cleveland's position is weak, not strong. Them really taking a QB @ 4 when they already have a serviceable starter, AND, just lost their All-Pro LT, is a story only an unmitigated moron believes. Thank you for saying this. I've seen a lot of talk of talk about how good the Browns are and will be when they had a winless year. I'm not saying it isn't possible but man that is a huge leap to think the Browns will all the sudden go from winless to very good. Edited March 16, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, D521646 said: Wow, you guys are brutal.. Good thing I'm no snowflake or I'd have to start a riot.. Tim- What if they think the one they want will be there at 12? Just saying.. Tim- This i can agree with.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Passing on a QB in the top of the draft AGAIN would be grounds for the immediate and overdue release of Hue Jackson as coach and would also likely set in motion the removal of the franchise from the ownership of Haslam. Jackson has had RG3, McCown, Kessler, Kizer, and Hogan as his QBs on the Browns. He has built no offense around anyone. He is no more likely to "build one around TT" either. They aren't passing on a QB and rolling with TT. That makes zero sense--even with Barkley as the RB (who won't be as good as McCoy is right now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, D521646 said: Here me out. JD, when he took over the Chiefs brought in Alex Smith, and then built around him. They did not take a QB in that draft, instead they added weapons with5 picks in the first 3 rounds (if memory serves). I think it is entirely possible, if not likely that JD follows the same approach to winning now, rather than building. Let's face it, Browns are NOT going to Brown this upcoming season. They have a good team now, solid vets with talented young players, and are about to get even better. I think Dorsey honestly believes that Tyrod is his guys (for now), I think both he and Hue believe in him, and will have Haley tailor (no pun intended) an offense around him. My BOLD predication is that Cleveland takes Barkley at 1, and then Fitz or Chub at 4, or trade back out with the Bills, or some other team willing to jump ahead. THAT is how this draft is going to play out for them, IMO. Tim- worst post ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Passing on a QB in the top of the draft AGAIN would be grounds for the immediate and overdue release of Hue Jackson as coach and would also likely set in motion the removal of the franchise from the ownership of Haslam. Jackson has had RG3, McCown, Kessler, Kizer, and Hogan as his QBs on the Browns. He has built no offense around anyone. He is no more likely to "build one around TT" either. They aren't passing on a QB and rolling with TT. That makes zero sense--even with Barkley as the RB (who won't be as good as McCoy is right now). They gave up a 3rd rounder and already named him starter. He is plan A for QB next season and they are indeed rolling with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Browns have a good team now? Uhhh. Also, they just lost Crowell, who was one of their best players. If the coach and GM think Taylor is the answer, they should both get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Lfod said: They gave up a 3rd rounder and already named him starter. He is plan A for QB next season and they are indeed rolling with him. The 3rd is a throwaway pick for them this draft. What's your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://articles.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/04/cleveland_browns_trade_down_fr.amp&ved=2ahUKEwiyw-ec4PHZAhXykOAKHbKzDvUQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw3Kt8H6vUYH3i2FlXkLqdaF&cf=1 Browns last year. Trade down. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://articles.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/04/browns_trade_down_from_no_2_to.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjGttXd4PHZAhWpneAKHZ4GDvIQFjAAegQICBAB&usg=AOvVaw0dLxYohLxQsu-KZgWUayU9&cf=1 Browns the year before. Trade down. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2762146-john-dorsey-browns-open-to-trading-no-1-overall-pick-in-2018-nfl-draft.amp.html&ved=2ahUKEwiRivuC4fHZAhWxVt8KHWA_AiIQFjABegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw2ioYl6bQYvTjjnFWHUUesI&cf=1 Browns currently. Edited March 16, 2018 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Hear me out, you’re on drugs... Nate Burleson said the same thing on Good Morning Football this am: Barkely at #1 and either OG Nelson or some other blue chip or trading out for more draft riches. Any number of NFL media analysts are predicting that the Browns are going to take Barkley with the #1 pick because they don't think that they like any of the QBs in this draft enough. Also Dorsey said a few weeks ago that the Browns were open to trading the #1 pick "for the right price". He wouldn't say that if the Browns had already predetermined that they were taking a specific QB at #1. They don't have to put up any "smokescreens". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The signing of Hyde means nothing about whether the Browns draft Barkley. Announcing Taylor starts means nothing about them drafting a QB. Jackson thinks he made a mistake starting Kizer so soon. He doesn't want to repeat it. Depending on how the Browns rate quarterback prospects, picking at four is either safe / shrewd or criminal malpractice. But no one knows how the Browns rate quarterback prospects. The Browns will get a QB at 1 or 4, though there are fancy scenarios where they trade for 2 or 3. I'm not sure why people think the Giants won't draft a QB at 2. Because they have Eli? Because they've hinted they won't? Teams feel obligated to lie about their draft aims. I think it's considered poor form to be honest and upfront. The Browns probably won't trade out of 4 even if they get their QB at 1. They have tons of picks and will be looking for quality over quantity. The only sure bet to trade up is the Colts, but there will be a lot of suitors....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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