Success Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 This guy is so overrated anyway. I can’t wait until he is HC for the Pats. It will be fun to flip the script and start sweeping them every year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: What the agent meant was josh McDaniels was making the biggest mistake of his agents life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: What the agent meant was josh McDaniels was making the biggest mistake of his agents life. Well he represents Reich as well so the interview is forthcoming. He also represents Frazier which is why he probably fed that to Rapaport last night to tweet him out as an option. Plus the articles coming out about how he never signed anything and just couldn’t move his family etc. He’s trying to recoup his image right now that the Colts are still ok and McDaniels did what he had to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 14 hours ago, JoeF said: Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter Text from one league source: “That’s Kraft putting it to the Colts again. He will forever try and (expletive) that place ever since deflate gate.” Thats an even better explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Imo he will not succeed as an NFL head coach. I dont believe he has the people skills to build a winning team. Say what you wish about Bill but he built a legacy so he can do things a certain way. I think Bill is actually a genuine guy. He sticks to his word and players know where they stand with him. Im curious to see if Bill was the one who approached Josh or if it was Kraft? If Kraft was the one to offer him the job in waiting that is another situation where Bill's authority will be undermined. The whole sit down that is looming with Kraft, Bill, and Brady adds the leverage to Kraft who is going to side with Brady. By having his disciples leave for jobs Bill would have entered that meeting with at least his services being the leverage. Josh is going to be a large factor in that meeting. I would not be surprised if in the coming weeks Bill retires. In a year or two resurfaces and is coaching for a different organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PatsFanNH Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's really about the assistants IMO. He apparently got guys to uproot their families, move to Indianapolis, and start sweating, on their trust in his word that he was taking the gig. It's fair enough for McD to be leary of Irsay, but then keep his talks with assistants on the "if I do this...are you interested?" level, don't be definite to your men when you're still a waffle between the ears. That's not a leader. I agree.. just a very weird thing IMO. The pats had already stated who they were going to name new OC and DC. So I wonder if they were caught by surprise too. (Yes they had tried but probably thought it had failed by the time he changed his mind.) 4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Spoken like a Pats Fan. Collusion, tampering, cowardice? Wow! Tampering? How again it was their employee. Collusion? In what? Really colluding to do what? Keep himas an OC? That's not collusion it's business. Cowardice .. I think your just throwing crap against the wall see anything sticks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 I like this guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Capt. Andrew Luck @CaptAndrewLuck 5m5 minutes ago Dearest mother — Time heals all wounds, including a slap to the face from a bamboozler. I have confidence the unit shall find a proper general, in time. Now, I must return to my sidearm drills. Hopeful. — Andrew 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Wow! Tampering? How again it was their employee. Collusion? In what? Really colluding to do what? Keep himas an OC? That's not collusion it's business. One has to wonder how the Rooney Rule will play out after the Pats* name McDaniels* HC once Belicheck* leaves. Oh, wait. It's NE*. I'm sure Goodell will overlook it for his buddy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I like this guy I wanted him and Toub here (but am happy with what we have now....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Why is anyone surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 16 hours ago, PirateHookerMD said: What a scumbag. Hope he gets blackballed. Poor colts left without a dance partner and embarrassed 2nd choice coaching hire. I hear ya, but I don't feel bad for Irsay. 52 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: whats laughable is Josh McDaniels giving 3 guys his word he was going to be the coach, them changing their entire lives around, and him bagging. That's not really laughable, it's deplorable. And what if other guys never even looked at new gigs cause Joshy boy promised them gigs on his staff. Rappoport reported that as late as yesterday morning he was offering guys jobs on his staff. Despicable human being. This! 15 hours ago, napmaster said: Yes, he is a scumbag. It was a scumbag move when BB did it to the Jets too. Birds of a feather flock together. Yes, cheated on many occasions. That franchise will always be tainted. Stop feeding the troll!!! Just ignore!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Edited February 7, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) Look, Patriots fans are happy, as they should be, because they get to keep their OC. I absolutely get it. However, and I know some of you Pats fans are in here (and honestly most of you guys really aren't offensive and do keep to the rules of the Board, which is appreciated), but nationally as a group it is funny how tone-deaf some of you are to HOW DOUCHEY this move is or looks. It's not jealousy because you guys win a whole lot (and you guys win a TON), and I have admitted previously, in my opinion, that Tom Brady is the greatest QB of all time. It's really just that you guys translate the above into unwarranted entitlement and as beneficiaries of a "free pass" for douchey-ness. Edited February 7, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Success said: This guy is so overrated anyway. I can’t wait until he is HC for the Pats. It will be fun to flip the script and start sweeping them every year. Just listened to the first 20 minutes or so of EEI this morning. The one guy was “ that’s it, end of the dynasty “ and went on to kill McDaniels and his record, as well as his ethics. Maybe this is a great thing for the Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 To the fans of Indy... as Charles Robinson said . McDaniels is "ARROGANT , ABYSMAL, ABORTIVE, AND a word he didn't say but i will., A__HOLE. You are lucky that he aborted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GG Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 This will prompt another rule change by the league. The only reason this happened is that McDaniels couldn't formally sign while Pats* were still in the playoffs. That rule already puts teams waiting on these assistants in the waiting penalty box. Now that Kraft pulled another shady move on another franchise, I expect the other owners to address this. Kraft better believe that karma doesn't exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 58 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Wow! Tampering? How again it was their employee. Collusion? In what? Really colluding to do what? Keep himas an OC? That's not collusion it's business. Cowardice .. I think your just throwing crap against the wall see anything sticks. Why not. Irrational Pats fans do it all the time. Bellyache and Krafty had a 4 hour meeting with McNumbnuts to "convince him to stay". How much more $ did they offer him? Did they guarantee him the HC job? Did they do this to screw over the Colts? He burned more bridges than he knows by backing out. He made his manager look like an asshat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Well he represents Reich as well so the interview is forthcoming. He also represents Frazier which is why he probably fed that to Rapaport last night to tweet him out as an option. Plus the articles coming out about how he never signed anything and just couldn’t move his family etc. He’s trying to recoup his image right now that the Colts are still ok and McDaniels did what he had to do. I know. It’s the job, and the pay I’m sure is good. Gotta suck to take the heat for someone else’s waffling. Colts will I’ll be better for it in the end I believe. I’m not convinced JMcD is anything more than a solid apprentice if under a great coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 38 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: One has to wonder how the Rooney Rule will play out after the Pats* name McDaniels* HC once Belicheck* leaves. Oh, wait. It's NE*. I'm sure Goodell will overlook it for his buddy. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seriously? I don't see how you can have the Rooney Rule, and a written succession plan. But what do I know. Not written. More like a back room high level meeting handshake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Not written. More like a back room high level meeting handshake. #SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Gil BrandtVerified account @Gil_Brandt 2m2 minutes ago If my friend Chris Ballard wanted a coach recommendation from me, I'd tell him to hire Jim Schwartz. One of the smartest coaches I've ever met. Keep your head up, Chris, Lombardi wasn't Packers' first choice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Polin on Golic and Wingo stated that "heir apparent" and succession plans are exempt from the Rooney Rule. McDaniels looks like a douche that everyone expects him to be. But if Kraft adds more money and the next coach title how car you say no? Idk how Bill would feel about this. Yes, Parcells did this for him and maybe he is paying it forward. Will he be ok with giving Josh more control over the team and groom him as his successor? From my perspective seems like Kraft is doing for Brady what Kraft wouldn't do for Bill. Oddly similar to the Garapalo situation, but with the head coach and not Q. I think Bill is gone and they roll with Mcd and Brady til the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reed83HOF Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 Adam SchefterVerified account @AdamSchefter FollowingFollowing @AdamSchefter More Colts are expected to request permission for HC interviews with Eagles OC Frank Reich and Saints asst HC Dan Campbell, per sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 51 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Look, Patriots fans are happy, as they should be, because they get to keep their OC. I absolutely get it. However, and I know some of you Pats fans are in here (and honestly most of entitlement and as beneficiaries of a "free pass" for douche The fickle and ignorant Pat's** fans will get what they deserve. BB is a great coach who can transcend lack of talent. But McDaniels is no BB. He is nothing without Brady. I really hope he replaces BB because we will all love seeing his arrogant, self-centered and unprofessional a** get kicked by the Bills twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 hour ago, LABillzFan said: One has to wonder how the Rooney Rule will play out after the Pats* name McDaniels* HC once Belicheck* leaves. Oh, wait. It's NE*. I'm sure Goodell will overlook it for his buddy. Wow do a LITTLE research. The Rooney rule does not apply if their is a succession plan in place it is only in search for a new hire. also BB it is being reported is the reason he is staying he promised to mentor him more and groom him take over the Pats when he retires.. so he isn't going anywhere right now either. 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Why not. Irrational Pats fans do it all the time. Bellyache and Krafty had a 4 hour meeting with McNumbnuts to "convince him to stay". How much more $ did they offer him? Did they guarantee him the HC job? Did they do this to screw over the Colts? He burned more bridges than he knows by backing out. He made his manager look like an asshat. He had not signed a contract, and since he was employed by the Pats still at he time (and per the contract he has with them like every other team has) he is not allowed to have another job while working for them. So they can offer him anything they want to convince him to stay. I think screwing over the colts was just just a nice side effect. IMO BB told Kraft his end date for coaching then told him he wanted McDaniels to replace him when he retires... thus the meetings and per bleacher report he decided to stay when BB promised to show him the ins and out of running the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think that writer needs to learn to hold back less, so we can tell how he really feels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 16 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Calling to hire guys 10 minutes before you bolt and actually hiring guys that are now under contract isn't a scumbag move? Geez dude. You're talking to a pats fan. They probably like Lane Kiffin too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, PirateHookerMD said: What a scumbag. Hope he gets blackballed. Poor colts left without a dance partner and embarrassed 2nd choice coaching hire. Why? He didn't have a final deal with them. So he is a bad person because he wasn't sold on uprooting his family to a team with an awful roster? Not to mention, BB days are likely coming to an end in NE, I have a hard time seeing him there after Brady leaves, I mean he had to confirm he was even coming back next year. So I am sure there is a part of McDaniels that is seeing the possibility of keeping his family in NE and potentially rising to HC there, especially with Krafts commitment to him. I would 100 times over stay in NE with Brady and that offense than take the lowly Colts job, especially if I have a chance to be a HC for the organization all his success is tied too with great ownership and team management. 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Why not. Irrational Pats fans do it all the time. Bellyache and Krafty had a 4 hour meeting with McNumbnuts to "convince him to stay". How much more $ did they offer him? Did they guarantee him the HC job? Did they do this to screw over the Colts? He burned more bridges than he knows by backing out. He made his manager look like an asshat. He didn't burn any bridges...this is just fan fodder. He didn't have a locked deal, nor could he, and no deal was announced. Media ran with assumptions, and Colts probably made him an offer and looked like McDaniels was going to take it, but ultimately turned it down. He was under NO obligation to go there, take the job etc. Edited February 7, 2018 by Alphadawg7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why? He didn't have a final deal with them. So he is a bad person because he wasn't sold on uprooting his family to a team with an awful roster? Not to mention, BB days are likely coming to an end in NE, I have a hard time seeing him there after Brady leaves, I mean he had to confirm he was even coming back next year. So I am sure there is a part of McDaniels that is seeing the possibility of keeping his family in NE and potentially rising to HC there, especially with Krafts commitment to him. I would 100 times over stay in NE with Brady and that offense than take the lowly Colts job, especially if I have a chance to be a HC for the organization all his success is tied too with great ownership and team management. He is a "bad person" because he told the Colts that he ACCEPTED a job that, if what you say is correct, he wasn't sold on and then proceeded to hire coaches, costing them their previous positions. You don't want to leave New England? Fine. Don't mess with other people's careers, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, seregil42 said: He is a "bad person" because he told the Colts that he ACCEPTED a job that, if what you say is correct, he wasn't sold on and then proceeded to hire coaches, costing them their previous positions. You don't want to leave New England? Fine. Don't mess with other people's careers, though. This x100. If you aren't sold on uprooting your family, don't let the other party believe you've agreed to terms and start recruiting staff. Wait until you're sold. And then when you are sold, be a man of your word. That aspect really should not be this hard to understand. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seregil42 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: He didn't burn any bridges...this is just fan fodder. He didn't have a locked deal, nor could he, and no deal was announced. Media ran with assumptions, and Colts probably made him an offer and looked like McDaniels was going to take it, but ultimately turned it down. He was under NO obligation to go there, take the job etc. What world are you living in? There is no "probably" about it, the Colts GM came out and said that they had agreed to terms. No, he didn't sign the contract, so he's not contractually on the hook. But if you think the other 30 NFL teams aren't taking notice of this, you're out of your mind. Would you, as a coach or GM of any other team, want to look at this guy knowing his past in Denver and now what he just did to the Colts? Edited February 7, 2018 by seregil42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This x100. If you aren't sold on uprooting your family, don't let the other party believe you've agreed to terms and start recruiting staff. Wait until you're sold. And then when you are sold, be a man of your word. That aspect really should not be this hard to understand. Well said, HBF. The thing is, too, the #McDanielsFacts on Twitter are all pretty funny, but also kind of accurate given the above. Nothing wrong with flirting with the job. Nothing wrong with using it to get a bump up in pay. However, when they are having a presser to announce you as their coach and you are packing up your office to go be their coach only to back out is s****y. Doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to do it, but it is super s****y. ...and I just don't understand how some people don't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: This x100. If you aren't sold on uprooting your family, don't let the other party believe you've agreed to terms and start recruiting staff. Wait until you're sold. And then when you are sold, be a man of your word. That aspect really should not be this hard to understand. I'm not gonna uproot my family but I'll hire guys and uproot them then back out. Classy move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 i wonder if Belichick staying another year or 2 hinged on Kraft being able to give McDaniels what he wanted. BB was fairly close to the vest until after the Superbowl, then told Kraft to keep his OC, and he will remain (and likely pass the steering wheel off for 2019 or 2020)... which is what caused the late push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commsvet11 Posted February 7, 2018 Share Posted February 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Wow do a LITTLE research. The Rooney rule does not apply if their is a succession plan in place it is only in search for a new hire. also BB it is being reported is the reason he is staying he promised to mentor him more and groom him take over the Pats when he retires.. so he isn't going anywhere right now either. He had not signed a contract, and since he was employed by the Pats still at he time (and per the contract he has with them like every other team has) he is not allowed to have another job while working for them. So they can offer him anything they want to convince him to stay. I think screwing over the colts was just just a nice side effect. IMO BB told Kraft his end date for coaching then told him he wanted McDaniels to replace him when he retires... thus the meetings and per bleacher report he decided to stay when BB promised to show him the ins and out of running the Patriots. Bypassing the Rooney rule that way, you would be correct, so long as that language is written in the contract, probably part of the sweetening of his contract, mentioned earlier. Now what is convenient is this happens just right before he is to start HC for the colts, I mean could the Pats organization could have renegotiated his contract anytime, so why did they wait until the last minute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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