Sal C’s “Dear Browns fans....” about Tyrod Taylor

[BillsFan130]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I still have a very high opinion of TT and I DO think he is a starting QB in the NFL....he is not a franchise guy.....he is a mid level starting QB that needs a ton of help in order to get it done....just like every other mid level starting QB.

 

I think the bills wanna take their stab this year and finding better.  I hope they get it.

Exactly.

 

You have a higher opinion of him unlike some others, but you understand he’s not a franchise guy.

 

Thats exactly what I’m trying to say and I think all of us whether we think he’s average or mediocre or awful , we all can agree he’s not a franchise guy and it’s time to move on.

Edited March 11, 2018 by billsfan11

[BadLandsMeanie]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

It was a combonation of that and a "certain few" and how they conducted themselves when he had a solid game (and yes he had those)

 

DIssappearing while it was happening

 

Returning when the euphoria of the a win was over to start the bashing up again

 

Or when we lost but Tyrod played sold (and yes it did happen) and in some way shape or form blame it on the qb

 

Get this straight my beloved fellow fans.....we can have Tom Brady behind center....if the rest of this team does not do its part we will still lose games......to blame everything on one position because that is the easiest thing to do is beyond stupid

 

Having said that.....he did not turn the corner.....the crit of him on missing open receivers....not throwing receiver open.....taking unecessary sacks.....not making the big throws when the game was on the line.......all valid.....and it is time to move on.

I didn't like Tyrod and I am very glad he is playing elsewhere now.

 

That being said I know he got blamed for things that were not his fault and by people who should know better. Like in the press.

 

A good example is Tyrod's last play as a Bill. Tyrod did not see the wide open receiver they said. 

 

I could see him on open on TV and on the film, but I was looking down from the sky. From Tyrod's point of view there were 2 linemen directly between him and the open guy and he just couldn't see the guy.

 

Then they said he made a bad choice to try and pick up the first himself.  But he made the right choice he would have made it except for 2 things.

 

One is he got facemasked when he started to run. This was not noticed.

 

The other is our guard Miller had actually pancaked his man. Which is what Tyrod saw. Then Miller got up, off of the top of his man who he had pinned to the ground, and that man then went and pile drived Tyrod into the turf and ended his season.

 

If Miller had not done that, Tyrod would have made it even with the facemask.

 

None of that was his fault but he got totally blamed for it by everybody.

Edited March 11, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie

[Real McClappy]

This Classic, it would be me and Transplant going back and forth.

 

YOU: “I can’t believe how many wide-open receivers Tyrod Taylor didn’t see or just refused to throw to. That cost us the game.”

FRIEND: “Dude, what are you talking about? He’s the only reason we were even in this game in the first place. He should have been sacked 10 times.”

YOU: “Umm, they had 150 yards passing. How do you expect to win like that in 2018? It’s a passing league.”

FRIEND: “Whatever, man. Guy didn’t turn the ball over at all. Maybe someone else on the offense could make a play once in a while?!”

YOU: “Do you even watch football, bro? How are they supposed to make a play if the damn quarterback won’t even get the ball to them? The wideouts had three total catches! Ridiculous.”

FRIEND: “Haha, ok, ‘Coach’ (in a totally snarky voice). You’re so smart maybe you should design an offense around his skill set, since Todd Haley clearly isn’t doing that.”

YOU: “So it’s everyone’s fault except the quarterback! Got it.”

FRIEND: “What do you want, man? Taylor is the best quarterback this organization has had since we came back in the league in 1999.”

YOU: “Right, because Tim Couch and Kelly Holcomb are such high bars to attain. I seriously can’t believe how dumb you are. By the way, I’m done. Not going to the game with you next week. I can’t stand to watch this 1970s passing attack anymore.”

FRIEND: “Cool. Sit home with your miserable self and play Madden. It’s so much easier that way.”

YOU: “Shut up, dude.”

FRIEND: “Screw you. Don’t tell me to shut up.”
 

**Fight ensues**

 

[BadLandsMeanie]

3 hours ago, grb said:

 

Two points :

• I'm amazed at people still fuming over Taylor's short, brief comment about black quarterbacks - made, of course, weeks before the bizarre & moronic decision to bench him for Peterman (a situation which Taylor handled with class). As for Taylor's comments, I personally think they're correct, that black QBs do have a smaller margin for error (at least to a degree) and are on a shorter leash. But even if I decide that's wrong - or disagree with Taylor over the extent - I would still find the anger over the comments strange. The man was in Buffalo for three years and represented the city extremely well, and yet people rage over that? Huh.
• As for Taylor never "turning the corner", really? Going from the end of '15 season, the Bills organization has dumped Hogan, dumped Goodwin, dumped Watkins, dumped Gillislee, dumped Woods, gave up on Karlos and Percy, saw their two main receivers miss well over half of '16 injured, saw their only two decent receivers play all of '17 injured, saw their o-line go from spotty to bad in pass protection, saw their o-line go from premier to so-so in the running game. That last development followed another useless scheme change, which dropped the Bills out of a league-leading running game. So Taylor never "turned the corner"? Go figure.

Here's what I know : During his Bills career, Taylor has had a pieced-together mess for receivers except the fifteen games of '15-'16 when he had Watkins and Woods on the field. That's it : Taylor, Watkins, and Woods played together just fifteen games over two years. 

 

When that happened, this occurred : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INT

 

 

I'm not going to go back and forth with you here. I will just correct something you wrote that is wrong, and be done.

 

It was a featured article in The Buffalo News. It wasn't a short brief comment.

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Is it though?  I have repeatedly heard certain TT detractors talk about nothing but the jags playoff loss when talking about TT....nothing to do with the fact that they actually made the playoffs.....

 

I mean....what is done is done and I agree with the bills mgt decision to move on but there are two sides to this arguement.

I don’t disagree with all of Badol’s points, just the Brady one, and wanted to bust his balls about it a little.

 

Tyrod took the Bills as far as he was capable. As a Bills fan, it’s difficult for many to be objective about Tyrod because we can be too emotionally invested - either in the team or our own opinions.

 

To me, it was clear Tyrod had maxed out his potential to lead the Bills.  But clearly he has talent - just not enough to lead a quasi-talented team around him to the Super Bowl.

 

Tyrod is equally thrilling and frustrating to watch. I’m grateful for his time here. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

it's almost like some here have never seen an all-22 film of receivers running wide open, repeatedly.

 

the blind leading the blind???

The last time that happened with Josh Gordon he stopped coming to practice and purposely ran the wrong routes in games to force picks and get the QB benched. 

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, grb said:

 

Two points :

• I'm amazed at people still fuming over Taylor's short, brief comment about black quarterbacks - made, of course, weeks before the bizarre & moronic decision to bench him for Peterman (a situation which Taylor handled with class). As for Taylor's comments, I personally think they're correct, that black QBs do have a smaller margin for error (at least to a degree) and are on a shorter leash. But even if I decide that's wrong - or disagree with Taylor over the extent - I would still find the anger over the comments strange. The man was in Buffalo for three years and represented the city extremely well, and yet people rage over that? Huh.
• As for Taylor never "turning the corner", really? Going from the end of '15 season, the Bills organization has dumped Hogan, dumped Goodwin, dumped Watkins, dumped Gillislee, dumped Woods, gave up on Karlos and Percy, saw their two main receivers miss well over half of '16 injured, saw their only two decent receivers play all of '17 injured, saw their o-line go from spotty to bad in pass protection, saw their o-line go from premier to so-so in the running game. That last development followed another useless scheme change, which dropped the Bills out of a league-leading running game. So Taylor never "turned the corner"? Go figure.

Here's what I know : During his Bills career, Taylor has had a pieced-together mess for receivers except the fifteen games of '15-'16 when he had Watkins and Woods on the field. That's it : Taylor, Watkins, and Woods played together just fifteen games over two years. 

 

When that happened, this occurred : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INT

 

 

 

Good post...and I'm someone who's glad the Bills moved on from Taylor.

 

Tyrod has/will have a nice pool of offensive talent around him in Cleveland, with the coaches to make it all work. 

 

We'll see if those stats hold up.

Edited March 11, 2018 by Chicken Boo

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Kinda reminds me how foxnews still has a Hillary article every other day.  

 

stop making sense dude.  these mental baskets will gang up on you like facebook trolls. 

 

Tyrod deserves better than Buffalo fans.  May he find some peace in CLE. 

 

 

Sal totally embarrassed himself this year with his Tyrophobia.

 

He got his wish with Peterman...........and with a QUICKNESS his credibility as "the coach" got splattered that day in LA........and being THAT wrong really sticks in his craw............as it does with a whole bunch of idiots on this board.

 

Tell it like it is Sal..........the HC passed on a potential franchise QB in round 1 last spring.......knowing TT's limitations........and didn't put TT into position to succeed at what he CAN do well.

 

Choices were made well above the head of TT which lead to the product you saw on the field.

 

Why don't you call McD out if you are so upset with what lead to the Bills first playoff appearance this century?

 

I think we know the answer to that.........doesn't want to lose his jock-sniffing radio sideline reporter gig. 

 

If I am a player in that locker room who liked TT.........and there are a lot of them..........I'd be highly offended by that unnecessary shot from a guy who has been given a whole lotta' access in recent years.........leave that stuff for the guy who is hired to do it......Jerry Sullivan. 

[HappyDays]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The last time that happened with Josh Gordon he stopped coming to practice and purposely ran the wrong routes in games to force picks and get the QB benched. 

 

If he purposefully ran wrong routes wouldn't the coaches know it wasn't the QB's fault?

[BADOLBILZ]

32 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The last time that happened with Josh Gordon he stopped coming to practice and purposely ran the wrong routes in games to force picks and get the QB benched. 

 

 

So can we put you on record that TT is not a fit with Josh Gordon?

 

C'mon now........TT and JG are gonna' be fast friends if JG can get himself on the field...........as Steve Smith would say......"why even put that out there?"

[Kwai San]

I wonder how much Landry 'appreciates" the signing RIGHT after his?  Throw me the damn ball!

[MarkAF43]

I saw Sal today at the Strong museum. He walked up to me saw me in my K.Williams jersey and said absolutely nothing. Then I realized he was walking to someone behind me. Man I felt dumb. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

Yours are the only posts I can guess the author without even reading them.  The emojis give it away. 

 

That being said, comparing Brady’s inability to score on his last two drives in the Super Bowl to Tyrod’s lack of comeback drives is utterly ridiculous.   Step it up.  

 

Here ya' go......emoji's off.

 

It's all entertainment to me.........the emoji's are there because I have been accused of being "snarky"...........since I've incorporated them I've found people are less injured by them.

 

But always good to hear from newbies.

 

The Brady example was there to show just HOW EASY it is to take things out of perspective.........because generally speaking........teams with leads late in games usually win.........it's not a given that a good QB will overcome even a small deficit.

 

What was that Aaron Rodgers stat?  Something like a 1-30 record when trailing by 1 point or more to start the 4th quarter to a team with a winning record?

 

What that tells you is that when playing decent teams it's very difficult to come from behind in the 4th quarter.

 

Now put that in the context of Tyrod in Buffalo.    Who are all the lesser teams that he couldn't overcome in 4th quarters?

 

Part of the reason the outside perception that "Tyrod is terrible in the clutch" doesn't fly with league observers is because people EXPECT you to lose on the road against a superior Carolina team.........they aren't surprised when the Bills lose to better or more talented teams.

 

And then they see TT go on the road and QB his team to victory over much better teams than them..........like Atlanta and KC.

 

It just boils down to a lack of perspective from certain Bills fans and myopic observers.   

[Agent 91]

9 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

Wow look at this from Bucky Brooks. He compares Tyrod to Brady and Rodgers.

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000920486/Bucky-Brooks-explains-how-Tyrod-Taylor-trade-changes-Browns-draft-approach

This dude is every bit as good a football analyst as he was a Buffalo Bills player. I wipe my butt with his s*** articles and crap takes. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, grb said:

 

Two points :

• I'm amazed at people still fuming over Taylor's short, brief comment about black quarterbacks - made, of course, weeks before the bizarre & moronic decision to bench him for Peterman (a situation which Taylor handled with class). As for Taylor's comments, I personally think they're correct, that black QBs do have a smaller margin for error (at least to a degree) and are on a shorter leash. But even if I decide that's wrong - or disagree with Taylor over the extent - I would still find the anger over the comments strange. The man was in Buffalo for three years and represented the city extremely well, and yet people rage over that? Huh.
• As for Taylor never "turning the corner", really? Going from the end of '15 season, the Bills organization has dumped Hogan, dumped Goodwin, dumped Watkins, dumped Gillislee, dumped Woods, gave up on Karlos and Percy, saw their two main receivers miss well over half of '16 injured, saw their only two decent receivers play all of '17 injured, saw their o-line go from spotty to bad in pass protection, saw their o-line go from premier to so-so in the running game. That last development followed another useless scheme change, which dropped the Bills out of a league-leading running game. So Taylor never "turned the corner"? Go figure.

Here's what I know : During his Bills career, Taylor has had a pieced-together mess for receivers except the fifteen games of '15-'16 when he had Watkins and Woods on the field. That's it : Taylor, Watkins, and Woods played together just fifteen games over two years. 

 

When that happened, this occurred : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INT

 

 

 

 

Badlands is dead wrong on the assertion that people were trying to defend their opinion that TT would "turn the corner".

 

This is a common myth perpetuated by Tyrophobes to justify their persistently loud complaining (which did them no good at all because the new regime kept TT in 2017).

 

I saw NOBODY on here the past couple of years who thought TT was going to become an elite/franchise QB.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

This dude is every bit as good a football analyst as he was a Buffalo Bills player. I wipe my butt with his s*** articles and crap takes. 

 

He didn't equate Taylor to Rodgers and Brady.

 

I think the Browns should absolutely take a QB with one of their first two picks...............but I will say this:

 

Barkley at RB

Gordon, Coleman and T Pryor outside the numbers and Landry in the slot.

 

Potentially great scenario for TT.

 

My 2015 comparison for how to maximize TT was do something like what Dennis Green did in Minnesota with Cunningham and Culpepper.

 

People forget that the 1998 Vikings were the highest scoring offense in NFL history until TB's 18-1 Pats team.........or that Culpepper once threw for 39 TD's with that talent.

 

Long term you need a franchise QB but offensive success is not only for teams with franchise QB's.

Edited March 11, 2018 by BADOLBILZ

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Here ya' go......emoji's off.

It doesn’t matter.  On or off Taylor still wasn’t the answer and we have undeniable proof.   

 

Just as I have been saying.   Let it go.  

[blacklabel]

This board did vote Sal as their favorite local sportswriter. I tweeted that to him a while back, he was unaware (of the contest) but he knew of TBD and was stoked to hear that we voted him as the top guy. 

 

He's a good, fair writer/reporter. This article accurately sums up how Bills fans felt about Tyrod during his time here. 

 

IMO, Tyrod is a consummate professional. Bills weren't all that good to him last season and he was still first in/last out. He most certainly has the work ethic to succeed in the most ideal circumstances (i.e. a super talented team around him) which isn't Cleveland but I'll still check in on how he does this season from time to time. 

Edited March 11, 2018 by blacklabel

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

If he purposefully ran wrong routes wouldn't the coaches know it wasn't the QB's fault?

It was Hoyer. There was pressure from Haslam to play manzeil.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The last time that happened with Josh Gordon he stopped coming to practice and purposely ran the wrong routes in games to force picks and get the QB benched. 

 

How do we know that was anything purposeful Gordon did, as opposed to just f*cking up because he was drunk and on drugs?

[YoloinOhio]

30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How do we know that was anything purposeful Gordon did, as opposed to just f*cking up because he was drunk and on drugs?

He admitted it 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He admitted it 

 

He skipped practice and ran wrong routes.  He also admitted he came to work drugged and drunk.

 

I hope he's straight and he stays straight, but how to put it nicely?  When guys screw up cuz they're impaired, they sometimes tend to rationalize what they did under the influence.  Do you accept what he says about it as factual?

Edited March 11, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[JohnC]

I've been liberated. With the trade Alphadog and his crew will no longer call me a hater. 

[GrizzReaper]

I believe Taylor gave us his best every game he played here. Seemed to be a good guy both on and off the field. Never had any locker room issues... The guy sat behind Flacco all those years came here and won his QB competitions. He handled being benched for a rookie with class. QBed the first Bills team to make the playoffs in forever. He was by far the best QB we've had in Buffalo since Kelly... 

 

Sure he had his limits. The missed open guys and all that... All QBs have their limitations.  I guess I don't get why anyone would feel the need to take a jab at the guy as he's moving on to his new team. He gave us his best and conducted himself like a true professional during his time as the Bills QB. So what if we argued about him... We argue about everything. We will be arguing about the next QB too. That's what we do.

 

I don't see why Sal even bothered to write that up. I suppose that's his job. I don't get it... I haven't seen Taylor dogging the Bills anywhere since this trade was announced. I think showing the guy some respect on his way out of town is the least we could do. 

 

Tyrod, thanks for what you did for us here in Buffalo and I'm wishing you the best of luck in Cleveland and beyond. 

Edited March 12, 2018 by GrizzReaper

[Ol Dirty B]

20 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I think most of the Tyrod fighting was rooted in  people wanting to defend their predictions that Tyrod would turn the corner. So when he didn't play up to them they had to turn to explanations why they were still right. And I think Tyrod saying it was because he is black didn't help.

 

Oh well we are on a new chapter and I wish the Browns good luck!

 

 

 

So much of this post is just wrong on so many levels. You're simple. I'm convinced of it. 

19 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

You might want to let go of that. We are talking about the present and future.

 

And you're taking Tyrod quotes out of context from August... Weird you'd be the one to talk about present and future. Nothing that you've said has to do with on field performance. 

16 hours ago, grb said:

 

Two points :

• I'm amazed at people still fuming over Taylor's short, brief comment about black quarterbacks - made, of course, weeks before the bizarre & moronic decision to bench him for Peterman (a situation which Taylor handled with class). As for Taylor's comments, I personally think they're correct, that black QBs do have a smaller margin for error (at least to a degree) and are on a shorter leash. But even if I decide that's wrong - or disagree with Taylor over the extent - I would still find the anger over the comments strange. The man was in Buffalo for three years and represented the city extremely well, and yet people rage over that? Huh.
• As for Taylor never "turning the corner", really? Going from the end of '15 season, the Bills organization has dumped Hogan, dumped Goodwin, dumped Watkins, dumped Gillislee, dumped Woods, gave up on Karlos and Percy, saw their two main receivers miss well over half of '16 injured, saw their only two decent receivers play all of '17 injured, saw their o-line go from spotty to bad in pass protection, saw their o-line go from premier to so-so in the running game. That last development followed another useless scheme change, which dropped the Bills out of a league-leading running game. So Taylor never "turned the corner"? Go figure.

Here's what I know : During his Bills career, Taylor has had a pieced-together mess for receivers except the fifteen games of '15-'16 when he had Watkins and Woods on the field. That's it : Taylor, Watkins, and Woods played together just fifteen games over two years. 

 

When that happened, this occurred : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INT

 

 

 

BadLands has solidified himself as a grade A, old ass idiot with his posts. You wasted your time, he'll never respect the point and keep bringing up irrelevant points. Those Tyrod quotes were way before the LA game, and he even went in after McDermott created the mess. The guy was class. He's not a franchise QB, but he's a good guy, and the way that poster casts Tyrod is moronic. 

[Ol Dirty B]

16 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I was no different with Taylor than I was with JP, EJ, Fitz, Edwards and even Orton. I knew very early that we had no chance of winning a Super Bowl with any of those QB's and I wanted them all gone. Taylor was just so frustrating because he had the QBR numbers that people would blindly use to justify him being a good QB. 

 

And nobody did that with the other QB's? Fitz and Edwards were touted as early season MVP contender for a season each, and some of you clowns loved Orton. EJ was held onto as the future for 3 or 4 years. 

14 hours ago, Foxx said:

it's almost like some here have never seen an all-22 film of receivers running wide open, repeatedly.

 

the blind leading the blind???

 

I like how this has been the new convenient thing to do...

 

Where you watching your all 22 film at bra?

 

You paying for it?

13 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

I'm not going to go back and forth with you here. I will just correct something you wrote that is wrong, and be done.

 

It was a featured article in The Buffalo News. It wasn't a short brief comment.

 

It was in August... and nothing he said was wrong... I'd love to go back and forth with you on it

[atlbillsfan1975]

This is a great letter. The fact that it sums up the last three years shows exactly the issue. Tyrod’s game never evolved from his first game to his last. We may never know exactly why Tyrod played the same type of game for three years. The reasons can range from coaching changes, players lost,  to Tyrod not being able to develope. It was a time for a change for Tyrod, Buffalo, and Cleveland. 

[Thurman#1]

19 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Browns will draft a top rookie QB so I don't really see this message from Sal as relevant. We had Taylor and nobody else at the position. Browns will have Taylor and a future franchise QB. That makes things look a lot greener. The moment Taylor's shine starts to where off they just put the rookie or second year QB in. But it very well may take a while for that shine to wear off because we are talking about the Browns here. The only team more starved for a franchise QB than we are. We held onto guys like Fitz and Taylor for too long because we loved their flashes of greatness and overall average QB play. Assuming Taylor plays like he did over the three years he was here with us. Browns fans will love Taylor at least for year one.

 

 

Yeah, they might easily really love him in Year One. Which is why I give it till Week 8 before we see the first big wave of "Why doesn't this idiot OC change the playbook to take advantage of Tyrod's strengths" criticism.

 

I honestly hope I'm wrong and that it works out well for all involved, but that's what I would expect.

[WideRightRevenge]

I read the article and laughed out loud many times .. the Couch / Holcumb bar reference was priceless .. great work Sal!!!!

[Thurman#1]

17 hours ago, grb said:

 

Two points :

• I'm amazed at people still fuming over Taylor's short, brief comment about black quarterbacks - made, of course, weeks before the bizarre & moronic decision to bench him for Peterman (a situation which Taylor handled with class). As for Taylor's comments, I personally think they're correct, that black QBs do have a smaller margin for error (at least to a degree) and are on a shorter leash. But even if I decide that's wrong - or disagree with Taylor over the extent - I would still find the anger over the comments strange. The man was in Buffalo for three years and represented the city extremely well, and yet people rage over that? Huh.
• As for Taylor never "turning the corner", really? Going from the end of '15 season, the Bills organization has dumped Hogan, dumped Goodwin, dumped Watkins, dumped Gillislee, dumped Woods, gave up on Karlos and Percy, saw their two main receivers miss well over half of '16 injured, saw their only two decent receivers play all of '17 injured, saw their o-line go from spotty to bad in pass protection, saw their o-line go from premier to so-so in the running game. That last development followed another useless scheme change, which dropped the Bills out of a league-leading running game. So Taylor never "turned the corner"? Go figure.

Here's what I know : During his Bills career, Taylor has had a pieced-together mess for receivers except the fifteen games of '15-'16 when he had Watkins and Woods on the field. That's it : Taylor, Watkins, and Woods played together just fifteen games over two years. 

 

When that happened, this occurred : 63.6% comp. 8.25 YPA. 27 TD passes. 6 INT

 

 

 

 

 

Yes he had great numbers in those games, but again, 10 of the 15 of those games happened in the first year Tyrod played, before teams had fully figured out how to defense him. The six games from the second year, 2016, were against these teams: Indy and the Pats in weeks 1 and 2, and Pitt, Cleveland, and Miami in weeks 13 -16. And those were not exactly a bunch of great pass defenses. They were the 27th, 12th, 16th, 21st and 15th ranked in pass defense, average and below. 

 

More, it wasn't as if with Woods and Watkins there Tyrod was throwing to them. In those five  2016 games Woods and Watkins combined had one game over 54 yards, Sammy's very good Miami game. And two TDs between them. It was more about bad defenses than Watkins and Woods being there. Being specific, adding their stats together, Sammy and Woods managed 28 receptions, 388 yards and 2 TDs. Over five games. An average of 5.6 receptions per game, 77 yards and 0.4 TDs per game. Not for one of them. For both of them added together. That's the wildly productive catch machines that Tyrod made of Sammy and Woods in their five games together in 2016.

 

Those total stats you are referring to were mostly built (2/3rds of the games) during that first year.

 

So yeah, the receivers were overall not good. But he was throwing to excellent pass-catching backs and a guy who before he got to Buffalo and caught balls from Tyrod was considered one of the better pass-catching TEs in the league, though strangely his forte was catching balls in the intermediate and long middle and he mostly disappeared the last three years.

 

It's extremely fair to say that not all of this mess that was the passing game was Tyrod's fault. But a lot of it was, and that's why they wanted him gone. 

 

I wish him the absolute best, honestly, but I'm really happy he's gone. Now we have to replace him but I'll at least have some hope for the new guy, whoever he is.

[Teddy KGB]

22 hours ago, HappyDays said:

I actually think Cleveland fans will have a more positive opinion of him. They've gone 1-31 with truly awful QB play. There haven't been any bright spots so Tyrod will give them that. And they know he's just a placeholder for their franchise QB.

 

He will pass for 100 yards and the doggpound will throw bones at him 

20 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Mr. Miyagi had to have one parting shot at the QB that made him look like an idiot in 2017.

 

Sal........the NFL is changing gramps........see what Philly did with Foles and Houston did with Watson......HISTORIC......and to a lesser historical scale but also impressively what ANTHONY LYNN did with Buffalo in 2016 in putting the best Bills offense in a quarter-century on the field........teams actually are adjusting their offenses to fit their QB strengths.

 

And just an awful read as well.........NOBODY cares about your first two paragraphs.............and the hypothetical "Tyrod loses the game in the 4th quarter" scenario is mostly fiction since those situations rarely happened.  

 

But yeah, the All-22 stuff being analyzed by dummies was a divisive factor........but what you are missing in BOTH of these cases is perspective.

 

What do other QB's All-22's look like?   Do statistics show that good QB's are always bringing their teams back from deficits against equally matched or better opponents?

 

I'll help you........other effective QB's miss wide open receivers and NO.....good QB's aren't regularly marching their teams back from 4th quarter deficits.

 

Are Matt Ryan and Alex Smith garbage because they threw brutal-looking, game-ending interceptions on their final drives in games against much less talented the Bills teams this year?   

 

Tom Brady was moving the ball up and down the field at will in the SB but couldn't get his last 2 drives past midfield at the end........I guess he's done (or maybe the other team had something to do with that?).

 

Go to school this offseason Sal.........your performance was garbage this year.......re-watch what Houston and Philly did.......even LA Rams where the HC was calling plays for his QB at the LOS......and maybe even actually watch some college football........then perhaps you will be able to get a better perspective on the NFL landscape.

 

 

 

 

17-37 130 yards = he really really sucks 

20 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

Kinda reminds me how foxnews still has a Hillary article every other day.  

 

stop making sense dude.  these mental baskets will gang up on you like facebook trolls. 

 

Tyrod deserves better than Buffalo fans.  May he find some peace in CLE. 

 

Bills fans deserve more than 3 points from a scrub qb.  

3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So much of this post is just wrong on so many levels. You're simple. I'm convinced of it. 

 

And you're taking Tyrod quotes out of context from August... Weird you'd be the one to talk about present and future. Nothing that you've said has to do with on field performance. 

 

BadLands has solidified himself as a grade A, old ass idiot with his posts. You wasted your time, he'll never respect the point and keep bringing up irrelevant points. Those Tyrod quotes were way before the LA game, and he even went in after McDermott created the mess. The guy was class. He's not a franchise QB, but he's a good guy, and the way that poster casts Tyrod is moronic. 

 

Badlands is awesome.     Tyrod apologists who attack others because they have low standards or brains full of excuses are not so awesome.  

 

2799 yards 14 tds.     You guys should pay better attention, Tyrod was awful. 

 

We passed for more yards than ONE other team.  

 

Thats is a big fail, don’t @ me.     My excuse book is full.   

Edited March 12, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[HappyDays]

14 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

He will pass for 100 yards

 

Dude this is a Tyrod thread, we all know you love Trubisky but keep him out of this

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Dude this is a Tyrod thread, we all know you love Trubisky but keep him out of this

 

Should have said sub 100 yards.   My bad.  

[BadLandsMeanie]

4 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So much of this post is just wrong on so many levels. You're simple. I'm convinced of it. 

 

And you're taking Tyrod quotes out of context from August... Weird you'd be the one to talk about present and future. Nothing that you've said has to do with on field performance. 

 

BadLands has solidified himself as a grade A, old ass idiot with his posts. You wasted your time, he'll never respect the point and keep bringing up irrelevant points. Those Tyrod quotes were way before the LA game, and he even went in after McDermott created the mess. The guy was class. He's not a franchise QB, but he's a good guy, and the way that poster casts Tyrod is moronic. 

 

 

Someone has a crush on me! 

 

It's usually always been girls before.

 

But it has been so long since it happened, I'll take it! What kind of candy do you like?

[Socal-805]

On ‎3‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 5:36 AM, BadLandsMeanie said:

I think most of the Tyrod fighting was rooted in  people wanting to defend their predictions that Tyrod would turn the corner. So when he didn't play up to them they had to turn to explanations why they were still right. And I think Tyrod saying it was because he is black didn't help.

 

Oh well we are on a new chapter and I wish the Browns good luck!

 

 

 

I wonder if he will play that card again in Cleveland?

 

 

[DasNootz]

Tyrod will be a good fit for Cleveland.  He provides stability at the position and doesn't turn the ball over, by all accounts he's a good clubhouse guy, and his elusiveness can help mask line issues. His limitations would prevent us to get to the next level... but for a team that has won only one game in the last last two seasons, he makes perfect sense as a bridge while they develop a rookie this year.

[Thurman#1]

41 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

I read the article and laughed out loud many times .. the Couch / Holcumb bar reference was priceless .. great work Sal!!!!

 

 

Yup, that was so right on target.

[corta765]

On 3/11/2018 at 10:05 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

He basically described the last 2 years on TBD in a few hundred words.

 

He did more in a few hundred words then the hundreds of threads devoted to Tyrod lol

[YoloinOhio]

CBus radio: acknowledges that Tyrod is “better” than Kizer but think “much better” is a stretch and won’t commit to that 

[Punching Bag]

Too bad Sal was not included in trade even if we had to give up a conditional 7th round pick from 2019 as well.