nuklz2594 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 question? if drew brees was a patriot and brady was a saint....who would have more rings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Easy. Brees. People argue if Brady's made Belichick look good or vice versa. I think it's pretty obvious though that it's a two- way street. They've each contributed to the other's success. Brady might be GOAT but Brees is awfully talented. A Belichick-Brees combo would have been scary good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Brees. Plus the man has class The other is an ass 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Brees. Plus the man has class The other is an ass dilly dilly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 47 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said: question? if drew brees was a patriot and brady was a saint....who would have more rings? The team with the NFL on its side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Tough call but think Brees might be a better QB and one would think as result have similar or better results than Brady. Similar debate if what if we took Marino instead of Kelly in '83. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 But what if Mahomes was a Patriot and Dennison was fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The one player that I really regret the Bills not signing was Drew Brees. After the 2005 season we should have offered him a huge contract and got him here. I remember thinking at the time that he would be a great fit here and then he goes to the Saints. Looking back, how in the hell do the Bills stand pat with Kelly Holcomb and JP Losman when Brees was there for the taking. Brees had some shoulder issues but overrated blowhard Donahoe should have had at least the brainpower to see a stud QB when it was right in front of him. Did Ralph get cheap?? They had just come off a really pathetic season in 2005 as well. Still makes me mad thinking of the missed opportunity. The drought would have been over after 6 seasons had we got him, instead it was another decade on ineptitude!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) The organizational structure of the **Pats over the last 15 years has been much better than that of the Saints. Plus, Brees is a better QB. But Brees was no where close to the player then, that he is now. No one knew Brees would go on to be one of the best QBs of all time. Brady had already won 3 rings at that point. Hard to say, really. What if Bledsoe never gets injured? Or Brees? Edited January 12, 2018 by Drunken Pygmy Goat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Its going to be an interesting Super Bowl match up this year. Pulling for Drew. To answer your question, I think its a lot closer than the media would have you believe, but I take Brady if given the choice. Edited January 12, 2018 by rodneykm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, nuklz2594 said: question? if drew brees was a patriot and brady was a saint....who would have more rings? Seriously, sucks to say, I think Brady has more rings no matter where Brees and Brady played. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Brees, he never had a good defense except his super bowl year. Even though they were more opportunistic than good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 How many rings does Brees win when his top receivers are Wes Welker, Edelman, David Givens, Try Brown and Deoin Branch? And a bunch or retread RBs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How many rings does Brees win when his top receivers are Wes Welker, Edelman, David Givens, Try Brown and Deoin Branch? And a bunch or retread RBs? You mean as opposed to the Devery Hendersons, Willie Sneads, Lance Moores and Robert Meachems of the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: You mean as opposed to the Devery Hendersons, Willie Sneads, Lance Moores and Robert Meachems of the world? I left them out because 3 of them were never Brees's top receivers. You decided not to mention: Colston, Cooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I left them out because 3 of them were never Brees's top receivers. You decided not to mention: Colston, Cooks. And Jimmy Graham. You left out Moss, Gronk and Cooks. Brady has had more offensive talent overall than Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Brees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, nuklz2594 said: question? if drew brees was a patriot and brady was a saint....who would have more rings? Im guessing this will be unanimous mostly of saying that if Brees and Brady had swapped places for their career, that the rings advantage would also swap. However, if we remove Brady hate biased, I don't know its that cut and dry. Belichick is the real deal, and one of the greatest football minds ever. So which ever QB plays for him has a distinct advantage. Plus the Patriots over the same time period have had more talented overall rosters more often than the Saints did. HOWEVER: Brady, IMO, is still the better overall QB. I don't know that Brees automatically has the same rings Brady does. Brees is a different QB outdoors, on the road, etc then when he is at home, in a dome, etc. Brady is lethal where ever he goes. I dont think going to NE would beat the Pats would be as tough against a Brees led version vs a Brady led version because Brady is without question the better outdoor and bad weather QB. So I would still say that if they switched teams, that Brees probably has more rings than Brady given the BB presence and the better rosters...but he would NOT have had as much success as Brady in NE or as many rings as Brady does now as a Pat. And on the flip side, I think Brady would have more than 1 ring had he had been a Saint instead. Brees is one of the GOAT's for sure, but comparatively Brady is better. Edited January 12, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 31 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: And Jimmy Graham. You left out Moss, Gronk and Cooks. Brady has had more offensive talent overall than Brees. Moss was legit, but was only their leading receiver once. Cooks has never been the pats leading reciver. Gronk has been leading receiver in the twilight of Brady's career---and Brady won a SB last year without Gronk (Edelman was leading receiver), to go with the 3 other rings he got before he met Gronk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Moss was legit, but was only their leading receiver once. Cooks has never been the pats leading reciver. Gronk has been leading receiver in the twilight of Brady's career---and Brady won a SB last year without Gronk (Edelman was leading receiver), to go with the 3 other rings he got before he met Gronk. Would that point to Brees being able to get more out of his WR's than Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Would that point to Brees being able to get more out of his WR's than Brady? Only if you don't consider everything else I posted above indicating the opposite... Look what Brady did with Welker and Edelman Edited January 12, 2018 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Only if you don't consider everything else I posted above indicating the opposite... In reality, we only have 1 WR who played with both QB's in the near peaks of their careers. That WR was clearly better with Brees than with Brady. Isn't that stronger evidence than any hypotheticals you care to muster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: In reality, we only have 1 WR who played with both QB's in the near peaks of their careers. That WR was clearly better with Brees than with Brady. Isn't that stronger evidence than any hypotheticals you care to muster? Cooks caught for over 1000 yards (not much different than 2 best years in NO), had highest career YPC and he wasn't even the teams top receiver, so the obvious answer is no. Hypotheticals? It's long been true that Brady's had to make stars out of lesser players as the roster has high turnover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Cooks caught for over 1000 yards (not much different than 2 best years in NO), had highest career YPC and he wasn't even the teams top receiver, so the obvious answer is no. Hypotheticals? It's long been true that Brady's had to make stars out of lesser players as the roster has high turnover How do you define top receiver? Cooks was the most targeted Patriot in the passing game this year. He also had more catches, more TD's and more yards in the last two years in NO compared to this year in NE. How do you define "stars?" How do you claim that Brees hasn't had his own fair share of WR's he's propped up? Edited January 12, 2018 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Tough call but think Brees might be a better QB and one would think as result have similar or better results than Brady. Similar debate if what if we took Marino instead of Kelly in '83. As much as it pains me to say it, I think we'd have at least 1 SB win. Ironically, Marino fell in the draft due to a false report of drug use, and as it turned out the Bills lost their SBs largely because Kelly just could'nt NOT party during Super Bowl week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Brady would still have more rings. When Brady has had a full offense he has put up numbers better then Brees anyway, but they both do what their teams ask of them to and are magnificent QB's to watch. To me I do look at the post season and Brady has been masterful there. Brees has been good in his chances but truthfully I would bet Vikings this weekend over Brees and the Saints. If Brady was the QB it'd be NOLA. Also elements do matter Brady is good outside, inside, good weather, bad weather etc.. Brees does have a bit of regression outdoors. In the end it just is preference. Some Bills fans will never give Brady his due because he is on our rivals and will find any criticism they can against him the same way Falcon or Panther fans probably do with Brees and that is straight up preference/bias. Personally I think Peyton Manning while one of the all time greats is actually below Brady and Brees but many others would have him ahead of both. It really just comes down to what you value to decide your hierarchy. I do value post-season performance and stats together, others only one or the other. If you were asking straight up who is the best QB in terms of perfection to the position I would say Aaron Rodgers, but he only has one ring and I would argue his team/mgmt holds him back in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: How many rings does Brees win when his top receivers are Wes Welker, Edelman, David Givens, Try Brown and Deoin Branch? And a bunch or retread RBs? That's an extremely valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdox Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The Patriots offensive game plan is more important than the QBs in my opinion. The Patriots have plugged guys like Cassel into that offense and they were successful. So, I have no doubt that Brees could have been successful in it as well. What makes that offense so unique is that it requires a certain type of receiver to be successful. The Patriots organization excels at recognizing otherwise average talent that will be successful in that offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 What the? Tom Brady is the best player I have seen, at his position, in any professional sport. I'm not convinced that Drew Brees is even considered to be in the Top Five all time Quarterbacks. I would throw Gretzky in there with Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Murdox said: The Patriots offensive game plan is more important than the QBs in my opinion. The Patriots have plugged guys like Cassel into that offense and they were successful. So, I have no doubt that Brees could have been successful in it as well. What makes that offense so unique is that it requires a certain type of receiver to be successful. The Patriots organization excels at recognizing otherwise average talent that will be successful in that offense. This argument really pisses me off. The year they plugged Cassel in the Pats had just went 18-1 with the exact same lineup coming back. It wasn't like this was some average division winner with some talent, they were one David Tyree insane catch from being the best team period the previous year and many have wondered what that team would've been had Brady been healthy in 08. Other then that they've plugged Jimmy G for a whopping game and half and Jacoby Brisset for two and half games. Who else exactly have they "plugged in"? Every great offense ever has been a product of great QB and with a scheme that their talent maximizes. Dan Fouts Air Corryell, Joe Montana West Coast, Jim Kelly K Gun etc... There is a reason why the offenses are hard to replicate at those levels yet are copied soo much. Brady has done an excellent job working a system that maximizes his slot WR and TE in the middle to create space while having a deep threat on the outside to break the defense. I would rather Buffalo fans who can't stand the Patriots/Brady to any degree just say so and be done because the bias shows so dam badly and wrecks good conversations like this comparing two great QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Moss was legit, but was only their leading receiver once. Cooks has never been the pats leading reciver. Gronk has been leading receiver in the twilight of Brady's career---and Brady won a SB last year without Gronk (Edelman was leading receiver), to go with the 3 other rings he got before he met Gronk. Im just speaking in terms of talent. That Corey Dillon year made me sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: How many rings does Brees win when his top receivers are Wes Welker, Edelman, David Givens, Try Brown and Deoin Branch? And a bunch or retread RBs? The same or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, corta765 said: Brady would still have more rings. When Brady has had a full offense he has put up numbers better then Brees anyway, but they both do what their teams ask of them to and are magnificent QB's to watch. To me I do look at the post season and Brady has been masterful there. Brees has been good in his chances but truthfully I would bet Vikings this weekend over Brees and the Saints. If Brady was the QB it'd be NOLA. Also elements do matter Brady is good outside, inside, good weather, bad weather etc.. Brees does have a bit of regression outdoors. In the end it just is preference. Some Bills fans will never give Brady his due because he is on our rivals and will find any criticism they can against him the same way Falcon or Panther fans probably do with Brees and that is straight up preference/bias. Personally I think Peyton Manning while one of the all time greats is actually below Brady and Brees but many others would have him ahead of both. It really just comes down to what you value to decide your hierarchy. I do value post-season performance and stats together, others only one or the other. If you were asking straight up who is the best QB in terms of perfection to the position I would say Aaron Rodgers, but he only has one ring and I would argue his team/mgmt holds him back in that regard. BB is just so important. I think pound for pound, Brady is better than Brees. The question is if having the GOAT at coaching gives Brees the edge over Brady to win more. I say yes. I actually think Peyton and BB win more than Brady with Dungy too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: What the? Tom Brady is the best player I have seen, at his position, in any professional sport. I'm not convinced that Drew Brees is even considered to be in the Top Five all time Quarterbacks. I would throw Gretzky in there with Brady. ...have to agree.....Brees has always been a "ME" guy and put strains on Saints' cap situation with his salary demands.......and to carry "ME" a step forward, he's always been a stat boy.......STRICTLY my opinion, but 2 traits that do NOT warm me up to him.....hate 'em all you want, but Brady and Belichick are in a league of their own........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) Brees, but he wouldn't have 5 rings I don't think. He would probably have 3-4 with NE, and Brady would probably have 2 in NO. Just a guess of course, no one has any idea. Brees is a great QB but he's not Tom Brady 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: The same or more. No way he would have more than 5 rings. You think Brees is a better QB than Brady? Throw out who had the better teams/defences/playmakers. If you have to pick a QB to win 1 game (both in their primes) who do you take, Brady or Brees? Edited January 13, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 In this scenario does Brees agree to play with a contact well below market value in order that his team be able to be stocked with additional talent, or does he have the same contracts he's played under in New Orleans which forced the Saints to make very tough personnel decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I often think the dome issue is overhyped but I think it’s got to be a factor in this conversation. I’m not sure Brees has the build to have sustained success in the elements the way Brady has. I think if you gave brees the entire pats organization dropped into nola he’d have a MONSTER career. If you send drew to Boston, I’m not sure what happens 5 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: In this scenario does Brees agree to play with a contact well below market value in order that his team be able to be stocked with additional talent, or does he have the same contracts he's played under in New Orleans which forced the Saints to make very tough personnel decisions? To be honest- Drew’s contract has paid him very well, but it’s nowhere near they top reasons the saints had major cap struggles. Gallette and Graham were waaaaay bigger issues. Among several others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Brady is a killer in the playoffs.....when it matters....Brees, not as much..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Iron Maiden said: Brady is a killer in the playoffs.....when it matters....Brees, not as much..... In 12 games he has over 3900 yards 26 TDs and 7ints extrapolates that’s over 5200 yards 35 TDs and 9 ints for a 16 game “season” its a 7-5 playoff record but honestly 2 of those he lost on the defense giving up a final drive score after he took the lead and one was an OT loss with the chargers (don’t remember the story) hes been pretty excellent in the post season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: In 12 games he has over 3900 yards 26 TDs and 7ints extrapolates that’s over 5200 yards 35 TDs and 9 ints for a 16 game “season” its a 7-5 playoff record but honestly 2 of those he lost on the defense giving up a final drive score after he took the lead and one was an OT loss with the chargers (don’t remember the story) hes been pretty excellent in the post season Don't get me wrong...Brees is an excellent QB...but compare to Brady, it's not really close.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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