Brian Daboll hired as new OC

[Woodman19]

1 hour ago, RichardLee said:

Let's hope he kicks as much ass as Bill Burr... 

 

https://streamable.com/eanwd

 

McDermott looks far more like Bill Burr.

[Mrbojanglezs]

 

[The Now Moment]

53 minutes ago, vincec said:

It’s amazing that he gets a fourth shot at a job that he bombed at the three previous times.

 

it makes you think that people must really see some potential in him.

 

Or it reinforces the “old boy network” theory.

Or they just look at the talent he was given to work with.  Brady Quinn, Derek Anderson, Colt Mccoy, Matt Cassel and Matt Moore.  Give him a decent QB and I bet he looks a lot better 

[PolishDave]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

Please stop it with the non sense... and if they had a QB who could throw reliably they wouold of thrown more. COMMON SENSE NEEDS TO BE APPLIED.

 

Nothing wrong with having a caliber of RB like Shady on the team

 

Bills were a run first team the last 3 years by choice.   They CHOSE Tyrod as the starting qb each and every year because they WANTED to run the ball first and foremost.

 

If they WANTED to be a throw first team, they would have brought in and started a different guy.    They CHOSE their path.  

 

The people in charge made those decisions.    You apparently think Buffalo was FORCED to take/keep Tyrod and FORCED to be run first because of it.   And you are flat out dead ass wrong.

[JoeF]

41 minutes ago, nucci said:

But is he blue collar and does he bring a lunch pail to work?

He went to St. Francis -- not exactly.....but he's still one of us :-)

54 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

So, he’s a Russ Brandon hire.   

Totally.  I heard he was told Terry likes Red Wine...sealed the deal.

[The Now Moment]

6 minutes ago, Woodman19 said:

McDermott looks far more like Bill Burr.

The only part of that picture that is similar is the lack of hair and that they are white.  Daboll and Burr look nothing alike otherwise haha

Edited January 15, 2018 by Buffalo30

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, John in Jax said:

Just curious....I wonder how much influence does the head coach have on an OC during the game? Do HCs frequently override the OC and make the call themselves? What about QBs? Obviously, you would think if you have a veteran QB, and a young OC, there'd be times when the QB knows which play would be best, no?

 

For example, the Steelers' calls on those 2 fourth and one plays yesterday.....did Tomlin have anything to do with those? What about Ben R?

 

It'd be really interesting to know the stats regarding this matter, but I doubt that they're kept. Probably the only way to know would be to poll all the OCs in the league, and I'm sure no one would participate.

 

Didn't it look like Ben R audibled into those two terrible 4th and short calls yesterday?

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

Didn't it look like Ben R audibled into those two terrible 4th and short calls yesterday?

 

In the post game he said that he went with the plays as called by Haley. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

Any word on position coaches? 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

In the post game he said that he went with the plays as called by Haley. 

 

Interesting. I assumed he audibled with all the stuff he was doing at the line. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Any word on position coaches? 

 

No, I wouldn't assume that he is going to clean house on offense....maybe just 1 or two changes I would expect. Maybe O line and Maybe QB

[ricko1112]

10 hours ago, Wily Dog said:

which do you believe are Patricia and McDaniels more loyal to Belicheck or Kraft ? Tommy is in with Kraft . The Grapollo situation did not set well with Belicheck . Matt is going to the Lions and Mcdaniels may ago to Indy. If Belicheck leaves for say the Giants , draw your own conclusions

Patricia and McDaniels are more loyal to Belichick. All of his coordinators are and only move on to teams to which BB gives his blessing. Eric Mangidiot learned that the hard way when he went to the Jets. Yes, Brady is loyal to Kraft.

 

The Lions and the Colts, I believe you're correct. BB isn't going anywhere. If he was planning on going, McDaniels would be staying to take over.

 

Too much is being made of the Garoppolo trade. Most thought that NE could have collected a king's ransom from the Browns, Bears, or 49ers before the draft. All reports say BB told everyone who called that he wasn't interested. We also know that NE wasn't going to keep JG after the season either. He wasn't ever going to play while Brady is playing at an MVP level. The trade got him out of the AFC and into a good situation. Plus NE got the current return for a back up QB.

 

I know this would be the dream scenario for the NFL, but it's not happening yet! ;-)

[WideRightRevenge]

16 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Well, at least he'll feel comfortable.

Wow . a lot of reading  ... but about lost my coffee on this one .. when they showed Daboll's prior Offensive Rankings as NFL OC .. then Gugny compared to our team's recent Offensive (this word does have 2 pertinent definitions) performance. 

 

15 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm with you.  This is exactly the kind of guy McDermott needs for a OC.

 

He was with Belli and after Mangini left the Patriots for the Jets he took Daboll with him.

When Mangini left for Cleveland he kept Daboll and promoted him to OC.

 

After Mangini was let go Daboll had a year in Miami under Sparano (his last year) so Daboll was let go

and KC new 1 year head coach Crennel picked him up.

Reid took over and let him go......................Belli picked him right back up.

He has been a victim of HC changes on very poor teams.

 

This guy is travelled but I bet he will do good in a stable environment.

Interesting ... he may have longer timing leash as McD .. may be here a little while ... knock on wood

 

15 hours ago, Rico said:

No Shula? I'm happy.

 

Trust the process.

Agreed .. enough with the Panther retreads ... glad they went outside the Charlotte to Buffalo connection

 

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

I'm struggling with a lot of people on here. Daboll was thought of as the McDaniels replacement if he didn't go with McDaniels to his new team. This means that he was good enough for Belichick and good enough for Saban, but not good enough for some message board arm chair coaches. 

Appears given all the pending changes to the NE staff .. he was either going to go with some of his alumni to their new coaching gigs or back to NE ... so if we finally stole something from those guys ahead of time as their busy getting ready for the Jags .. good by me.

 

1 hour ago, Magox said:

Clearly Daboll is highly regarded by the best minds in football, he is detailed oriented, known as an innovator, has won alot of meaningful games, has intimate knowledge of the Pats and is from Western NY.  Plus he had that awesome 2nd half adjustment for Alabama.  I'm optimistic.

 

Having said that, we really need a QB

Amen

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Any word on position coaches? 

Not that I've seen, but hopefully Culley is retained and moved to WR coach and we bring in a new QB coach with QB experience and a new OL coach who knows the power scheme.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

6 hours ago, kdiggz said:

Hard to get excited about this hire. Those that like it want to believe he is some innovative young college OC. He called plays for 1 season at the college level and if you are excited about that then you didn't watch any Alabama football. I literally did not want to watch them many times because of how boring their games are. 

 

He is way more NFL retread than anything, most well known as the OC of the worst offensive attack in the entire league for 2 seasons in Cleveland. He also quickly wore out his welcome in KC where many described his play calling as horrible. He has super bowl rings as an assistant with the Patriots. Everyone does. The guys that deflated the footballs do  too. Even Vladamir Putin has one. Nothing exciting about that. If you are associated with the Pats you are going to get rings. Doesn't mean squat.

 

The Bills needed an OC to bring an NFL level passing attack and make us a legitimate offensive threat. What we got is a retread with a horrible reputation for calling plays and whose only success was with a team that ran the ball every play and won with defense (sound familiar?). Pardon me for not being excited with this hire but we are going to regret this and we will be looking for another OC after next season. Absolutely zero continuity is a good way to ruin a young QB and keep us in .500 purgatory forever

Great post. The only thing worse than watching the 2017 Bills offense is watching the Bama offense. My concern is the history of Daboll being ultra conservative. Those complaints were heard about him throughout his tenure as an NFL OC. I understand that he never had a QB, but he was not a creative OC. It would be very McDermott like to find the most coach Extremely conservative playcalling seems to be part of “the process”.

 

McDermott appears to be a good game planner, and excellent non gameday coach. He and Beane  seem to have a vision of how they want to build a cohesive team. My concern is that McD’s conservatism on gameday will ultimately be his downfall (ala Andy Reid). The Daboll hire seems to play directly into this flaw. Teams who make deep playoff runs are aggressive. I absolutely loved Doug Pederson’s coaching for the Eagles this weekend. We will never see that in Buffalo with McDermott. 

[ricko1112]

5 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

Didn't it look like Ben R audibled into those two terrible 4th and short calls yesterday?

That's what Ross Tucker said. I was listening on the radio. I guess after the debacle at the end of the Steelers/Pats game, Ben didn't trust Haley's play calling. Same results...

[PromoTheRobot]

8 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I'm not so sure about this. He was OC at Alabama. He knows their QBs. Why would he know or even care what other college team's QBs are good at?  Especially ones he didn't play against. How mush does he know about the Allen?  Or Falk? Or any PAC 12 for that matter?

 

I would think the Bills scouting department knows more.

When was the last time Alabama drafted a franchise QB?

8 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Great post. The only thing worse than watching the 2017 Bills offense is watching the Bama offense. My concern is the history of Daboll being ultra conservative. Those complaints were heard about him throughout his tenure as an NFL OC. I understand that he never had a QB, but he was not a creative OC. It would be very McDermott like to find the most coach Extremely conservative playcalling seems to be part of “the process”.

 

McDermott appears to be a good game planner, and excellent non gameday coach. He and Beane  seem to have a vision of how they want to build a cohesive team. My concern is that McD’s conservatism on gameday will ultimately be his downfall (ala Andy Reid). The Daboll hire seems to play directly into this flaw. Teams who make deep playoff runs are aggressive. I absolutely loved Doug Pederson’s coaching for the Eagles this weekend. We will never see that in Buffalo with McDermott. 

You must have missed the 2nd half of the college championship. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Getting the guy who was supposed to be the New England OC is a huge score for us, in that he would come here verses being the guy of the most successful franchise in the NFL.

 

This also tells me we have a plan to either get one of the quality fee agent QBs or draft one.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[Dorkington]

Not at all excited about this. Hoping he proves me wrong. 

[Like A Mofo]

Can we allow ourselves to see what Daboll can do before analyzing and jumping to conclusions?

 

If Daboll is truly a good OC, he will adapt his style and playbook to fit the kind of QB and skillset he has around him.

 

If the Bills have Tyrod at QB then yes, I would expect an offensive similar to what we have had.  If the Bills draft a gunslinger QB, at some point I would expect the playbook to open up.

 

Daboll was blah as a OC before at times sure in the NFL, but he worked under Saban and Belichek. Has been around winning for quite some time. Initially, this works for me.

[Coach Tuesday]

27 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:

 

Interesting. I assumed he audibled with all the stuff he was doing at the line. 

 

Whether or not he audibled, on the second one he had a guy wide open at the sticks and he chose to throw to the deeper read instead.  That was on him.

[Not at the table Karlos]

31 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Not that I've seen, but hopefully Culley is retained and moved to WR coach and we bring in a new QB coach with QB experience and a new OL coach who knows the power scheme.

Holding out hope for dorsey as qbc. I'd like someone who played the position if we can't get dorsey. 

[Teddy KGB]

7 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

No one is throwing a ticker tape parade. I'm just not interested in having your whole "sorry if I'm too real for you" act. No one knows if this is a good hire, but to sit here and complain about it is ignorant absent an actual sample size of current work.

There was a 4 year sample size that was used. 

 

Fridges logic > attacking Kool Aid swigging, excuse makers. 

 

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, Teddy KGB said:

There was a 4 year sample size that was used. 

 

Fridges logic > attacking Kool Aid swigging, excuse makers. 

 

 

 

 

335 posts out of you and we've yet to see a single quality take about anything.

[Teddy KGB]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

335 posts out of you and we've yet to see a single quality take about anything.

 

Gonna cry about it ?  

 

I made 6,000 this year betting on nfl.     Shoo fly 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

There was a 4 year sample size that was used. 

 

Fridges logic > attacking Kool Aid swigging, excuse makers. 

 

 

 

Great !@#$ing analysis.

[billieve420]

6 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

6 hours ago, xRUSHx said:

Haha, just like Tyrod. He gets his OCs fired year one, year two, year three, looks like year 4 will be no different considering he is a easy scape goat to blame with past fail. 

 

 

How exactly is Tyrod responsible for either Roman or Lynn getting fired?

 

I am sure Roman getting fired had nothing to do with calls coming in late and players being unhappy with the play calling in addition to the 500 yds given up on defense against the Jets. Bills were avg on offense and put up over 20 pts without a run game that day. 

 

Lynn was interim HC after Rex mailed in his 2nd opportunity by turning over control to his brother. Lynn interviewed and didn’t get the HC job here which went to McDermott.

 

Edited January 15, 2018 by billieve420

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

335 posts out of you and we've yet to see a single quality take about anything.

 

You need to add in the post counts of his other aliases. Thousands.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Gonna cry about it ?  

 

I made 6,000 this year betting on nfl.     Shoo fly 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Swan:_The_Impact_of_the_Highly_Improbable

 

Take some advice and read this before you blow your winnings genius.

[xRUSHx]

3 minutes ago, billieve420 said:

 

How exactly is Tyrod responsible for either Roman or Lynn getting fired?

 

I am sure Roman getting fired had nothing to do with calls coming in late and players being unhappy with the play calling in addition to the 500 yds given up on defense against the Jets. Bills were avg on offense and put up over 20 pts without a run game that day. 

 

Lynn was interim HC after Rex mailed in his 2nd opportunity by turning over control to his brother. Lynn interviewed and didn’t get the HC job here which went to McDermott.

 

So your saying a new OC every year for Tyrod is not a problem, got it. No trend here of course it is the OC at fault not the QB year one of both staffs. SMH

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, mjt328 said:

Take a look around the NFL.  Most coaches/coordinators are only as good as the players they have on the roster.

Our success on offense (especially in the passing game) will most likely be determined on April 26-27, during the next NFL draft.

 

 

Let's take a close look at some of the other names being thrown around:

 

Mike McCoy was ridiculously successful as an offensive coordinator with the Broncos.  It even earned him a head coaching slot with the Chargers.  Many Bills fans were disappointed last offseason when he chose to return to Denver instead of joining our staff.  One season with Trevor Siemian under center instead of Peyton Manning, and suddenly the guy's reputation is trash.

 

Darrell Bevell had been a hot coaching candidate when the Seahawks were at the top of their game.  He was considered an innovative offensive playcaller.  Marshawn Lynch walks out of town, the running game goes to poop, and suddenly Bevell is a total idiot and the most predictable coordinator on the planet.  Did he forget how to call a football game, or did his talent take a nosedive?

 

Rob Chudzinski's coaching history looks like a roller coaster.  Cam Newton has a great rookie season, and "Chud" is credited with his development.  He goes to the Browns, fails to get anything from Brandon Weeden, and all of a sudden doesn't know anything about developing QBs.  He navigates over to the Colts with Andrew Luck, and somehow his QB genius is restored.  Luck gets hurt, and he becomes an idiot once again.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sensing a theme here: You need a good quarterback!!!!

[xRUSHx]

1 minute ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

I'm sensing a theme here: You need a good quarterback!!!!

Sure is a theme here, a new OC every year but the same failed starting QB.

Edited January 15, 2018 by xRUSHx

[PolishDave]

2 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:

So your saying a new OC every year for Tyrod is not a problem, got it. No trend here of course it is the OC at fault not the QB year one of both staffs. SMH

 

Ha.

 

Anthony Lynn got offered a head coaching job after one year of being Tyrod's offensive coordinator. 

 

Your incessant weak ass bashing is both illogical and tiresome.

 

[xRUSHx]

Just now, PolishDave said:

 

Ha.

 

Anthony Lynn got offered a head coaching job after one year of being Tyrod's offensive coordinator. 

 

Your incessant weak ass bashing is both illogical and tiresome.

 

Does Tyrod have a new OC every year?

[ndirish1978]

20 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

There was a 4 year sample size that was used. 

 

Fridges logic > attacking Kool Aid swigging, excuse makers. 

 

 

 I said current and I'm not running around extolling how excited I am. Please explain to me how complaining for pages and pages on a message board before the guy steps foot in the building is better than saying "huh, hopefully he isn't crap, let's wait and see?"

[PolishDave]

Just now, xRUSHx said:

Does Tyrod have a new OC every year?

 

Promoted to head coach in one year.

 

Let that sink in.

 

Promoted to head coach in one year.

[xRUSHx]

Just now, PolishDave said:

 

Promoted to head coach in one year.

 

Let that sink in.

 

Promoted to head coach in one year.

Let this sink in a new OC for Tyrod every season, EVERY SEASON

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, vincec said:

It’s amazing that he gets a fourth shot at a job that he bombed at the three previous times.

it makes you think that people must really see some potential in him.

Or it reinforces the “old boy network” theory.

 

Well, for sure who you know has a big influence.  In this case, McDermott and Daboll go way back to his first job at William and Mary.

 

I think most supervisors and football is no exception, look at context when evaluating performance. 

Many of us as fans don't look further than the offensive performance and W-L record of the teams where Daboll was OC 6 years ago.

A few look further and say "what did he have as weapons?" look at the list of QB he worked with and how he did with them.

 

I think the guys who are hiring around the league look further and drill into the details of what kind of plays did he design for his guys, how did they execute relative to what they did previously and afterwards.

 

If no one in the NFL got additional shots after bombing their previous shot, the world would have been spared years of Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll (to say nothing of Marv Levy).

 

I think there's a reason we haven't seen Daboll as an OC for 5 years and it's not because he failed in his previous gigs.  He realized he needed to learn more, and he realized he needed to wait and choose his next position carefully, because if he kept accepting scraps and bombing (no matter how little he had to work with and how much he was tied to his boss) he was going to be out of work.  Belichick took him back, remember that (normally he changes the locks)

 

It's certainly not lack of work that brought him to Buffalo at this time - after winning the national title and unveiling a potential new star, there's no reason he couldn't have stayed at Alabama getting paid $1.2M/year and leading Tua Tagovailoa to better success.

 

[JaCrispy]

I just want a comfortable sock that fits!