BillsFan130 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I don't know what people expected him to say... "Yeah we want to get into the top 5 to get a QB. We are trying to work out a trade with one of the teams and hoping we can get it done" ?? Lol so true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 25 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Did Beane also indicate that he was comfortable with paying the $6M bonus to Tyrod? And they may have been, but then the Browns came calling and they didn't have to worry about it. It's not like he was scrambling and took whatever he could get do he did get cut for free. At least 95% of the people here were shocked he was able to get a third...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Steptide said: It's the safe answer. Typical gm speak. You start saying you're gonna move up, other teams will start asking you to sell the farm to get their pick. Bean is smart Smarter than a fair number here. Never tip your hand if you do not have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 minutes of hot air. Plenty of talking, nothing of substance. They are pro poker players, they are not showing you jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I think the whole thing is based on who does what. He’s not going to give a ton to move up. There’s no guarantee those quarterbacks are all going in the top 10. If he can sit at 12 and still get one of their top 3 ranked quarterbacks and keep all their picks that’s huge. I also think a lot of people are undervaluing what Mccarron May bring to the table here. They can win now with Mccarron and still go after an elite quarterback prospect next year. I just don’t think he’s giving away all these picks just for the sake of moving up. We will know in a few weeks though Further, who is to say that McCarron will not flourish in a new situation especially with the right coach. 2 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: 20 minutes of hot air. Plenty of talking, nothing of substance. They are pro poker players, they are not showing you jack. Nor should they. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 How many of you who say Beane was lying in his press conference would stand in front of him and say he was lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Of course he's "not certain" they will move up, because it takes two to tango and the Giants and Colts may stay in their picks. That doesnt mean he doesnt WANT to move up. Geez Louise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: "There are some players that are going to be at 12 -- whether it's quarterback or another position -- that I know would not have fallen to 21," Beane said, referring to the No. 21 overall selection Buffalo traded to Cincinnati. "I'm excited about that. There are some guys that we were talking about right before we went to the combine with our scouts, and I'm like, 'We're wasting our time with this guy. He ain't falling to 21. This guy is a top-10, 12 -- he ain't getting past 15.' "We're in the range for those guys [now]. And that's not necessarily quarterback." That's like 9 players...BFD(Big F'in Deal) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said: I cant shake this feeling that we will trade into the top 3 before draft day I'd be SHOCKED if Giants or Colts trade out before seeing what Cleveland does at #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: How many of you who say Beane was lying in his press conference would stand in front of him and say he was lying? pulling our leg might be a nicer way of putting it, If Mayfield is targeted maybe not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 It's funny cause if he came out and said I have a deal worked out and we are moving up no matter the cost, everyone would get excited and no one would be sitting here talking about how he is lying and that's what they Do, its a smokescreen. If it's not what the fans want to hear it's always that it's lying, poker face, smokescreen, etc. Except when it's what they want them to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I'd be SHOCKED if Giants or Colts trade out before seeing what Cleveland does at #1. A few more weeks it will be well known who they are taking - it happens every year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: How many of you who say Beane was lying in his press conference would stand in front of him and say he was lying? He is giving generic "coachspeak" responses. That is not lying. "We're looking for good football players" - well, I hope so! After our 1st round draft picks, regardless of who we get, you know what the response will be? "They were the target all along". "We're excited for what he can do for our football team" Blah, blah, blah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Sooooo.... here's an interesting statement by Beane that, to me, might be a slip by Beane that the Bills are targeting Lamar Jackson: "There are some guys that we were talking about right before we went to the combine with our scouts, and I'm like, 'We're wasting our time with this guy. He ain't falling to 21. This guy is a top-10, 12 -- he ain't getting past 15." 15, huh? Who has been the team most linked to Lamar Jackson? Just try googling "team most likely to draft Lamar Jackson" and right now this is the 1st link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/2018-nfl-mock-draft-lamar-jackson-carson-palmer-cardinals/amp/ Very interesting. I still think we're pretty clearly moving up, but specifically referencing the Cardinals draft spot might be a sign. Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen in a trade up or Jackson at 12 and I'm stoked!!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: A few more weeks it will be well known who they are taking - it happens every year.... Ehh, usually only because there is an obvious choice, and that #1 team doesnt usually also have pick #4. But Cleveland could go RB then QB, or QB first and whoever at #4... And with the Rookie Slotting, teams no longer have to work out a lengthy contract negotiation before the draft. Cleveland has no reason to show their hand. Edited March 16, 2018 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Of course he doesnt know what he is going to do because he doesnt know what is going to be there, who is going to fall and how much moving up will truly cost because other teams might also be talking to teams in the top 5 about moving up but wont know if they are wantimg to for the same reasons... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Anyone else scared another team is going to fleece us on the trade up deal because it's obvious that we are banking on that for our answer at qb? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I want a gm who says absolute gibberish when asked questions. "We look at the draft like a dog looks at the magna carta, our visual preceptors are always tuned in to the quantum fluctuation and the gamma photons. Our plan is to jimmy the johnsons and don the shulas. We will not be passive or aggressive we will be passive and or aggressive to varying degrees. In 2000 years when the kalaxans are first heard over the nebulonic speaker storms we will be the team we were meant to be..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Yeah, there's absolutely no reason to pay close attention to anything he says at this point. Watch what he does, not what he says. I'll be stunned if we don't further move up and take a top name QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ehh, usually only because there is an obvious choice, and that #1 team doesnt usually also have pick #4. But Cleveland could go RB then QB, or QB first and whoever at #4... And with the Rookie Slotting, teams no longer have to work out a lengthy contract negotiation before the draft. Cleveland has no reason to show their hand. There hand will be shown, every year there is no surprise at #1. We knew Myles Garrett last year, we knew Goff, we knew Winston, we knew Clowney, we knew Fisher, we knew Luck, we knew Newton...we will know this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Anyone else scared another team is going to fleece us on the trade up deal because it's obvious that we are banking on that for our answer at qb? I think that’s where our relationships with other teams at the top comes in- all sides involved will want a deal that works for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Anyone else scared another team is going to fleece us on the trade up deal because it's obvious that we are banking on that for our answer at qb? It's certainly possible, but we'll never know it. "He was the target all along" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 In the NFL, unless you're signing a free agent for whom there is no competition, every move a team makes depends in part on at least one other team, and often on multiple teams. I imagine that in the Bills' perfect world, Beane wants to move up, but he has to have contingency plans in place for various possible events in the draft. To trade up, first you have to have another team in the right spot that is interested in trading down. Right now, I would guess there are probably three spots Buffalo is interested in trading into in order to get the QB they want, maybe four. We assume the Colts are interested in trading out of #3. Maybe all three teams are interested in trading (Cleveland times 2, NY Giants and Indy). Maybe not. Second, Beane has in mind a price he's willing to pay. The teams that may be interested in trading undoubtedly have a price they want to receive. Invariably, the team interested in trading down has a higher price in mind for their pick than their prospective trading partner has in mind for trading up. At this point in time, that's probably the biggest fly in the ointment. Whether or not it gets resolved depends on how motivated buy and seller are to settle on a price that both can live with. For Beane, his wiggle room probably depends on how he views all the top QBs. If there is only one QB he thinks he can live with, he has to play a dangerous game. If there are four or five he thinks can develop into the franchise guy Buffalo has lacked to way too long, his price to move up probably doesn't have a whole lot of wiggle room because he'll figure he can get one of his guys at #12, or maybe even at #22. If all that is true, I can see why he said what he said. There are no plans in place to move up, or maybe more accurately, there are plans in place to try and move up, and plans in place to stand pat, if that's how the draft works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Bull! That's a smoke screen if I ever saw one. But I suppose if they can't find a trade partner and the QB they want gets taken, sure they'll stay at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Anyone else scared another team is going to fleece us on the trade up deal because it's obvious that we are banking on that for our answer at qb? No...we have been the ones doing the fleecing...I expect more of the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Sooooo.... here's an interesting statement by Beane that, to me, might be a slip by Beane that the Bills are targeting Lamar Jackson: "There are some guys that we were talking about right before we went to the combine with our scouts, and I'm like, 'We're wasting our time with this guy. He ain't falling to 21. This guy is a top-10, 12 -- he ain't getting past 15." 15, huh? Who has been the team most linked to Lamar Jackson? Just try googling "team most likely to draft Lamar Jackson" and right now this is the 1st link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/draftwire.usatoday.com/2018/02/04/2018-nfl-mock-draft-lamar-jackson-carson-palmer-cardinals/amp/ Very interesting. I still think we're pretty clearly moving up, but specifically referencing the Cardinals draft spot might be a sign. Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen in a trade up or Jackson at 12 and I'm stoked!!!! I tell ya what- he’s not my first choice but I would certainly take Lamar over Allen any day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineforty Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 I've been assuming #12 in 2018 is less valuable to teams and us compared to our 2019 1st rd pick. Now I'm questioning that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 get a bargain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: I tell ya what- he’s not my first choice but I would certainly take Lamar over Allen any day I want neither! We only need 1 good QB. So get one! Why discuss the bad ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Batman1876 said: I want a gm who says absolute gibberish when asked questions. "We look at the draft like a dog looks at the magna carta, our visual preceptors are always tuned in to the quantum fluctuation and the gamma photons. Our plan is to jimmy the johnsons and don the shulas. We will not be passive or aggressive we will be passive and or aggressive to varying degrees. In 2000 years when the kalaxans are first heard over the nebulonic speaker storms we will be the team we were meant to be..." That's the way Rex Ryan talked. The problem was that he thought it meant something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Anyone else scared another team is going to fleece us on the trade up deal because it's obvious that we are banking on that for our answer at qb? Very few teams have the fire power we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Cubed said: Exactly lol !!! Just like he wasn't trading from 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, matter2003 said: No...we have been the ones doing the fleecing...I expect more of the same Ya but we are not in a position of power, we have a lot of picks and we want a qb, all the other teams know this. If they really like a guy at 2,3,4 they are going to want to get compensated, likely a lot more than the "value charts" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: That's the way Rex Ryan talked. The problem was that he thought it meant something. It meant something to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Lol not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Hmmmmm, not a very good QB smokescreen, from what im seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, JoeF said: How do you know Brandon Beane is lying this time of year? His lips are moving... Ha. Sal was adamant Beane told him the Bills weren't pursuing a UFA QB a few hours before we signed McCarron, so I'm not even convinced we're done with free agency and are "100% focused on the draft." That being said, he might NOT be certain he's going to move up--he strikes me as a "game theory"(-ish) type of guy who may wait to see how it all plays out or jump if a team wants to move back and makes HIM an offer. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, Mrbojanglezs said: Ya but we are not in a position of power, we have a lot of picks and we want a qb, all the other teams know this. If they really like a guy at 2,3,4 they are going to want to get compensated, likely a lot more than the "value charts" The other teams have 1 team who can give them multiple picks this year, we have 3 teams to trade with (NY, Indy, Cleveland) so we do have some leverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Batman1876 said: The other teams have 1 team who can give them multiple picks this year, we have 3 teams to trade with (NY, Indy, Cleveland) so we do have some leverage. Thats true if all 3 teams are interested trading down we could play them off each other to get a smaller trade up package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman1876 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Thats true if all 3 teams are interested trading down we could play them off each other to get a smaller trade up package. They don't all need to be interested, one of them just has to think that the others are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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