Ramza86 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Does it mean hes gone? Do we need to have both? Did we have any rotational guys do well in EJ's absence? I remember there was one guy out there last year that was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I’ll go with bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Yea hes gone. Nice player but hes hurt an awful lot to sign the deal that hes gonna get on the open market. I really like to davis signing. The guy is a great tackler and play press if needed. He will thrive in Mcdermotts system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 The Davis signing was smart on multiple levels. If he’s healthy and has some gas left in the tank he can play at an elite level. Also gives leverage for Buffalo with Gaines as they don’t “need” him as badly now. Of course they could use him, but they now have 2 starting caliber corners and can have more flexibility with who they HAVE to sign at corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wsam4031 said: Yea hes gone. Nice player but hes hurt an awful lot to sign the deal that hes gonna get on the open market. I really like to davis signing. The guy is a great tackler and play press if needed. He will thrive in Mcdermotts system Well lets not forget about Vontae's injury last year. To be honest, id rather have both on the team unless the Bills will pursue something else this offseason/draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Does it mean hes gone? Do we need to have both? Did we have any rotational guys do well in EJ's absence? I remember there was one guy out there last year that was horrible. It just means they aren't letting Gaines hold them over a barrel. It's smart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 It’s easy to say Gaines will be gone. But you never know. He might like McD zone heavy scheme. His injury history may make the market for him less than he or his agent thinks. Not sure if they can, but he would be a guy to place transition tag on. He is good enough to want to keep, but if a team signs him to big dollars it is an easy decision to let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) E.J. Gaines is GONE. There were rumblings that he was going to leave here as soon as his contract was up. Tre White even implied as much on Gaines' IG at the end of the year. The signing of Vontae guarantees that they're moving on. All of the analysts agree. If you think Vontae Davis, who had multiple options, is anything but a Gaines replacement - you're in denial. https://buffalofootballbeat.com/2018/02/01/poyer-white-comment-on-ej-gaines-posted-photo-suggesting-bills-departure/ Edited February 27, 2018 by BillsFanForever19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I would hope they still make Gaines an offer. I'd rather have Gaines than Johnson, or Wright. Can Gaines pay nickel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 they saw what Gaines was going to make and didn't think he was worth it. so they offered that to Davis instead, who has at least done something in this league to earn it. plus he provides veteran leadership. he's a McBeane type guy in the community and he has been around the game. good role model for Tre White to learn from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said: It’s easy to say Gaines will be gone. But you never know. He might like McD zone heavy scheme. His injury history may make the market for him less than he or his agent thinks. Not sure if they can, but he would be a guy to place transition tag on. He is good enough to want to keep, but if a team signs him to big dollars it is an easy decision to let him walk. Eventually, you will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think it says more about the coach/GM. We've seen in the past where the front office would be reactive to players leaving to FA. At least now they are being proactive in signing a player in case Gaines doesn't want to stick around for the price the bills are willing to pay for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Thanks for the 2017 games you played in and good luck in your future football endeavors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickedface Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 gaines wasn't coming back. white made mention of it at the end of the season on twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 even when we had Winfield and Clements, I'd still put our d-backs in the category of the best we've ever had Poyer Hyde TreD and Vontae All top notch players. Nice job Beaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Beane is factoring Gaines leaving into the compensation pick formula for 2019. He's gone IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 52 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: It just means they aren't letting Gaines hold them over a barrel. It's smart. I agree man, smart move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 He's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 did anyone else catch the interview with tre white on nfl network a week or two back? at one point he was talking about the draft and that he wouldn't mind seeing a corner drafted high becuz they had a spot to fill..... I tried not reading into it too much but it basically made me think that or wonder if gaines may have informed his close teammates already that he had no future plans that included buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Interesting that last week during an interview on NFLN Trey White mentioned that the Bills had an open CB spot with him lobbying for his former LSU teammate Donte Jackson. May have been related to Gaines not coming back. 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: did anyone else catch the interview with tre white on nfl network a week or two back? at one point he was talking about the draft and that he wouldn't mind seeing a corner drafted high becuz they had a spot to fill..... I tried not reading into it too much but it basically made me think that or wonder if gaines may have informed his close teammates already that he had no future plans that included buffalo. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 I guess consensus is EJ is gone. I dont really mind if hes gone or not. I think we have to find another guy to add in now. We dont know what we will get out of Vontae and hes coming off season ending surgery. We did very well in the secondary last year, which was a big surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Yep. oh. whoops. shoulda read over the first page a little slower. lol. Edited February 27, 2018 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: oh. whoops. shoulda read over the first page. lol. No issue. My quote is from the Vontae signing thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) Signing Davis also might make next year's 3rd round pick easier to deal this year due to the comp formula. I say go with Davis and draft a rookie to play behind Davis and White. Hopefully, you get a 3rd comp for Gaines or someone we are losing. Use next year's original third as some ammo for moving around this year. That's how I'm looking at it. Edited February 27, 2018 by NewEraBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: Does it mean hes gone? Do we need to have both? Did we have any rotational guys do well in EJ's absence? I remember there was one guy out there last year that was horrible. He's gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: Does it mean hes gone? Do we need to have both? Did we have any rotational guys do well in EJ's absence? I remember there was one guy out there last year that was horrible. My guess and hope would be....it does NOT mean EJ is gone. IMO we need 3 very good CBs. We only had two last year. Resigning Gaines and signing Vontae would give us 3 and a huge overall roster upgrade. However, I have not seen the amount of Vontae's contract. That could tell you if Gaines is still in play for us to resign. And, I am not confident in Vontae totally recovering. It reminds me of Takeo Spikes being I don't know if he will regain is previous form. Edited February 27, 2018 by Manther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Manther said: My guess and hope would be....it does NOT mean EJ is gone. IMO we need 3 very good CBs. We only had two last year. Resigning Gaines and signing Vontae would give us 3 and a huge overall roster upgrade. However, I have not seen the amount of Vontae's contract. That could tell you if Gaines is still in play for us to resign I'm resigned to the idea that Gaines will not be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Too bad but I agree he is gone - when he played he was dang good - when he didn't the Bills took a step back......would be awesome to keep him but the handwriting is on the wall - he wants bank. BIG bank......good move by the Bills....more and more I am liking the way these boys are running the FO. ABOUT DAMN TIME! Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I'm resigned to the idea that Gaines will not be back. Based on what? A hunch? IMO we don't know as this FO is a new regime. You could be right. But, I am not sure yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Manther said: Based on what? A hunch? IMO we don't know as this FO is a new regime. You could be right. But, I am not sure yet. Based on his lack of reliability due to injury history and the fact that a better player in the person of Davis was just signed. Beyond that is the compensatory pick formula that Beane is on the record of saying it will be a consideration in what they do in UFA. It also explains why Chris Ivory was in for a visit as both he and Davis don't hurt the Bills in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 EJ's gone. Davis and White are your starting CBs. Johnson likely to be re-signed for vet minimum or close to it. Depth in draft. Anyone holding onto the notion that Bills will pay Gaines AND Davis for this season -- when there's only room to start for one of them, since neither are slot corners -- is kidding themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Based on his lack of reliability due to injury history and the fact that a better player in the person of Davis was just signed. Beyond that is the compensatory pick formula that Beane is on the record of saying it will be a consideration in what they do in UFA. It also explains why Chris Ivory was in for a visit as both he and Davis don't hurt the Bills in that regard. As much as I (as a fan and seen what teams can do with comp picks) think comp picks are good. This FO showed last year that at this point or last years point the comp picks were not a priority as we could have released guys to get a 3rd round pick. I know the FO is different this year as McD ran the show for the start of FA last year and now McBeane is doing it this year and I know each year is different. But, don't fully believe that is the main reason behind these moves. JMO 4 minutes ago, Logic said: EJ's gone. Davis and White are your starting CBs. Johnson likely to be re-signed for vet minimum or close to it. Depth in draft. Anyone holding onto the notion that Bills will pay Gaines AND Davis for this season -- when there's only room to start for one of them, since neither are slot corners -- is kidding themselves. Does anyone know Davis' contract at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Manther said: As much as I (as a fan and seen what teams can do with comp picks) think comp picks are good. This FO showed last year that at this point or last years point the comp picks were not a priority as we could have released guys to get a 3rd round pick. I know the FO is different this year as McD ran the show for the start of FA last year and now McBeane is doing it this year and I know each year is different. But, don't fully believe that is the main reason behind these moves. JMO Yeah. If they bring in Kurt Coleman for a visit -- thus going 3 for 3 on visits with "won't count against the comp pick formula" guys -- then we'll know there's something to it. 1 minute ago, Manther said: As much as I (as a fan and seen what teams can do with comp picks) think comp picks are good. This FO showed last year that at this point or last years point the comp picks were not a priority as we could have released guys to get a 3rd round pick. I know the FO is different this year as McD ran the show for the start of FA last year and now McBeane is doing it this year and I know each year is different. But, don't fully believe that is the main reason behind these moves. JMO Does anyone know Davis' contract at this point? Nope. But even if it's for vet minimum, which I doubt, I STILL don't think they bring back Gaines. Availability and buy-in are big to this coaching staff, and Gaines seems to lack both, based on his injury history and his seeming eagerness to leave Buffalo at season's end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Manther said: As much as I (as a fan and seen what teams can do with comp picks) think comp picks are good. This FO showed last year that at this point or last years point the comp picks were not a priority as we could have released guys to get a 3rd round pick. I know the FO is different this year as McD ran the show for the start of FA last year and now McBeane is doing it this year and I know each year is different. But, don't fully believe that is the main reason behind these moves. JMO Does anyone know Davis' contract at this point? It's part of the equation just as Beane said. The players still have to fit team needs which is certainly the case with both Davis and Ivory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Says to me that we are preparing for him to be over paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Logic said: Yeah. If they bring in Kurt Coleman for a visit -- thus going 3 for 3 on visits with "won't count against the comp pick formula" guys -- then we'll know there's something to it. Maybe it has to do with a plan and comp picks. But, it could also be they are bringing in players that they are allowed to bring in before FA starts. I do not think it is one or the other though. Probably both and a good plan. But, we bring players in year round to evaluate and entertain options. These are players we are interested in (and/or using for leverage) because at this point in the year's calendar we are able to bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) I think Gaines may still be possible. He has a very specific skill set as a zone corner that is not a great fit for every team and he's had injury issues, so I'm not sure what type of interest he will receive as a free agent. That said, if we do re-sign him, we could play Davis in the slot. He is a bigger corner with good man to man skills, which would help him there. Leonard Johnson could be #4, and then you are in a very good place depth wise. Edited February 27, 2018 by MrEpsYtown It's Leonard not Leon d'oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: Says to me that we are preparing for him to be over paid I agree we are ready for someone to overpay for him. But, not sure it will happen. Just now, MrEpsYtown said: I think Gaines may still be possible. He has a very specific skill set as a zone corner that is not a great fit for every team and he's had injury issues, so I'm not sure what type of interest he will receive as a free agent. That said, if we do re-sign him, we could play Davis in the slot. He is a bigger corner with good man to man skills, which would help him there. Leon Johnson could be #4, and then you are in a very good place depth wise. Agreed, that Gaines may or may not get the pay day some think based on injuries and fit in our system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Maybe he'll play nickel, maybe he's gone, or maybe they'll resign and trade him. The Bills have options at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I just find it odd some fans say that CB E.J. Gaines is injured too much to pay him a decent salary yet praise the Vontae Davis signing? He has been injury prone the past 2 seasons. I like the signing but I don't think this will stop us from drafting another corner, not necessarily high but in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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