Tatonka68 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) OTHER, Stand pat and take a ILB and DT in the 1st round round and select Mason Rudolph or Mike White with a 2nd round pick. Willing to trade up in the second round to do that. Edited January 31, 2018 by Tatonka68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The other option I’m ok with other than trading up for darnold, Rosen or Mayfield is staying at 21 and taking Lamar Jackson. Definitely no trading up and screw Bradford, Cousins, Smith, et. al. They need to identify their guy and draft where we are or trade back. I would be on board with Lamar Jackson in addition to a few others. 20's may be a bit high for Jackson, but they will know once it comes. He definitely has some undeniable skills. I ran into this breakdown a while back. Pretty good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Trade up plus bridge QB. We can get a Bradford that will put up better numbers than Tyrod plus have the rookie waiting in the wings for when he inevitably gets hurt. It's a no brainer. Paying 26 mil for Cousins is stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Trade up. It's not even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) i voted other. i don't think cousins will be here. so...after the pats win the sb, i'm gonna trade no. 22 for nick foles. then draft vita vea at 21. maximize the draft and grab qb a little later. (mike white?) but...if cousins goes to denver and somehow darnold, 1.(cle.) rosen 2. (giants)and allen 3.-to the jets with the thought that they like allen's potential and can keep mc cown as a bridge. i think bradford is a good possibiliy to az. in fa, so maybe mayfield slides. i just hate the thought of giving up all our picks. 13 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: OTHER, Stand pat and take a ILB and DT in the 1st round round and select Mason Rudolph or Mike White with a 2nd round pick. Willing to trade up in the second round to do that. i give this a high percentage of happening. Edited January 31, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Trade up for their "guy". Use whatever draft capital it takes. Overpay if necessary. Fill holes with FAs for front 7 and OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think it would be a huge mistake to not explore the FA market for a QB before the draft. Remember, you can't go back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 It comes down to whether you think one of these kids coming out is the guy. And history tells us there's a 50:50 shot at best. I don't see any of them being all that and a bag of chips. So give me Cousins, and I build around him, in part by using all the picks I have this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 33 minutes ago, simool said: Definitely no trading up and screw Bradford, Cousins, Smith, et. al. They need to identify their guy and draft where we are or trade back. I would be on board with Lamar Jackson in addition to a few others. 20's may be a bit high for Jackson, but they will know once it comes. He definitely has some undeniable skills. I ran into this breakdown a while back. Pretty good read. I love Lamar Jackson as a prospect - just think he is less ready to play right away than the other 3. I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Darnold is my guy. Reminds me of Winston on film, but not an idiot. I agree, very similar prospects. Both throw way too many picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, horned dogs said: I think it would be a huge mistake to not explore the FA market for a QB before the draft. Remember, you can't go back! They have to sign someone unless they keep Taylor. They aren’t going to go into the season with Peterman and a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Trade up for Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. I hope we do this. Spend the money we save on Cousins on the Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: There was a report that Washington was attempting a sign and trade. The dead cap hit wouldn't allow this for the skins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: It comes down to whether you think one of these kids coming out is the guy. And history tells us there's a 50:50 shot at best. I don't see any of them being all that and a bag of chips. So give me Cousins, and I build around him, in part by using all the picks I have this draft. Drafting a guy comes with 5 years of control - and he can't sign elsewhere. Cousins is a bidding war - you're bidding money as well as your city and organization. Why are we a better destination than anywhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, dneveu said: Drafting a guy comes with 5 years of control - and he can't sign elsewhere. Cousins is a bidding war - you're bidding money as well as your city and organization. Why are we a better destination than anywhere else? Just now, dneveu said: Drafting a guy comes with 5 years of control - and he can't sign elsewhere. Cousins is a bidding war - you're bidding money as well as your city and organization. Why are we a better destination than anywhere else? I have posted this several times in different threads, but go read the recent si article on Cousins. He is all about process. As much as McD if not more so. It would be a great match of HC and QB. Plus if you look at the other options, we are the only playoff team in the market for a QB, unless Jacksonville decides to move on from Bortles. And Cousins has said his main goal is a winning franchise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: They have to sign someone unless they keep Taylor. They aren’t going to go into the season with Peterman and a rookie. Likely, I'm not sure they don't bring Tyrod back though. There are some who think all we need is Peterman! I just don't like the all in on trade up for a QB strategy. Extremely risky! Must explore all options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 This really isn't easy. I'm all for KC but not if Denvelway is going to over pay him. I think he could be very good in Buffalo and I think he would make the Bills a contender but he's not elite and shouldn't be paid like elite. He's needs to be paid accordingly. If the cost is too high then the Bills need a different plan at QB. I'd rather the Bills keep their draft picks and look at getting some DL, LB and OL help early in the draft. Then again it all depends on what they do in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Trade up. I got a question about cousins though if the bills were to sign him. How tight would they be against the cap if they inked him to the expected 25 mil per year? (Or roughly that) Because I know with Wood retiring and releasing TT, that would result in what, roughly 12 mil in dead money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 39 minutes ago, Tatonka68 said: OTHER, Stand pat and take a ILB and DT in the 1st round round and select Mason Rudolph or Mike White with a 2nd round pick. Willing to trade up in the second round to do that. I would be very happy with that plan as well. I think Rudolph and White have just as good of a chance to come franchise QBs as Rosen and Darnold. I really like Mayfield, but it scares me trading up into the top 5 for a short QB, I might be willing to trade up into the teens for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: Trade up. I got a question about cousins though if the bills were to sign him. How tight would they be against the cap if they inked him to the expected 25 mil per year? (Or roughly that) Because I know with Wood retiring and releasing TT, that would result in what, roughly 12 mil in dead money? We can get to around 55M easily before sigining Cousins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Trade up. Without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, wppete said: I hope we do this. Spend the money we save on Cousins on the Defense. Or you can spend the money on Cousins and draft defence. There are a lot of good players in the draft. Free agent defensive players don't usually live up to their contracts, you are paying for past production. I would much rather get some young defensive players in the draft and spend money on a QB entering his prime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 at this point i'm becoming very comfortable with the trade up. if it needs to be trading up for a rookie, and keeping tyrod around one more year as the veteran, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I do not think Cousins is worth the cost and I do not think there is a franchise QB in this draft. I guess we are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Sign cousins and keep all your drft picks to tool the defense with younger guys QB is a much more riskier option when drafting Edited January 31, 2018 by ILBillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: Trade up. Without question. It will cost three 1st and three 2nd as a starting point to move up. You will be getting a turnover machine in Darnold, a short QB in Mayfield, or a QB in Rosen that does not have the persona of a franchise QB. I'm not saying those guys aren't good prospects but that plan is high risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I have posted this several times in different threads, but go read the recent si article on Cousins. He is all about process. As much as McD if not more so. It would be a great match of HC and QB. Plus if you look at the other options, we are the only playoff team in the market for a QB, unless Jacksonville decides to move on from Bortles. And Cousins has said his main goal is a winning franchise. Here's some insider information, he doesn't care what team went to the playoffs. He's after the MONEY Edited January 31, 2018 by Starr Almighty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said: He's some insider information, he doesn't care what team went to the playoffs. He's after the MONEY This they want the guaranteed money from a new contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, billspro said: I would be very happy with that plan as well. I think Rudolph and White have just as good of a chance to come franchise QBs as Rosen and Darnold. I really like Mayfield, but it scares me trading up into the top 5 for a short QB, I might be willing to trade up into the teens for him. 21. Maurice Hurst DT 22. Tremaine Edmunds OLB 53. Pat White QB 55. Mike McCray ILB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, billspro said: Or you can spend the money on Cousins and draft defence. There are a lot of good players in the draft. Free agent defensive players don't usually live up to their contracts, you are paying for past production. I would much rather get some young defensive players in the draft and spend money on a QB entering his prime. And not every draft pick pans out... it cuts both ways. Kirk Cousins needs, as proof in Washington, a good solid team around for him to succeed. That's not the Bills at this point. You would have to hope that the Bills absolutely smash the draft and that who they draft is able to be a day 1 starter. We know this isn't possible. And lets not forget Cousins would have to choose to come to Buffalo with other teams out there with better talent. 2 minutes ago, billspro said: It will cost three 1st and three 2nd as a starting point to move up. You will be getting a turnover machine in Darnold, a short QB in Mayfield, or a QB in Rosen that does not have the persona of a franchise QB. I'm not saying those guys aren't good prospects but that plan is high risk. No it won't, you are exaggerating greatly. Drafting a QB every time is high risk. There have been a handful of can't miss QBs but at some point you need to draft one. Let me ask you this, Cousins signs with Buffalo, comes here and does exactly what he's done in Washington record wise. How far back does his contract set the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: Here's some insider information, he doesn't care what team went to the playoffs. He's after the MONEY He'll get money from whomever. HE also wants to win. Read the si article and see what he talks about. If you look at teams in the market right now we are the team best poised to win. All we need is a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: And not every draft pick pans out... it cuts both ways. Kirk Cousins needs, as proof in Washington, a good solid team around for him to succeed. That's not the Bills at this point. You would have to hope that the Bills absolutely smash the draft and that who they draft is able to be a day 1 starter. We know this isn't possible. And lets not forget Cousins would have to choose to come to Buffalo with other teams out there with better talent. No it won't, you are exaggerating greatly. Drafting a QB every time is high risk. There have been a handful of can't miss QBs but at some point you need to draft one. Let me ask you this, Cousins signs with Buffalo, comes here and does exactly what he's done in Washington record wise. How far back does his contract set the Bills? When the Eagles traded up for Wentz is cost two firsts, a third, and a second. That was to go from eight. Maybe we could get it done with bother our firsts this year and a first and a second next year. I would be surprised though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I look at it as if we're playing poker. If I'm holding a solid hand, I don't try to draw to a higher hand and sacrifice the hand I have. So if (a perhaps big if) we can get Cousins, that's a solid hand. Trying to draw to a higher hand by trading a bunch of picks for a kid that may or may not make it loses me chips in the long run. It just comes down to how you feel about the guys in this draft. Too many people here keep harping on how we haven't drafted a guy high and it's time to o so. That's not the point. It's drafting the right guy, not just drafting a guy. If there was a Luck or a guy like that, I'd bee all in on trading as many picks as needed to move up. But does anyone seriously think Darnold or Rosen or Allen are that guy? I sure don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: He'll get money from whomever. HE also wants to win. Read the si article and see what he talks about. If you look at teams in the market right now we are the team best poised to win. All we need is a QB. Say the Bills, Denver and whatever other teams you wanna throw in all offer his 30M/5 years and 90M Guaranteed. The Browns however offer him 35M/5 years 110M Guaranteed. Are you telling me you believe he's not 100% signing with the Browns? Hint: He will no doubt about it. I wanna win is code for pony up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, billspro said: It will cost three 1st and three 2nd as a starting point to move up. You will be getting a turnover machine in Darnold, a short QB in Mayfield, or a QB in Rosen that does not have the persona of a franchise QB. I'm not saying those guys aren't good prospects but that plan is high risk. Imo it is no less risky than paying Cousins 125 mil. He hasn't won but put up big numbers. It is high possible that Cousin never lives up to contract like the majority of the high priced FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Starr Almighty said: Say the Bills, Denver and whatever other teams you wanna throw in all offer his 30M/5 years and 90M Guaranteed. The Browns however offer him 35M/5 years 110M Guaranteed. Are you telling me you believe he's not 100% signing with the Browns? Hint: He will no doubt about it. I wanna win is code for pony up We will see what happens. He'll get overpaid, as every QB in the league not named Brady or Rogers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Likely, I'm not sure they don't bring Tyrod back though. There are some who think all we need is Peterman! I just don't like the all in on trade up for a QB strategy. Extremely risky! Must explore all options. I would do what Eagles did. Trade up for a rookie and bring in a bridge vet backup in FA. Bradford or Keenum. I don’t think either one’s market will be that high. Neither is a sure-fire consistent starter for various reasons but can be a short term fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said: Say the Bills, Denver and whatever other teams you wanna throw in all offer his 30M/5 years and 90M Guaranteed. The Browns however offer him 35M/5 years 110M Guaranteed. Are you telling me you believe he's not 100% signing with the Browns? Hint: He will no doubt about it. I wanna win is code for pony up Agreed. Its typical Fa speak. Mario Williams and Suh said the same thing when he entered FA. Imo The only way he sign with us or Denver is if his market isnt as hot as he thought or all his offers around 25 mil a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Niagara Dude said: I we go all in for franchise qb, Cousins is not that and way overated. What amazing things have the Redskins done with him at QB? None, but that’s because he has had a pretty terrible supporting cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Lots of horrible GM’s on this board. Give up everything for a gamble on a rookie qb? Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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