How should the Bills address the QB situation, defend your position

[Nihilarian]

If the Bills had Alex Smith or Kirk Cousins at QB this year they beat the Jags, contend for the division and perhaps even make it to the SB. 

 

Both QB's passed for 4000+ yards. Smith had 26 TDs, 5 INTs. Cousins had 27 TDs, 13 INTs. Just from a turnover standpoint, I'd take Alex Smith over Cousins and he should be cheaper. 17 mill vs 19 mill and Cousins will get 25 mill this year IMO.  I think the Chiefs would be so very foolish to get rid of Smith. 

[Luxy312]

If there's a QB out there either in free agency or available through a trade that the front office believes can be "the franchise", they should go out and get him.  It doesn't matter if that player is Cousins, Keenum or someone else.  The precaution of following this route is that you now have given a huge contract and locked up quite a bit of money for a number of years.  In short, the front office has to feel like the guy that they do this with is better than anything that they could do in the draft.  I would also want to point out that very few journeymen have become something special with a new team.  Lots of caution in this approach.

If there isn't one of those guys, then obviously you need to look to the draft.  Given where they pick, there's a couple of options for addressing the position.  Similar to above, if there's a guy that stands out from the field, you trade up to get him.  If there's a guy that fits this description, he's your starter in 2018.  I don't care what the position is, you do not trade up in the first round to put a guy on the bench.

If there isn't a standout among the field, they sit tight with their two picks, they take best available QB with one of them.  Several of the options are pure pocket passers and I would want to have a veteran on the team to mentor.  Tyrod can't really be the guy for Rosen, Darnold, Rosen or Rudolph.  However, give me a Baker Mayfield or Lamar Jackson, and I would not necessarily be opposed to bringing Taylor back on another 1 year deal.  I would make the situation similar to a few years ago and let them all play to be the starter in the preseason.

 

That's just me.  I do also want to point out that the Bills have started enough journeymen since their last true franchise QB.  The idea of coddling one of these young potential talents seems like a complete waste of time.  Put them on the field, see what you have and if necessary draft another one next year.  That simple to me.

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Just from a turnover standpoint, I'd take Alex Smith over Cousins and he should be cheaper. 

 

Don't care about turnovers or the cost. Just want a quarterback capable of making plays (with his arm).

[WhoTom]

17 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

I think they should call him "MR." or "DR." but only if applicable.

 

How would you address the QB?

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Who]

I don't think Cousins is particularly clutch and I doubt he will live up to the contract he will be given.  That said, I would consider him at the right price.  I just wouldn't give him 30 million a year.  If he is subject to a bidding war, I definitely have a drop out point.  Alex Smith is a bridge qb only.  I wouldn't spend more than a third round pick to get him.  My preference is to get a qb in the draft.  If you hit, you have a cost controlled player at the most important and expensive position in football and can devote cap dollars towards multiple other positions in free agency.  I think one could bring in DL and OL help in free agency.

 

I like Mayfield a lot.  He is the fella I would target in the draft.  Darnold and Rosen will be too expensive to get, imo, and when all is said and done, I'm not convinced they will be better than Mayfield.  Obviously, I don't believe he is Johnny Football 2.0.  Mayfield is dedicated to playing qb.  His teammates love him.  He shows real leadership.  I like his fire.  The immaturity will naturally go away with time, imo.  I think his playmaking ability will transfer to the NFL.  Still, if you draft a qb high, you still need a veteran presence.  Smith could play that role.  If not, I'd see about the price on the Minnesota qbs or see if a savvy vet like McCown shakes loose.

[K-Apps]

I say sign either Bridgewater or McCarron since both will not command a high salary and can a bridge to a young developing QB.

 

Find a diamond in the rough QB in the 3rd-4th round, we aren’t getting any of the top QBs so reason to waste a the top picks on a project QB when the team has so many other issues and lacks talent everywhere. 

[ndirish1978]

4 minutes ago, K-Apps said:

I say sign either Bridgewater or McCarron since both will not command a high salary and can a bridge to a young developing QB.

 

Find a diamond in the rough QB in the 3rd-4th round, we aren’t getting any of the top QBs so reason to waste a the top picks on a project QB when the team has so many other issues and lacks talent everywhere. 

 

This is the losing mentality that kept us out of the playoffs for 17 years. You're basically asking for Orton/EJ 2, oh except EJ was a first round pick and theoretically had a higher chance of being better than your mid-round hail mary.   

[K-Apps]

Just now, ndirish1978 said:

 

This is the losing mentality that kept us out of the playoffs for 17 years. You're basically asking for Orton/EJ 2, oh except EJ was a first round pick and theoretically had a higher chance of being better than your mid-round hail mary.   

 

How is it losing mentality if overall roster is stronger with better players sans QB. Look at the Vikings, they have a great roster filled with players they drafted. To me, strengthening the roster is more important than getting a QB in this draft. The biggest problem during the streak was drafting based on supposed needs instead of drafting BPA and not smart drafting plans. Biggest mistake any team can make in the forcing picks, numerous teams including the Bills can done this especially in terms of QB, just look at the 2011 Draft.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

31 minutes ago, K-Apps said:

I say sign either Bridgewater or McCarron since both will not command a high salary and can a bridge to a young developing QB.

 

Find a diamond in the rough QB in the 3rd-4th round, we aren’t getting any of the top QBs so reason to waste a the top picks on a project QB when the team has so many other issues and lacks talent everywhere. 

 

 

...Vikes have nobody under contract.......so odd man out from a health perspective would be Bradford (and no NOT in Bflo) with their efforts to sign Keenum and Bridgewater....never understood why we didn't take a flyer on McCarron in the 4th out of 'Bama.....pedestrian, nothing flashy, but smart and cerebral steady with the football (or Dalton in the 2nd out of TCU for that matter)......OBD has the knack for finding cubic zirconia in the "3rd or 4th"....after all, OBD is the "Master of QB Selection and Development" post Kelly.....check their historical "list".....hell even Waste Management would decline pickup.......definitely picking in the 1st and my wild guess is Rudolph, safe and non-sexy is there at 21......

Edited January 11, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Paulus]

They need to draft that BArkley kid from USC> 

 

 

 

No.

Edited January 11, 2018 by Paulus

[ndirish1978]

Just now, K-Apps said:

 

How is it losing mentality if overall roster is stronger with better players sans QB. Look at the Vikings, they have a great roster filled with players they drafted. To me, strengthening the roster is more important than getting a QB in this draft. The biggest problem during the streak was drafting based on supposed needs instead of drafting BPA and not smart drafting plans. Biggest mistake any team can make in the forcing picks, numerous teams including the Bills can done this especially in terms of QB, just look at the 2011 Draft.

 

Please tell me the last time a non-elite QB won the Superbowl? Answer: 2002 and it was Brad Johnson. The last great example of winning how you want to win occurred SIXTEEN YEARS ago. Here are the QBs who have won the SB since Johnson:

 

Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs

 

This team will go nowhere without a QB. We have been afraid to pull the trigger and actually spend the capital to draft a franchise QB, but we can trade 2 1sts for a WR who didn't even play out his rookie contract for some reason? I'm tired of having no shot at winning games in the 4th quarter when we're down. I'm sick and tired of having no long term plan at QB and everyone's "let's just get someone who isn't terrible, QB can be "next year's problem."

 

 

 

[NewEra]

39 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

This is the losing mentality that kept us out of the playoffs for 17 years. You're basically asking for Orton/EJ 2, oh except EJ was a first round pick and theoretically had a higher chance of being better than your mid-round hail mary.   

Agreed.

[K-Apps]

3 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Please tell me the last time a non-elite QB won the Superbowl? Answer: 2002 and it was Brad Johnson. The last great example of winning how you want to win occurred SIXTEEN YEARS ago. Here are the QBs who have won the SB since Johnson:

 

Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs

 

This team will go nowhere without a QB. We have been afraid to pull the trigger and actually spend the capital to draft a franchise QB, but we can trade 2 1sts for a WR who didn't even play out his rookie contract for some reason? I'm tired of having no shot at winning games in the 4th quarter when we're down. I'm sick and tired of having no long term plan at QB and everyone's "let's just get someone who isn't terrible, QB can be "next year's problem."

 

 

 

 And tell me you think the Bills are any shot at getting any of those supposed QB prospects and do the Bills have the offensive coaching and personnel currently for any young QB to succeed?, answer those questions well and I’ll consider you to be right. And btw, Flacco, Eli, and Wilson when he won are not elite QBs imo, solid but both Ravens and Giants were decent teams with good defenses. You don’t need a star QB, it just that the Pats have the greatest coach and QB combo and everybody goes gag over. To really need a well-balanced team and is good on both sides of the ball. And that’s been one of the Bills biggest problem. 

Edited January 12, 2018 by K-Apps

[3rdand12]

On 1/10/2018 at 9:24 PM, Batman1876 said:

I agree You don’t let the guy that won you double digit games walk and then keep the guys who spend multiple seasons on IR.

and why i want Teddy.
consider that a bridge while drafting something decent .

 

gotta draft smart at QB this year. and next

[KingRex]

6 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

 

 

Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs

The interesting about this list is that there are so few names on it as the key to winning the SB seems to be have a QB named Tom Brady.

 

I think that analysis based on this one outcome (winning the SB) os a bit too limited for realistic analysis.  For example, the realistic goal for the Bills this year was merely find a QB capable of getting this team into the playoffs.  Congrats to TT for doing this, but see ya later and don't let the door hit ya on the way out as it is very doubtful you can lead us to the new goal which is to go deep in the playoffs.

 

If you want your analysis to be relevant to reality, you might expand your universe of QBs to looking for patterns of the 4 QBs who led their team to the conference final..

 

Is there any consistency in how this pool is acquired?

[Teddy KGB]

6 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Please tell me the last time a non-elite QB won the Superbowl? Answer: 2002 and it was Brad Johnson. The last great example of winning how you want to win occurred SIXTEEN YEARS ago. Here are the QBs who have won the SB since Johnson:

 

Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs

 

This team will go nowhere without a QB. We have been afraid to pull the trigger and actually spend the capital to draft a franchise QB, but we can trade 2 1sts for a WR who didn't even play out his rookie contract for some reason? I'm tired of having no shot at winning games in the 4th quarter when we're down. I'm sick and tired of having no long term plan at QB and everyone's "let's just get someone who isn't terrible, QB can be "next year's problem."

 

 

 

 

Brad Johnson was better than any of our QBs.  

[Freddie's Dead]

On 1/10/2018 at 9:11 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

1. Go all-in on Kirk Cousins.

 

2. If #1 fails, try to get either Case Keenum or Teddy Bridgewater. Then choose a quarterback with one of the first four picks in the draft (21, 22, 53, or 56).

 

3. If #1 and #2 fail, trade for Alex Smith then draft a quarterback with one of the first four picks in the draft (21, 22, 53, or 56) or trade up for a QB.

 

4. Trade draft picks 21 and 22 for a Top 10 pick and choose a QB. Let Peterman and the rookie battle it out in training camp for the starting spot.

This.  

[sjjr]

12 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Please tell me the last time a non-elite QB won the Superbowl? Answer: 2002 and it was Brad Johnson. The last great example of winning how you want to win occurred SIXTEEN YEARS ago. Here are the QBs who have won the SB since Johnson:

 

Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs
Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs
Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs
Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs

 

This team will go nowhere without a QB. We have been afraid to pull the trigger and actually spend the capital to draft a franchise QB, but we can trade 2 1sts for a WR who didn't even play out his rookie contract for some reason? I'm tired of having no shot at winning games in the 4th quarter when we're down. I'm sick and tired of having no long term plan at QB and everyone's "let's just get someone who isn't terrible, QB can be "next year's problem."

 

 

 

All of these teams had top defenses that got key takeaways in big moments.  Roethlisberger, Brady, Flacco, Wilson, E.Manning and even Peyton Manning's 2nd superbowl win were about them not making big mistakes, making a few key plays in big moments and the Defense dominating.

 

To me, this list shows that an elite defense is required more often than an elite QB carrying the team (Brees and Rodgers here).

[Max Fischer]

On 1/10/2018 at 9:11 PM, simool said:

How: Whatever Beane and McDermott decide to do.

Why: It's their job.

 

 

 

^This. No one should should be upset with this answer nor fight to the death on any other. 

 

Having said that I could be little disappointed in a few scenarios including mortgaging a ton of picks to get top 5 pick or overpaying for a FA. But if they do, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. 

[mead107]

Draft Mayfield, he knows how to grab his balls ? 

[BuffaloHogan]

Preferred: all in for cousins, use picks to make team better

 

I'll take it: all in for a top 5 pick (probably darnold, Rosen or Mayfield); start the guy in the fall

 

Oh God please no: find a placeholder veteran (Smith, keenum, etc), draft a guy with the picks we have, groom him to start in a couple years.

[Royale with Cheese]

Joe Marino, NFL draft analyst was on WGR and says the Bills are interested in Mason Rudolph.

He says this because he's sat in the same press box with Brandon Beane twice at OSU games.  He said you don't see a guy twice if you're not interested.

He didn't say whether or not they had conversations, just that Beane was in attendance twice.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Royale with Cheese

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Joe Marino, NFL draft analyst was on WGR and says the Bills are interested in Mason Rudolph.

He says this because he's sat in the same press box with Brandon Beane twice at OSU games.  He said you don't see a guy twice if you're not interested.

He didn't say whether or not they had conversations, just that Beane was in attendance twice.

One was the bowl game against VT!

[MrEpsYtown]

I think we have to look at our coach and GM. There are a lot of possibilities out there, but if their tendencies are any indication, I think we can rule some things out. 

 

1. I don't think there is any way we sign Kirk Cousins. Cutting half the team to sign a soon to be 30 year old quarterback 30 million a year is the opposite of "responsible spending." I don't think hitching their careers on Cousins is going to be seen as a wise move for Beane and McDermott. They have the support of the Pegulas so they have an opportunity to bring in a bridge and draft a young guy. The idea is to have long term stability at the QB spot. Bringing in a guy who is already 30, and really not special doesn't seem to fit that bill. We can easily be outbid by the Browns and the Jets. Both Todd Bowles and Hue Jackson have a short time to turn this thing around to save their careers. I think they go the veteran route. 

 

2. I can't see this regime drafting Baker Mayfield. He's a playmaker sure, but he just doesn't check many of the "process" boxes for McDermott and Beane. He does have the leadership qualities they talk about, but Beane has consistently emphasized having a guy who can win from inside the pocket. I don't think they are hitching their careers on what he calls a "sandlot" quarterback. I personally think he is going to get physically destroyed at the NFL level. I like Mayfield, I just don't think there is any way they are going to draft him. He is very similar to Tyrod in a lot of ways with size and escapability, though he is less athletic than Tyrod. Mayfield is definitely a better thrower of the football, but he just won't check enough boxes in the process.  That's not even including the arrests and crotch grabbing stuff (which is putting yourself before the team). 

 

I'm a bit weary on Josh Rosen, but I think he is everything they look for in a quarterback. I think it really depends on how their meetings with Rosen go. You have to get in the room and get to know the kid. Reports about his teammates hating him seem to be false. That said, I feel like their true target is going to be the squeaky clean Darnold. Beane mentioned draft capital, and last year they moved around the board to get the guys they wanted. Trading up for Zay Jones and Dion Dawkins shows that they are willing to be aggressive in their pursuit of their targeted players. I think they make the Browns or Giants an offer they can't refuse. The idea that Beane thinks about draft picks as capital makes me feel feel pretty good about the fact that they are willing to jump all the way up the board.  It has worked for Philly and LA in recent years. We can't settle for the "JP Losman" 4th quarterback off the board. Its Rosen, Darnold, or nothing at all in my opinion. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

One was the bowl game against VT!

 

What do you think of Rudolph?  Marino said that he believes he's going to be a low end starter like a Chad Henne as far as his projection.

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

What do you think of Rudolph?  Marino said that he believes he's going to be a low end starter like a Chad Henne as far as his projection.

I think his ceiling is probably Joe Flacco, though he gets it done a bit differently. Joe has more arm strength, but Rudolph's is adequate and in a WCO system I think he could see similar success.  I like him in the second half of the first.

[BigBuff423]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What do you think of Rudolph?  Marino said that he believes he's going to be a low end starter like a Chad Henne as far as his projection.

 

I know this question was posed to someone else, but I hope you don't mind if I reply...

 

I like Rudolph, IMHO, he checks all the boxes....now to be transparent, I was initially on the fence with him up to November, then as time has gone on and I've watched more of him and taken a look at his stats over the last 3 years, I've become more impressed. FWIW, Mason Rudolph and Baker Mayfield are the ONLY two notable QBs that completely hit the list of Bill Parcells' requirements for a QB. Some believe in it, some don't....what I think Parcells valued was taking care of the ball, passing from the pocket, commanding the Offense and knowing how to audible, and being a good leader....some say Mason's arm isn't "good enough" and I just don't see it....he makes long passes with relative ease and zips the ball in tight windows...his completion percentage has climbed from 63% to 64% to 65%, while he piled up more than 1,200 yards of IMPROVEMENT from his Sophmore year when he started to his Senior year, he continued to add TDs by the bunches from year 1 to year 3 while his INTs remained steady (9,4,9) and he hits the 6'5" mark along with being a Senior and won the Johnny Unitas award....

 

To me, if the Bills go 1st round pick, and DON'T trade up into the top 5 for Darnold or Rosen (which IMHO I don't think they will and I don't think they should), Mason Rudolph is the guy. When you take Brandon Beane's comments into context from an interview earlier this week where he says they're going to pick their QB they believe is best, regardless of scheme or design by the Offensive Coordinator, AND that it is up to the OC and coaches to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, Rudolph is the guy. 

Edited January 12, 2018 by BigBuff423

[Chuck Wagon]

Sell the farm for Darnold or Rosen.  #21 / #22 / #56 / 2019 1st to move up to 1 or 2 (or 3).

 

We simply haven't had anyone of their upside in over 2 decades.  Sure, you'll occasionally hit a diamond in the rough, but the vast majority of "franchise" QBs are guys who were picked at the top of the draft.  I would like to see us be aggressive in FA and sign Allen Robinson and one of Tyrell WIlliams / John Brown / Paul Richardson (all guys who can make plays down the field).

 

That gives us a well rounded receiver group for the rookie:

 

WR "#1" - Robinson

Big Target - Benjamin

Deep Threat - Williams, Brown or Richardson

Slot- Zay Jones or Thompson

 

It's a DEEP RB draft class, so use our 3rd or 4th round pick on a guy who can truly compliment Shady and really build some high quality weapons around the rookie QB.

[SouthNYfan]

As much as I like cousins, 4000-4700yds, 81td-35int last 3 full years as a starter, he's gonna be expensive and long term.

He wants job security and $$.

We will be in a bidding war for him with Denver and a few others.

He's gonna be 30.

The best thing that could happen to us is Dever signs him early, taking away one of our draft competitors.

 

My plan, ideally?

 

-cut Tyrod. His salary jumps and he's due a big roster bonus. Get rid of him. 

 

-trade up for Rosen or darnold will be pricey, so I'd weigh the cost as a "game time decision"

 

-trading into the top 8-12 range would be cheaper and still plenty available (Rudolph, Mayfield, Allen) most likely we'd have our choice of them at that point

 

-if you can get a sturdy, relatively cheap vet to start ahead of the rookie then do so, but ffs don't sign bridgewater or Bradford. Teddy almost had his leg amputated from his injury, a tib dislocation is one of the worst injuries you can have to the knee, I wouldn't trust him to make it through a season.

[Royale with Cheese]

33 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

As much as I like cousins, 4000-4700yds, 81td-35int last 3 full years as a starter, he's gonna be expensive and long term.

He wants job security and $$.

We will be in a bidding war for him with Denver and a few others.

He's gonna be 30.

The best thing that could happen to us is Dever signs him early, taking away one of our draft competitors.

 

My plan, ideally?

 

-cut Tyrod. His salary jumps and he's due a big roster bonus. Get rid of him. 

 

-trade up for Rosen or darnold will be pricey, so I'd weigh the cost as a "game time decision"

 

-trading into the top 8-12 range would be cheaper and still plenty available (Rudolph, Mayfield, Allen) most likely we'd have our choice of them at that point

 

-if you can get a sturdy, relatively cheap vet to start ahead of the rookie then do so, but ffs don't sign bridgewater or Bradford. Teddy almost had his leg amputated from his injury, a tib dislocation is one of the worst injuries you can have to the knee, I wouldn't trust him to make it through a season.

 

Does this not make your stomach turn a little bit looking at this?

A guy from my high school died from this injury while skiing.  Apparently the body can go into such deep shock that it can't recover.

 

[dollars 2 donuts]

On 1/10/2018 at 8:52 PM, Batman1876 said:

Every year (at least at the old board) the forum is flooded with QB threads regarding the draft and free agency. This year in particular there is a ton of options, lots of free agents and draft realevant QBs, and the Bills have clearly indicated a desire to make a change.

 

So what do you think the team should do at the QB position?

what would it take to get that done?

and what risks do you see involved with it your preference?

 

 

If Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield are in their top three and they love one (or all) of them, go all in and get your man.

 

If one is still available at 3 or 4, then send #21, 22, a second rounder and maybe something else from this year, or 2019 (but not a 1 or a 2 from 2019).  Defend it?  Look, they've had holes for a while.  I'd rather have holes with a "serious" potential franchise QB than more holes filled without him.

 

Risks?  No one wants to dance because they need a QB or the price is too high...higher than what I have stated above.  If that is the case, do the veteran bridge (Alex Smith) and draft Rudolph or Jackson.

 

Why I would not get Cousins:  He may be great, but being in the neighborhood of $140 million you better be darn sure as you are not getting rid of him after year two if things don't work out.  This is your guy for at least 4 years.  Rather take my chances for a couple years on a young franchise QB for 5-6 million per year.

Edited January 12, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[SouthNYfan]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Does this not make your stomach turn a little bit looking at this?

A guy from my high school died from this injury while skiing.  Apparently the body can go into such deep shock that it can't recover.

 

 

Yeah man.

I'm a orthopedic physical therapist.

Seen the injury once.

That's enough for me.

All the soft tissue damage to the joint capsule, ligaments, vascular structures and cartilage is enough to leave that knee a ticking time bomb.

 

I would trust Bradford's knees over Bridgewater.

Anybody who says otherwise doesn't really know knee injuries.

[ndirish1978]

10 hours ago, KingRex said:

The interesting about this list is that there are so few names on it as the key to winning the SB seems to be have a QB named Tom Brady.

 

I think that analysis based on this one outcome (winning the SB) os a bit too limited for realistic analysis.  For example, the realistic goal for the Bills this year was merely find a QB capable of getting this team into the playoffs.  Congrats to TT for doing this, but see ya later and don't let the door hit ya on the way out as it is very doubtful you can lead us to the new goal which is to go deep in the playoffs.

 

If you want your analysis to be relevant to reality, you might expand your universe of QBs to looking for patterns of the 4 QBs who led their team to the conference final..

 

Is there any consistency in how this pool is acquired?

 

Seriously? What you're really saying here is "these facts don't fit the narrative I'm trying to push so let me change the question and call it 'realistic'." Feel free to lower your bar if you'd like to, the goal is to win a Superbowl, not get to a conference championship.

[Bring it]

Imo Mcbean’s tenure absolutely depends on finding a Qb that can score more points and sustain more drives(field position).

 

  -we try for already seasoned Qb like Cousins or Keenum. These are more long term answers that would tie up a lot of cash and cap. Especially Cousins! 

  Alex Smith or even Eli Manning would be a short term bridge to developing a young Qb.

Im much more in support of these options rather than drafting a Qb and starting him day one. I’m not saying if a good prospect falls to us that we shouldn’t take him , just not burn a lot of picks to do it!!

 

Use the picks to upgrade the right side of the o-line, linebacker and d-line. I think we should bring in a deep threat wr to help spread the defense more. Drafting a fast ,downhill, one cut rb to compliment Shady would help. 

 

Imo we get a Qb that can make this team better immediately rather than going all in on a rookie. We drafted Jim Kelly without moving up to the top five to get him. When he finally suited up as a Bill(after USFL)he was a much more seasoned Qb and immediately made his presence felt!!

 

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Seriously? What you're really saying here is "these facts don't fit the narrative I'm trying to push so let me change the question and call it 'realistic'." Feel free to lower your bar if you'd like to, the goal is to win a Superbowl, not get to a conference championship.

 

Exactly.

Why do you think the broncos signed Manning on his last legs?

Short term, win now, let's get a Superbowl.

That's the ultimate goal.

To win it all.

Preferably while building a team that competes year in year out for the Superbowl.

 

 

[Chuck Wagon]

38 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

If Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield are in their top three and they love one (or all) of them, go all in and get your man.

 

If one is still available at 3 or 4, then send #21, 22, a second rounder and maybe something else from this year, or 2019 (but not a 1 or a 2 from 2019).  Defend it?  Look, they've had holes for a while.  I'd rather have holes with a "serious" potential franchise QB than more holes filled without him.

 

Risks?  No one wants to dance because they need a QB or the price is too high...higher than what I have stated above.  If that is the case, do the veteran bridge (Alex Smith) and draft Rudolph or Jackson.

 

Why I would not get Cousins:  He may be great, but being in the neighborhood of $140 million you better be darn sure as you are not getting rid of him after year two if things don't work out.  This is your guy for at least 4 years.  Rather take my chances for a couple years on a young franchise QB for 5-6 million per year.

 

 

Yep.  In a way, we are really talking about giving up a 1st next year to get one of the top evaluated guys, if they got Tre White with pick #10 last year and he did what he did, we'd all be happy and they weren't going to resign Sammy, so getting a 2nd for him (plus Gaines) is bonus too.  If the Browns / Giants / Colts aren't taking a QB with their pick, I think they would be crazy to not put the pick up for auction.  Then it would come down to our extra picks being enough to overcome one of the top 3 just dropping to ~6th.

Edited January 12, 2018 by Chuck Wagon

[dollars 2 donuts]

12 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

Yep.  In a way, we are really talking about giving up a 1st next year to get one of the top evaluated guys, if they got Tre White with pick #10 last year and he did what he did, we'd all be happy and they weren't going to resign Sammy, so getting a 2nd for him (plus Gaines) is bonus too.  If the Browns / Giants / Colts aren't taking a QB with their pick, I think they would be crazy to not put the pick up for auction.  Then it would come down to our extra picks being enough to overcome one of the top 3 just dropping to ~6th.

 

 

Indeed, Chuck.

 

Ya know what else?  We have been horrrrrrrrrible at keeping our own guys, or wanting them to stay on our team.  Don't get me wrong, I want us to sign and keep our guys for stability.

 

However, I am just not going to have "filling the many holes" be the deciding factor when it comes down to whether or not we should go after a franchise QB.

[Chuck Wagon]

2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

Indeed, Chuck.

 

Ya know what else?  We have been horrrrrrrrrible at keeping our own guys, or wanting them to stay on our team.  Don't get me wrong, I want us to sign and keep our guys for stability.

 

However, I am just not going to have "filling the many holes" be the deciding factor when it comes down to whether or not we should go after a franchise QB.

 

 

EVERY team has holes.  The Patriots are the best team in football and they have a terrible D.  The key is to be excellent in one area (going to get you to ~9 wins a year), but still able to adapt if you run up against a team that can take that area away. (the difference in 12-13 win teams).

 

My primary concern with a young QB is the skill talent we have on hand.  I just don't believe our receiving core as it stands it good enough to allow a young QB to successfully develop and if Shady does get hurt our offense is an absolute mess.  Look at Goff and Wentz, Goff looked like a flat out bust while Wentz looked like he hit a rookie wall and was figured out halfway through the season.  The Rams addressed coaching, offensive line and their receiver group and Goff took off, the Eagles also invested heavily in their receiver group and running backs, got Lane Johnson back healthy and Wentz was on his way to a MVP season before he was hurt.  Trubisky is in a similar situation now, no skill talent outside of Howard / Cohen, you had better believe the Bears are going to address that on several levels this offseason.

 

Having a QB on a rookie deal does allow you luxuries at other positions on the field with cap spending.  Infrastructure is extremely important at the position and outside of the time under Rex, I'm not convinced our offensive talent has been good enough to allow a QB to develop over the last 2 decades.  Our supporting offensive talent is not at a level that's going to allow any QB we can acquire to come in and be a dynamic difference maker, that needs to be addressed.

[Dadonkadonk]

1. Fire Dennison - Done

2. Keep TT

3. Draft a QB in top two rounds but do not trade up more than a few picks

4. Release Peterman at the end of training camp

16 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

 

 

If Darnold, Rosen and Mayfield are in their top three and they love one (or all) of them, go all in and get your man.

 

If one is still available at 3 or 4, then send #21, 22, a second rounder and maybe something else from this year, or 2019 (but not a 1 or a 2 from 2019).  Defend it?  Look, they've had holes for a while.  I'd rather have holes with a "serious" potential franchise QB than more holes filled without him.

 

Risks?  No one wants to dance because they need a QB or the price is too high...higher than what I have stated above.  If that is the case, do the veteran bridge (Alex Smith) and draft Rudolph or Jackson.

 

Why I would not get Cousins:  He may be great, but being in the neighborhood of $140 million you better be darn sure as you are not getting rid of him after year two if things don't work out.  This is your guy for at least 4 years.  Rather take my chances for a couple years on a young franchise QB for 5-6 million per year.

None of those guys are worth more than one first round pick.  What you are suggesting is career suicide for Beane

[dgrochester55]

Keep TT and draft someone high. 

 

TT is not a long term option, but he is definitely capable of scoring more than what happened in the second half of the season.    I put a lot of the blame for this year on a very depleted receiving group(Benjamin was an upgrade but essentially playing on one leg for most of his time here), a painfully conservative offensive system and starting the wrong linemen in some cases.   Taylor was putting more points on the boards under a different system.  Unless we get Alex Smith or Garoppolo, I don't see any available veteran that we can count on to do more than Taylor.  Cousins in my opinion is not good enough to justify the cost.  Bradford is a china doll.  Bridgewater is a big question mark after the injury.  Keenum is a slightly better version of Orton. 

 

Draft a QB-This is easy to defend.   We eventually need a franchise quarterback and Taylor is not it.   The draft is the best chance to do that.   With a deeper than normal QB class and a high amount of early picks, it is now or never.