Logic Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I haven't read all 42 pages of this thread, but I just wanted to say this: Anyone jumping off a bridge over this hire is being silly. This is a guy with a Super Bowl Ring and a National Championship in the span of 11 months. A guy who was smart enough and good enough at coaching to work for Belichick and Saban. A guy who, despite being only 42 years old, has 17 years of NFL coaching experience. A guy who -- due to having just coached in the college game this season -- should incorporate more modern passing concepts (RPOs, dynamic formations, motion, misdirection) into the Bills offense and be a real boon for whomever they draft. A guy who is WNY born and raised and is therefore emotionally invested. But sure, let's JUST look at his offenses from 7 years ago, with bum QBs on bum squads, and conclude that he stinks and will always stink. I'm sure he couldn't have possibly learned anything in the ensuing years with New England or from his time in Alabama. And one more thing: How can anyone who watched the second half of the National Championship game not like this guy? Talk about halftime adjustments! He scrapped his whole offensive gameplan and created a new one, on the fly, using a freshman QB and freshman skill players. Then, in overtime, he made the incredibly bold "Seattle" play call on 2nd and 26 and went for the jugular, instead of playing it safe and trying to just get into field goal range. No more dinosaur offense in Buffalo! Huzzah! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: MCD is pure vanilla, slow and steady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: How about he pulled his qb in the second half of the game and won it. Even more than that, with a very different style of playcalling. That most impressed me, how fluidly Bama transitioned (with a few hiccups from Tua). That's great coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, PolishDave said: It's supposed to be the easiest system to grasp. So I think it fits well with a drafted guy. A vet could learn it faster if he had to probably, but I don't think it favors any one QB. I think it favors them all. That one fact, by itself, is one of the biggest reasons for optimism going forward. Just my opinion. I don't disagree, but I think it can also be argued that the more experience a QB gets with the system, the more they can abuse the nuances of it. I don't mind if the vet they bring in isn't top shelf if they have experience running the system and diagnosing defenses efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 http://www.masslive.com/patriots/index.ssf/2016/12/bill_belichick_patriots_coachi.html Found it very interesting that, while working with the Patriots, Brian Daboll is actually the one who found Josh McDaniels and hired him as a coaching assistant. Then he and Josh McDaniels found and hired Matt Patricia. Hopefully he can find those types of assistants to bring into Buffalo! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, GaryPinC said: Even more than that, with a very different style of playcalling. That most impressed me, how fluidly Bama transitioned (with a few hiccups from Tua). That's great coaching. Agreed As said before I'm not giving daboll credit for pulling the QB on a team run by King Saban. Just like I'm not bashing daboll for his poor OC stint in the NFL a decade ago. I like the hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: http://www.masslive.com/patriots/index.ssf/2016/12/bill_belichick_patriots_coachi.html Found it very interesting that, while working with the Patriots, Brian Daboll is actually the one who found Josh McDaniels and hired him as a coaching assistant. Then he and Josh McDaniels found and hired Matt Patricia. Hopefully he can find those types of assistants to bring into Buffalo! Very impressive. Now can he help the Bills lose Juan Castillo? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Agreed. Hopefully daboll wants to be and MCD gives him some leeway. MCD is pure vanilla, slow and steady. Is he the guy to get to to the promised Land? Nah I don't think so. Is he a good choice to steady the ship and build a foundation? I think so. After the Dennison disaster, any change will be welcomed. McD has done a great job with this franchise, but his conservative gameday coaching concerns me. I think that will need to change for us to become a championship contender. Hopefully Daboll chooses and is allowed to be more aggressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very impressive. Now can he help the Bills lose Juan Castillo? We're likely to shed him quite naturally. Castillo is 100% a WCO guy and I believe Daboll prefers a more power-blocking approach that is probably better suited to the guys we have. Translation: OhpleasesweetJesusyesyesyes Edited January 15, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 35 minutes ago, McBean said: When is his press conference? Anybody know? I have not heard anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said: Ok I can give you that. BB was fired from Cleveland though. Fired. Somebody above him thought he failed. (Not saying they were correct) He took them to 11-5 and the playoffs, then they regressed, on all fronts, and was fired after the move was announced. I'm just saying even if you thought he was decent with the browns, he obviously had improved since then. I would say that HOPE daboll has learned and improved since his HC stint, hoping he learned a bunch under BB on the pats Daboll has never had a head coach stint that I know of. When was Daboll a HC and where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Daboll has never had a head coach stint that I know of. When was Daboll a HC and where? Sorry hap. My Android corrected OC to HC. I should have proofread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Bills Hire Former Bama OC (1:45) The Golic and Wingo crew weighs in on the offensive challenges in Buffalo that await newly hired coordinator Brian Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, The_Dude said: I run an HVAC company in Atlanta. This is just a place I go to read about the Bills and post comments. Some fanboys believe a person is obliged to answer all their questions. Sorry, I’ve a job. That’s the gig I’m running cause that’s what feeds my kids. I don't think anyone believes there's an obligation to answer all questions, but when a guy does respond, we judge what he chooses to respond to, and how. No one would wink if you bowed out, but answering a thoughtful response with "that's pathetic, really" then throwing the "I have a Life, Fanboy" card marks you out as a Tool. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Bills Hire Former Bama OC (1:45) The Golic and Wingo crew weighs in on the offensive challenges in Buffalo that await newly hired coordinator Brian Daboll. Do I want to listen? Can you give us the high level summary? Edited January 15, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 45 minutes ago, McBean said: When is his press conference? Anybody know? They've decided to wait and combine it with his firing PC. I guess that's not going to be too long from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said: Gonna cry about it ? I made 6,000 this year betting on nfl. Shoo fly 95.8% of bettors claiming they made $6000 lost $2500. That's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: Watched a handful of Chiefs from 2012 and Dolphins games from 2011. I saw a mixed bag of things. I really liked the way his offenses ran the ball. I think Shady will do really good things in this offense. The passing game was very meh. I forgot how utterly horrendous Matt Cassel was and Matt Moore wasn’t a whole lot better. One thing I did notice is that Dabbol doesn’t use much play action or move the pocket. It’s a lot of drop back passing from under center with 5 and 7 step drops. That doesn’t bode well for Tyrod assuming that’s the kind of offense he wil be bringing. I’m hoping he has since learned some things and his passing attack has since evolved otherwise I’m bracing myself for another season where we are good at running but have trouble throwing the ball. Shady will look good because he is good. The passing game was meh because the QBs were meh (or worse). He didn’t have much to work with. Passing game will be what the QB is. Edited January 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, fridge said: I totally understand and get where you’re coming from, but you must acknowledge that to draw your conclusion is to literally wipe out and ignore the 4 years he held the position we hired him for, right? I dig the username though and appreciate any Wes Anderson reference. Cheers! From the little research/reading I've done, other than Cleveland, his offenses improved in his one year at each position. For each, he had very little to work with and overall, the teams were terrible before he arrived. Moreover, I think he biggest endorsement of his ability is that the players and coaches seemed to believe he was great and that his reputation is such that Belechick and Saban kept hiring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 So....if we are going to a power scheme then John Miller might actually make a comeback here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Shady will look good because he is good. The passing game was meh because the QBs were meh (or worse). He didn’t have much to work with. Passing game will be what the QB is. I didn’t specify but in regards to the run game, Dabbol’s offenses looked to do very well run blocking which will only benefit a good player like Shady. Thanks for the insight though ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I'm surprised more people aren't excited about this hire. He checks a lot of the boxes people said they wanted. -He uses a diversified power run game (very similar to Roman) that he has had much success with and will obviously bring to the Bills. -He has been a QB coach at the NFL and college level (and was just OC and QB coach of Alabama) and has experience working with young QBs. -He believes in designing an offense to fit his players, not in forcing a rigid system on a team. -He's shown to be able to make in game adjustments -He's not just some old retread set in his ways or just some friend of McDermott's. He is a very young coach (by NFL standards) and seems open to change. I am pretty darn optimistic about this hire. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Another overlooked element is that he got his first OC job at like 34, which is obviously quite young. Not unheard of but not common either. 17 years experience, under a bunch of different coaches including the two great ones, and still a young guy, is a good combination IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 1-15: Former Bills TE Scott Chandler with Sal Capaccio (17:03) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I've had some time to digest this move and still not sure I like it. While certainly not the worst possible choice (at least I think), there's nothing about his previous resume that stands out other than working for Hoodie and Saban. Just wondering what the context is behind it because his profile seems to scream a match for a QB like TT and a run heavy offense and if that is truly this regimes new planned they are destined to begin another lengthy playoff drought especially if they haven't been paying attention to the playoffs and watching both elite and unheralded QB's put up big numbers in the passing game to lead their teams to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: 95.8% of bettors claiming they made $6000 lost $2500. That's a fact. 75% of statistics are invented by the person using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, joesixpack said: 75% of statistics are invented by the person using them. 60% of the time it works, every time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, joesixpack said: 75% of statistics are invented by the person using them. What a coincidence. That's about the same percentage of posters I have on ignore. Synchronicity.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 I wonder if/where Peterman could fit into his offensive system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Just now, Woodman19 said: I wonder if/where Peterman could fit into his offensive system. I believe he requires someone to hold the clipboard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 12 hours ago, kdiggz said: He has super bowl rings as an assistant with the Patriots. Everyone does. The guys that deflated the footballs do too. Even Vladamir Putin has one. Nothing exciting about that. If you are associated with the Pats you are going to get rings. Doesn't mean squat. Love this. Great post and totally true. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Love this. Spoken like a true drunk on a barstool.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Another overlooked element is that he got his first OC job at like 34, which is obviously quite young. Not unheard of but not common either. 17 years experience, under a bunch of different coaches including the two great ones, and still a young guy, is a good combination IMO. I still think one of the best parts about this hire is his recent exposure to the college game (at a high level). I really, really like it. Wondering if the Bills will offer Daboll up for a press conference? You know every other question will be about Tyrod and a QB -- they may not want to show their hand on the topic yet. Edited January 15, 2018 by eball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Lurker said: Spoken like a true drunk on a barstool.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 52 minutes ago, joesixpack said: 75% of statistics are invented by the person using them. 92.1% of people everywhere say you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 4 hours ago, PolishDave said: Ha. Anthony Lynn got offered a head coaching job after one year of being Tyrod's offensive coordinator. Your incessant weak ass bashing is both illogical and tiresome. Philip Rivers, Tyrod Taylor .... hmm If an OC can get anything from TT he must be good 73.6% of all statistics are made up. or is it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, eball said: I still think one of the best parts about this hire is his recent exposure to the college game (at a high level). I really, really like it. Wondering if the Bills will offer Daboll up for a press conference? You know every other question will be about Tyrod and a QB -- they may not want to show their hand on the topic yet. I think there is a lot to like but IMO that idea may be overblown. He would have been only studying defenses all week, not concentrating on offenses as much in the film room, and then on game day when his defense was on the field, he would be talking to his offense and thinking about what they are doing next. I'm not sure the one year gave him any great insight into top offensive players, changes in the game, or much of anything new he could bring to the table. Sure, while studying how the defense he will be playing the upcoming week dealt with the offenses, gives him some look at some players and systems, it's really about how the defenses reacted. And it was just one year. 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Philip Rivers, Tyrod Taylor .... hmm If an OC can get anything from TT he must be good 73.6% of all statistics are made up. or is it Those glasses are fake. I know that cat and those are not his glasses. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: 92.1% of people everywhere say you're wrong. 22.37% of respondents don't give a **** what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 103% of Bills fans support this hire. (+/-3% margin of error) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: 22.37% of respondents don't give a **** what you think. You sure it's that low? I thought it would be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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