Some team at the combine asked a player if he is gay

[The Now Moment]

15 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

are people that dense that they dont understand why these questions are asked?

 

TO GAUGE THEIR REACTION, DO THEY FREAK OUT ON THE ASKER? DO THEY KEEP THEIR COMPOSITION WHEN PRESSED ON A SENSITIVE SUBJECT? 

 

Jesus people, really? 

Pick something else to ask.  That is such a dated series of questions.  You can get the reactions you want from other questions, these are not acceptable nowadays.  Asking those questions for a football player...absolutely no need for it.  

[teef]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm starting to like you.  Not as much as Jauronimo, but you have your points.

now i'm hurt that you didn't like me before.  not as hurt as if someone asked me if i was gay or if my mom was a hooker, but hurt.

[HappyDays]

17 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

are people that dense that they dont understand why these questions are asked?

 

TO GAUGE THEIR REACTION, DO THEY FREAK OUT ON THE ASKER? DO THEY KEEP THEIR COMPOSITION WHEN PRESSED ON A SENSITIVE SUBJECT? 

 

Jesus people, really? 

 

Do you think NFL teams are actually going to make a decision about a player based on how he responds to a dumb question? Come to think of it the average NFL front office is incredibly dumb and it wouldn't surprise me if some team actually thinks this matters.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

dad bod,

Watch it pal.

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

I hope it comes out at least which team it was and I hope to God it wasn't the Bills (which I doubt it was given the coach and front office)

[elltrain22]

Football is not just business, but BIG, BIG business. Any question, that helps a GM/team understand a player more is fair game. IMHO, the fact that Guice is so sensative about this line of question, to me, is a kinda of a red flag. 

[Gugny]

I think it's inappropriate to ask those questions.

 

I also think it was stupid for the player to run to the media (bad sign).

 

Lastly, I wonder if his mom is hot.

 

 

UPDATE:  No ... she is not hot.  And if she is a prostitute, my guess is that she is broke.  And her name is Beulah.

 

Beulah?  Beulah?  Anyone ... anyone?

Edited March 8, 2018 by Gugny
UPDATE

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

I actually disagree... I think it has quite a bit to do with team dynamic, media coverage, overall personality, etc... Whether or not it's ethical, I definitely see why teams ask the question. 

Look at what happened with Michael Sam. It was a media circus. Imagine as a team you invest a 1st round pick in a guy and then that comes out and you have a huge distraction to deal with. I think the reason it's easy to say "how dare they ask that question" is because we assume they're asking due to their own personal bias (which could be the case), as opposed to asking in order to know all the angles of a person who they have to give an honest evaluation of. 

 

I'm not saying these two examples are the same, but imagine if they were to ask Jameis Winston about the rape accusation. We wouldn't think that was out of line because it is something that they potentially have to deal with later. The same is here (minus the negativity and criminality of course), they're covering bases as it is their job to do so. Just like I am sure Josh Rosen was asked all about his rich family. 

If they don’t know if they are gay or not they need to do more research. It has nothing to do with learning if they are gay. They know everything about these prospects. It’s about trying to get a rise out of them. There is no place for that line of questioning in a professional setting.

 

The Jameis question is different because it was out there. It says a lot about the person. If Guice responded “yes” to being gay or having a prostitute mother what changes for the team?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

16 minutes ago, teef said:

not me.  i go straight for the real questions.  

 

teef:  hi...it's nice to meet you.  i'm teef.

interviewee...hi.  nice to meet you.

teef:  so...have you ever felt another man's testicles on your backside, or does you're mother accept money in return for sexual favors?

 

just get it all out there.  ya know?

You can joke about it, which is fine. The world has become too sensitive about everything. 

[PaattMaann]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you think NFL teams are actually going to make a decision about a player based on how he responds to a dumb question? Come to think of it the average NFL front office is incredibly dumb and it wouldn't surprise me if some team actually thinks this matters.

 

it could certainly help factor into a decision about a questionable player, are they easily unhinged? 

 

I don't understand why some on this board cannot comprehend how a players response to something like this reveals a glimpse into someones character or attitude/makeup 

[SmokinES3]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

I think it's inappropriate to ask those questions.

 

I also think it was stupid for the player to run to the media (bad sign).

 

Lastly, I wonder if his mom is hot.

Completely agree with the first 2 thoughts lol... 

Public or not, those questions are none of any employers concern.

Edited March 8, 2018 by SmokinES3

[whatdrought]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If they don’t know if they are gay or not they need to do more research. It has nothing to do with learning if they are gay. They know everything about these prospects. It’s about trying to get a rise out of them. There is no place for that line of questioning in a professional setting.

 

The Jameis question is different because it was out there. It says a lot about the person. If Guice responded “yes” to being gay or having a prostitute mother what changes for the team?

 

Well (and I have no idea about Guice being gay or not) if he doesn't answer, or lies, or is cagey about it, doesn't that say something about where he's at? I understand that it's a fine line to tread (and I really don't know the legality of such a question in such a context) but it isn't like sexual orientation is an isolated part of a person's life that affects no other arena... It's important to know how that affects him as a person, and how it will affect the team around him. 

 

Well, we have yet to see an openly gay nfl player succeed in the NFL. I think it's definitely a thing that a team would need to talk about. Now, If you can prove that said team chose not to draft him because he said he is gay, then that's a different thing. 

[teef]

2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said:

You can joke about it, which is fine. The world has become too sensitive about everything. 

that's honestly how i go about dialogue.  i have trouble making friends.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

SMH.  Do you understand the difference between fans, and potential employers?

I don't know about you but I don't receive hate mail at my job.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If they don’t know if they are gay or not they need to do more research. It has nothing to do with learning if they are gay. They know everything about these prospects. It’s about trying to get a rise out of them. There is no place for that line of questioning in a professional setting.

 

The Jameis question is different because it was out there. It says a lot about the person. If Guice responded “yes” to being gay or having a prostitute mother what changes for the team?

 

Yea the Jameis accusation was about a potential criminal offense too.  Being gay is not a criminal offense.  

 

I am an atheist and don't really make any secret of the fact but if someone asked me in a job interview about my religious views I'd refuse to answer as well.  Religion, sexuality, politics, my parents sexual history.... none of it is relevant or appropriate in a job interview.  I wouldn't answer any of those questions.  

[whatdrought]

 

 

Not sure how "settle a bet" helps... 

[ALLEN1QB]

These teams are investing a lot of money in a player they need to know how they will react to certain situations had to go through the same thing when I entered the military years ago talking about your mother Etc

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

but it isn't like sexual orientation is an isolated part of a person's life that affects no other arena... It's important to know how that affects him as a person, and how it will affect the team around him.

 

Why isn't it.  Nobody I work with knows anything about my sex life, my dating life or anything else that is frankly none of their business.  

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Well (and I have no idea about Guice being gay or not) if he doesn't answer, or lies, or is cagey about it, doesn't that say something about where he's at? I understand that it's a fine line to tread (and I really don't know the legality of such a question in such a context) but it isn't like sexual orientation is an isolated part of a person's life that affects no other arena... It's important to know how that affects him as a person, and how it will affect the team around him. 

 

Well, we have yet to see an openly gay nfl player succeed in the NFL. I think it's definitely a thing that a team would need to talk about. Now, If you can prove that said team chose not to draft him because he said he is gay, then that's a different thing. 

These teams know the grades these guys got on a 7th grade spelling test. If they don’t know their sexual orientation by the combine the entire scouting department should be fired. They aren’t learning about guys at the combine. 

[Gugny]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the Jameis accusation was about a potential criminal offense too.  Being gay is not a criminal offense.  

 

I am an atheist and don't really make any secret of the fact but if someone asked me in a job interview about my religious views I'd refuse to answer as well.  Religion, sexuality, politics, my parents sexual history.... none of it is relevant or appropriate in a job interview.  I wouldn't answer any of those questions.  

 

This is exactly what the player's response should contain.  Perhaps that's what the team is looking for.  Staying focused, staying on topic and staying cool.  He should have said something like, "I don't know what these questions, or their answers, have to do with how well I'll do in the NFL, sir."

[Boatdrinks]

42 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

These are the same lines of questions our own police force uses as a way to see how you react out in the field. The psychological exam for State Trooper would ask you far worse questions than these.

True. However, a trooper's psychological makeup and reaction in a crisis/ life or death situation might be just a tad more important than what takes place on a football field. Might be a bit of a double standard, but I understand it. 

[whatdrought]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Why isn't it.  Nobody I work with knows anything about my sex life, my dating life or anything else that is frankly none of their business.  

 

Ask Michael Sam. Ask the media that overhyped that situation. I am saying this: What a person chooses to do in their free time is their own choice. But it's part of who they are. It's a part of the person that comes to work (whether or not it affects their job directly). If a team wants to get a whole picture of Darius Guice the person, that factors in. 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Why isn't it.  Nobody I work with knows anything about my sex life, my dating life or anything else that is frankly none of their business.  

 

From the things you say in the Shoutbox, you seem like you'll !@#$ anything with a hole as long as you get a place to sleep.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

These teams know the grades these guys got on a 7th grade spelling test. If they don’t know their sexual orientation by the combine the entire scouting department should be fired. They aren’t learning about guys at the combine. 

 

But with that logic, why ask any questions? 

[Bill from NYC]

53 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Remnants of the Neanderthal faction still in existence. If a person hasn't learned to adapt to the modern world and know what is appropriate or not at this point then they will never. 

I don't think that one should say anything to any other person without checking in with Hillary Clinton and the New World Order to make sure that its politically correct. And I don't care if the kid is going to receive 20 million dollars or so in a month or 2. What's right is right!

Edited March 8, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I love how people act shocked and offended over someone asking if they are gay. Read twitter. Read YouTube comments. Most people here couldn't last one day with the type of abuse fans give players on Twitter. Even reporters receive abuse. 

 

Maybe fans should stick to sports. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Ask Michael Sam. Ask the media that overhyped that situation. I am saying this: What a person chooses to do in their free time is their own choice. But it's part of who they are. It's a part of the person that comes to work (whether or not it affects their job directly). If a team wants to get a whole picture of Darius Guice the person, that factors in. 

 

It had zero to do with Michael Sam being on a team or not though did it?  A person's sex life is absolutely ZERO to do with their employer.  

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

But with that logic, why ask any questions? 

To get familiar with their personalities

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the Jameis accusation was about a potential criminal offense too.  Being gay is not a criminal offense.  

 

I am an atheist and don't really make any secret of the fact but if someone asked me in a job interview about my religious views I'd refuse to answer as well.  Religion, sexuality, politics, my parents sexual history.... none of it is relevant or appropriate in a job interview.  I wouldn't answer any of those questions.  

 

And I didn't say it was. But it's something that was going to come up and the teams wanted to know about before paying the guy millions of dollars. 

 

I'm not sure (and I could be wrong) that you can even consider that a job interview.

[GunnerBill]

Just now, TheTruthHurts said:

I love how people act shocked and offended over someone asking if they are gay. Read twitter. Read YouTube comments. Most people here couldn't last one day with the type of abuse fans give players on Twitter. Even reporters receive abuse. 

 

Maybe fans should stick to sports. 

 

If don't do social media in any sense and I certainly wouldn't if I was a prominent public figure. I don't see how that abuse which is totally and entirely unacceptable somehow justifies teams asking questions about a person's sex life, or their mother's sexual history?  

[DC Tom]

Um...who cares?  Are we caring whether people are gay or straight?  The question should be given as much attention as "Do you brush your teeth once or twice a day?"

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It had zero to do with Michael Sam being on a team or not though did it?  A person's sex life is absolutely ZERO to do with their employer.  

 

I mean, I think there's still cause to question whether or not Sam would have gotten drafted otherwise (though that's another question entirely). But it affected the whole team... He became the most hyped player in the draft and it carried over into training camp. I am not saying it should be treated negatively, but it does matter. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

These teams know the grades these guys got on a 7th grade spelling test. If they don’t know their sexual orientation by the combine the entire scouting department should be fired. They aren’t learning about guys at the combine. 

They aren't asking because they want to know, they are asking to see the response because teams know fans say the worst things to players. Even other players will try to get under their skin. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

And I didn't say it was. But it's something that was going to come up and the teams wanted to know about before paying the guy millions of dollars. 

 

I'm not sure (and I could be wrong) that you can even consider that a job interview.

 

You are right that I don't think legally it is a "job interview" that would need to be tested by the courts if someone genuinely felt that had been unlawfully discriminated against.  Teams might "want to know it" but they have no right to know it and frankly no right to ask it.  I would not be shy in letting them know that.  I refused to answer a question once in an interview about my relationship status.  It has nothing to do with the employer.  

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

To get familiar with their personalities

 

So how come some questions are okay for that and others aren't? 

[Toledo Bill]

When asked that question (homosexual) in the movie "Stripes"... Harold Ramis... "No, but we would be willing to learn".

[Westside Madness]

Any time I feel the need to vomit a little in my mouth, all I need to do is fine a thread on here that involves any social issue. It really does feel like a time warp to the 50/60s when I read these threads, whether sexual orientation, race, protesting, religious freedoms, etc. I think what's the most shocking is how much of a stark contrast it is to any other online forums I read. High level meeting @ 12, take care.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I think questions that are sensitive should be fair game. NFL players are public figures and will experience much worse as a player. How they respond should be important. 

 

Why does your sexual orientation or what your mother does for work matter to how well you play football?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

I mean, I think there's still cause to question whether or not Sam would have gotten drafted otherwise (though that's another question entirely). But it affected the whole team... He became the most hyped player in the draft and it carried over into training camp. I am not saying it should be treated negatively, but it does matter. 

 

But it didn't affect the team. He played a few pre-season games, got more attention than your typical 7th round pick, and then got cut.  It doesn't matter. Not a jot.