Dr.Sack Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 We're now to the "throw anything at the wall and see what sticks" phase, I see... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? Are honestly questioning his coaching ability due to his faith? Do you know how many Christians are in the NFL that are successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Dude is a nut less HC. Officially done with him as of today. Roll out the list of new HC’s... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 People who start these threads have no testicular fortitude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? I think he is a good non-gameday head coach. His team does not quit and is generally very prepared. I think his calling is being a DC, not a HC. He consistently makes questionable if not wrong decisions during games. But with the caveat that this is his first season as a HC. He could well figure that out and end up being a very good HC. Edited December 24, 2017 by CodeMonkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I seriously doubt his faith has anything to do with his coaching decisions. I'm a Christian. And I am one of the most analytical, statistical, data-driven people you would ever meet. Early in the game (with 3 quarters ahead of him), McDermott saw nothing wrong with being aggressive. Late in the game and down 7, he panicked and just wanted to get away with some points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pasaluki Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Lol the Browns front office brags about analytics and sabremetrics, and the power of their scientific method. The Browns are about to go 0-16. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Christian. Muslim, Hindu, I don't care...we have a lousy HC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 38 minutes ago, McBean said: Dude is a nut less HC. Officially done with him as of today. Roll out the list of new HC’s... I agree with this ☝? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 We have had a bunch of coaches make that same call. Every time the kick has been missed or the Bills have lost we have called the coach names. I give the OP credit for taking a new approach to attacking the HC for the FG attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Going for the FG there makes Baby Jesus cry. Jesus wants coaches with balls and who understands basic game management strat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share Posted December 24, 2017 It’s a question that needs to be asked. It seems that McDermott is far removed from probability. He’s not doing himself any favors punting in OT against the Colts playing not to lose, or kicking FGs down 7. He’s playing conservative - not to lose football, and that won’t win football games. It’s telling New England scored 24 second half points while we managed 3. The biggest game of the year & McDermott went with a kick that had at best a 55% probability, that still would have put him at a 4 point deficit. It just isn’t good game management. Extending the drive and trying to get 7 to tie was his best hope. Instead it was a quick 14 point swing. I’ll ask anyone on this board, does anyone here have any doubt what Belichick would have done if the situation was reversed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDS Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I think you would make a better argument if you could back up this assertion with a population study showing that there was a correlation between devout beliefs and the lack of aptitude in basic math and science. There are a lot of people who are bad at that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Coaches are not going to go by some big data analysis of historical games. He's going to take things like, how is my defense playing? At that time, good. If I kick a FG and then they kick a FG I'm within a TD still. Makes sense. Coaches like Coach McDermott don't want to risk it all on one play when they don't have to. They call it "extending the game". It's who he is. Deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Coaches are not going to go by some big data analysis of historical games. He's going to take things like, how is my defense playing? At that time, good. If I kick a FG and then they kick a FG I'm within a TD still. Makes sense. Coaches like Coach McDermott don't want to risk it all on one play when they don't have to. They call it "extending the game". It's who he is. Deal with it. It might make sense to some, but it's still wrong. "Extending the game" like that lessens your chance of winning the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Angel Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 hour ago, McBean said: Dude is a nut less HC. Officially done with him as of today. Roll out the list of new HC’s... Done with him after playing arguably the best team in the NFL competively for most of the game, in a stadium where winning at all has been rare for over a decade, with the refs catering to them, with his team not having much of a qb??? I don't think there's a coach pout there that could please you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: It might make sense to some, but it's still wrong. "Extending the game" like that lessens your chance of winning the game. It didn't vs the Colts. Edited December 24, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, reddogblitz said: It didn't vs the Colts. Yes it did. They jut got lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, Domdab99 said: Yes it did. They jut got lucky. We won the game. Obviously it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: It didn't vs the Colts. Just now, reddogblitz said: We won the game. Obviously it worked. Stop being a moron. They hit on 17 and got a 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: Stop being a moron. They hit on 17 and got a 4. Stop being a moron. We won the game. The great pass by Webb, great catch by Thompson, and great run but McCoy were all luck? Right. Edited December 24, 2017 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, reddogblitz said: Stop being a moron. We won the game. look up "being results oriented," Scooter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Just now, Domdab99 said: look up "being results oriented," Scooter Looked to me like we got the right result scooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Jesus took a lot of chances, and never backed down. McD could stand to learn a bit from Christianity. We certainly didn’t go Old Testament on Gronk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said: Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? Your psychological profile of McDermott is that he's Christian, so he's bad at math, therefore can't coach? This is the dumbest !@#$ing thing I've read all day. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Heitz said: We're now to the "throw anything at the wall and see what sticks" phase, I see... Yup! Here we go, they coming out of the woodwork! We lost to the Patriots simply because they have more talent at this time! Honest, it's very simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Romo , when the game was lost in the fourth Quarter ,said that the coaching in Buffalo was on the right track and they are going in the right direction. I am sick of the coach bashers , as if they could do what is required in the situations that the coaches face. Hindsight is all the bashers can do . Some of the decisions are right and some are wrong. I'll stick with Romo. I think he know's a heck of a lot more about football than most of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Most statistical evidence suggests even the most bold HC's should be going for it more on 4th down. I blame god for these spineless decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 He's no Doug Pederson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 minute ago, dpberr said: He's no Doug Pederson. He must be atheist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 He is not Vince Lombardi either , but you never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: Stop being a moron. We won the game. The great pass by Webb, great catch by Thompson, and great run but McCoy were all luck? Right. I'm done with McDermott until he hires a game management specialist to make his decisions for him that are based on statistical analysis and not gut instinct. . His decision today was moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? He makes decisions on a "as you learn" process.........he's making it up as he goes. You know, cause he's learning as he goes. Isn't this exactly what you look for in a HC of a professional franchise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? His faith scares the hell out of me, but I don't think it relates to his pay calling. He is definitely NOT looking at statistical data/probabilities in making his decisions, but I don't think that's a matter of faith; that's a matter of him being a traditional football guy. What makes your post all the more scary is that Pegula is another hardcore religious kind of guy. If they are planning some sort of Christian tower of power, and picking players based on how well they fit into that, we are screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Do some of these moron out of the woodwork posters today realize the the Bills are operating with the worst depth of talent in the entire league besides Cleveland? And it isn't really close. Do they realize that this current semblance of an O-line couldn't pass protect for anyone but TT, Cam, Watson and Wilson in this league? It is bloody amazing we are 8-7. No D-line depth, little LB talent, Very little WR talent, tragically thin at RB. A decent but flawed QB with a completely inexperienced backup. Basically a good secondary and a pretty good running game is our only claim to fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: We won the game. Obviously it worked. It was still the wrong call, despite winning. As a caller on the post-game show said: "You can walk blindfolded across Sheridan Drive (LOL) and safely make it to the other side without anything touching you. That doesn't make it the smart thing to do." To the OP: a lot of posters at this site struggle with 5th grade grammar/spelling and see no distinction (apparently) between "their", "there" and "they're". They are not going to understand why you are right or why McDummy is wrong when he goes with his gut or whatever he does go with when he makes these decisions. He should never have punted in the Indy game and he should NOT have attempted the 50 yard FG today. He doesn't get it, not because of his faith, but because he's not that bright and comes from a traditional football background, where most guys do not get it or rely on probability theory in their coaching philosophy. Edited December 25, 2017 by Fadingpain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Fadingpain said: It was still the wrong call, despite winning. As a caller on the post-game show said: "You can walk blindfolded across Sheridan Drive (LOL) and safely make it to the other side without anything touching you. That doesn't make it the smart thing to do." To the OP: a lot of posters at this site struggle with 5th grade grammar/spelling and see no distinction (apparently) between "their", "there" and "they're". They are not going to understand why you are right or why McDummy is wrong when he goes with his gut or whatever he does go with when he makes these decisions. He should never have punted in the Indy game and he shot NOT have attempted the 50 yard FG today. He doesn't get it, not because of his faith, but because he's not that bright and comes from a traditional football background, where most guys do not get it or rely on probability theory in their coaching philosophy. You’re another one of those dvoa cultists aren’t you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 2 hours ago, vorpma said: Yup! Here we go, they coming out of the woodwork! We lost to the Patriots simply because they have more talent at this time! Honest, it's very simple! You understand absolutely nothing of the OP's post or what he is discussing. Just now, joesixpack said: You’re another one of those dvoa cultists aren’t you You can't argue with math. You are on the wrong side of this. At some point you'll figure that out. Or maybe you won't. You'll still be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Listening to his post game presser and watching many games this season I had to posit where does his decision making come from? In other words does he make decisions based upon facts-data or a belief system that is rooted in conviction coming from religious belief? Sean McDermott is a devout Christian. I’ve listened to many interviews where he is outward in professing Christian faith. I’m curious, today on 4th & 1 down 7 in the 4th quarter did McDermott make a decision with confidence knowing he has a better statistical probability to win the game going for it as opposed to attempting a 50 yard field goal? It appears that McDermott is making decisions based on ‘conviction’ as opposed to scientific ‘data’. In the modern NFL game we see leading franchises make decisions based on scientific analytical data such as a win probability calculations. Perhaps McDermott can learn to put his faith in game theory and data moving forward. Looking forward past this season does McDermott want his franchise QB to be a Christian? Is that a prerequisite? Nathan Peterman seems to fit this mold. He grew up outside of Jacksonville home of Tim Tebow, and has outwardly professed his Christian faith. I have nothing against faith, but is faith blinding McDermott from making the right decisions to guide this team? No. Merry Christmas! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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