Bills Place Cordy Glenn on IR; Will Undergo Offseason Foot Surgery

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

There's literally one person in this thread that said that, and if you really stretch to find something similar, you could possibly infer that one other poster said implied tangentially similar.

 

Yeah, it would have to be similar to Sammy where he shows well in the preseason.

 

Yep.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

And yet Mills is still terrible.

 

Keep Glenn see if Dawkins or Glenn can play RT. 

 

If you can fleece a team for a 2 for glenn, then you draft his replacement with said pick and move on.

 

Sure, you can roll the dice and keep him and pray to the baby jesus he heals and isn't a bloated tub of goo after a year of inactivity.

 

I don't like those odds.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

And yet Mills is still terrible.

 

Keep Glenn see if Dawkins or Glenn can play RT. 

 

If Glenn had been healthy this season, I believe there's a good chance we would have had Dawkins at RT by now. 

[BillsVet]

13 minutes ago, M. Wrotto said:

He was  complete waste of Salary Cap space all year. We have Groy just sitting there on the sidelines, surely we could figure a way to get him on the field.

 

 

Shame on Glenn for getting hurt. Didn't he know the Bills needed him? As for Groy, he isn't on the field for a reason. I'm not sure why, but he's apparently not better than Ducasse.

 

If the Bills trade Glenn in the off-season and expect to go with Dawkins at LT with the whomever at RT, I'd like to see the salary purge lead to something. (EDIT: Then again, with this injury history, I don't see them getting much).

 

McBeane has saved a considerable amount by letting Gilmore and Woods go to UFA, then trading Watkins and Dareus. They already having almost nothing on the books for a QB for next season. Perhaps they're looking to spend on the front 7, but I can't understand why we're back to them cutting costs like the Littman/Brandon days. Not to mention, the cap is increasing to 174-178M next season.

 

If Glenn has a nagging issue and they get something for him, well, good luck. But purging all this salary better lead to something.

 

Edited December 15, 2017 by BillsVet

[Real McClappy]

13 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

I love how everyone just assumes he's going to heal.

 

Best of luck with that.

 

Cmon Joe, that is what happens 99% of the time right?

[Mrbojanglezs]

where has Henderson been? Has he even seen the field?

[MarkyMannn]

Wonder what kind of foot surgery?  Something lets say minor that people recover from all the time.  Or something really complex, you're never the same.  Carrying 300+# and being athletic on his feet, that can't help.  Wonder if his one kidney contributes to it.  Like gout or whatever on top of whatever else is going on.  IDK.................

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[klos63]

28 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

just about everyone in this thread.

 

"heal him up, he'll be a beast..."

 

etc. I don't like the odds of a fat man with bad feet ever returning to form.

 

 

sometimes medical procedures help players heal. That's why they do them.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, klos63 said:

sometimes medical procedures help players heal. That's why they do them.

 

And sometimes they don't.

 

The guy wasted a roster spot all year, for what?

 

Don't want a repeat in 2018.

 

[wppete]

There will be a lot of changes on this roster this offseason again. Cordy will be one of them. 

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yep.

 

The salary purge made no sense to me either. We were in fine salary cap shape even if we picked up Sammys option before the trades of both he and Dareus.

 

Hopefully it leads to an active FA because as you mentioned they don't have a QB they have to pay in the foreseeable future and now they have tons of cap room. 

 

I think they'll be aggressive in FA again, but I would expect a similar approach as last year: sign solid players (Hyde/Poyer/Hauschka) that are scheme and personality fits, but aren't bank-breakers.

 

[ROONDOGG55]

1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I think Cordy is a Bill next season, or at least part of next season.  He'll have to start a few games to prove he's healthy which should get some trade value for him.

Hope this works out, he's been durable until this season.

I think that will be the case as well. That cap hit would be too costly to not get anything in return, and I doubt they will dump him this offseason due to the Dareus cap hit eating up a lot of space. We will most likely showcase his recovery in the preseason. Someone will jump on him and trade a conditional pick that would most likely rely on him being healthy throughout the season.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I hope he gets healthy and they can re work his contract. He's a great player when healthy. Would rather retain him with a better contract than trade him

 

...has he ever had surgery before?...I don't recall it......

[CommonCents]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I think they'll be aggressive in FA again, but I would expect a similar approach as last year: sign solid players (Hyde/Poyer/Hauschka) that are scheme and personality fits, but aren't bank-breakers.

 

Let the draft picks mature a year or two then sync up your big FA signings. Follow Jacksonville.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Let the draft picks mature a year or two then sync up your big FA signings. Follow Jacksonville.

 

Jacksonville has been very active in FA in each of the last 2 seasons.

 

For me, it's more about finding established vets to fill your biggest immediate needs than anything else.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

I hope he gets healthy and they can re work his contract. He's a great player when healthy. Would rather retain him with a better contract than trade him

 

Yeah- solid young LT that shouldn’t break the bank, unless this foot thing is a big deal. 

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Jacksonville has been very active in FA in each of the last 2 seasons.

 

For me, it's more about finding established vets to fill your biggest immediate needs than anything else.

 

Jags started drafting well in 14'

 

they also got Hurns that year as UDFA. 

 

They were so below the cap floor it was bananas. The Bills could end being pretty close to that. Bolster the roster as you said but if they play it right they can sync up some big time impact players through FA.

 

Obviously it all depends on drafting well, as I said before this team is in desperate need of a franchise altering draft. 

[4BillsintheBurgh]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

It would be a folly to trade Glenn.  There's no reason to do so when you don't have to pay Dawkins until after the 2020 season.

 

Move Glenn over to RT and let Mills be the swing OT.  Cut Ducasse and draft an OG to compete with Miller, and you'll go into the 2018 season with a starting 5 of:

 

Dawkins-Richie-Wood-Miller-Glenn

 

...backed up by Mills, Groy, and a rookie.

While I respect your opinion and agree with you, I think the only way something like this happens is if Dennison is let go. The staff has had opportunities to put your lineup on the field and has not and I am more likely to believe those actions. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a backup center/guard and tackle while clearing Miller, Glenn and Henderson out if the coaching staff stays the same. The center/guard would free up Groy to compete at guard and we get someone to groom into a starter for Mills.

 

I don't like it because I believe the coach is responsible for getting the most out of the talent he has on hand. This flushing that has and will be going on is frustrating because it means more resources are put into replacing players instead of improving the roster. I hope Beane/McDermott can land some talented players and TP has the patience to see it through.

 

And I wanted to add, another year of weak depth.

Edited December 15, 2017 by 4BillsintheBurgh

[Bing Bong]

what the heck happened to John Miller?

[Wayne Arnold]

Dunkirk Dan was right!

[Helpmenow]

Good as gone. Too much money being spent on him

[H2o]

He should have had surgery last offseason instead of just trying to let it heal. Let's hope he gets fixed this time. The OL needs a healthy Glenn imo. 

[hemma]

If he makes it through camp, there will be options for keeping him or a trade, but if he can't get through camp, he's probably done-done.

[BrooklynBills]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Yep.

 

The salary purge made no sense to me either. We were in fine salary cap shape even if we picked up Sammys option before the trades of both he and Dareus.

 

Hopefully it leads to an active FA because as you mentioned they don't have a QB they have to pay in the foreseeable future and now they have tons of cap room. 

We were in bad cap shape before this past off-season.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

We have a starting LT already. A younger, cheaper, and healthier one.

 

 

Yeah, but he's not necessarily  BETTER.  Dawkins has played well as a rookie but that doesn't mean that he's going to continue to develop and improve.  Lots of rookies don't, and what's "good" for a rookie isn't all that good for a three or four year veteran.  If he doesn't, then he'll end up a mediocre LT at best, which means that whoever is the Bills QB in the future will be getting pummeled unnecessarily ... because the Bills were once again too cheap to keep their own talent.

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

16 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Yeah, but he's not necessarily  BETTER.  Dawkins has played well as a rookie but that doesn't mean that he's going to continue to develop and improve.  Lots of rookies don't, and what's "good" for a rookie isn't all that good for a three or four year veteran.  If he doesn't, then he'll end up a mediocre LT at best, which means that whoever is the Bills QB in the future will be getting pummeled unnecessarily ... because the Bills were once again too cheap to keep their own talent.

 

 

Let's look at it this way:

say you bring back cordy glenn next year, and he comes back overweight from more than a year of inactivity. or even worse, he doesn't ever really heal. Then what?

 

Now you've got $$$$$$$ locked up in a guy who is essentially useless. But hey, you "kept your own talent."

 

 

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, Commonsense said:

Let the draft picks mature a year or two then sync up your big FA signings. Follow Jacksonville.

 

McCoach likely told TPegs that he could win this year.  And this is already an older team headed toward no more than a 9-7 finish in McCoach's first season. It's unlikely 2018 draft picks are going to come in and in some cases replace the departed talent and improve the team right out of the gate.

 

A team that doesn't acknowledge they're rebuilding and tries to cushion the blow will end up rebuilding anyway. It's just might be with another regime.  They don't have 2 seasons to be mediocre to average, i.e. 6-9 wins, before things need to click.

 

 

 

 

 

[jrober38]

The Bills should have traded Glenn three months ago.

 

Now we'll likely have to cut him. 

 

I can't imagine him coming back next year. He's no longer a durable LT. 

[Fadingpain]

It's interesting, but "injury prone" is a real thing.

 

Some guys can't stay healthy when subjected to the NFL grind.

 

Weak bones?  Bad genes?  Not a big enough heavy duty frame to play football?

 

Not sure what Glenn's problem is, but he is injury prone.

 

 

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

If they trade him after 6/1/18 (like they did with Sammy), they'd save $11.25M against the 2018 cap (trading him prior to 6/1/18 would only save $4.85M)

Without even considering what Glenn can do when healthy you get the sense from how this new regime has operated that most of what Whaley has done is being flushed out. It seems that there is a determined effort to rework the salary structure and replace with their guys. Watkins, Dareus and probably at some point Glenn will all have been directed toward the exit door. It was reported that Glenn was being dangled to Seattle. So it seems that their intentions for him are well telegraphed. 

 

I, like you, would like to keep him instead of creating another hole. Odds are that it is unlikely to happen. 

[Success]

Bad luck, but I’d hardly give up on the guy. Good LT’s are really hard to find.

 

Players are injury prone until they’re not.  

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Without even considering what Glenn can do when healthy you get the sense from how this new regime has operated that most of what Whaley has done is being flushed out. It seems that there is a determined effort to rework the salary structure and replace with their guys. Watkins, Dareus and probably at some point Glenn will all have been directed toward the exit door. It was reported that Glenn was being dangled to Seattle. So it seems that their intentions for him are well telegraphed. 

 

I, like you, would like to keep him instead of creating another hole. Odds are that it is unlikely to happen. 

 

I like you too

 

You are astute and perspicacious

[CommonCents]

46 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

McCoach likely told TPegs that he could win this year.  And this is already an older team headed toward no more than a 9-7 finish in McCoach's first season. It's unlikely 2018 draft picks are going to come in and in some cases replace the departed talent and improve the team right out of the gate.

 

A team that doesn't acknowledge they're rebuilding and tries to cushion the blow will end up rebuilding anyway. It's just might be with another regime.  They don't have 2 seasons to be mediocre to average, i.e. 6-9 wins, before things need to click.

 

 

 

 

 

Next year should be a step back record wise as the youth movement begins and they go through growing pains at QB. If the Pegulas brought Beane and McD and let them clean up the locker room I would be really dissapointed if they don't get 3 years.

 

McD's in game management definitely needs to improve but a 3 year minimum should be in place. If Beane drafts well and McD can't get his act together then the coach is replaceable.

[Real McClappy]

So the consensus of many on this thread is once again sell low in the offseason?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Real McCoy said:

So the consensus of many on this thread is once again sell low in the offseason?

 

Selling low is better than getting nothing.

 

[Just Joshin']

4 hours ago, fridge said:

 

Why can't we keep both guys?

This makea too much sense.

[JohnC]

21 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I like you too

 

You are astute and perspicacious

Most people consider me to be annoying and a dullard. Your perspicacity is now in doubt.  Anyone who likes me needs to have their judgment questioned. I don't even like myself. You are a lonely outlier. 

[Real McClappy]

5 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Selling low is better than getting nothing.

 

Have to disagree with this one man.

Selling low also makes a team look foolish, see Dareus and Ragland this year.

Not to mention you have to waste valuable draft stock to replace a LT which is very rough to find and we have plenty of holes to fill already. The Bills want him ready for next season as do I.

TBD fans are so fickle. Every time a player gets injured for more then 2 games they must go cause they are injury prone???

 

Either way it's out of my hands. 

Edited December 16, 2017 by Real McCoy

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Real McCoy said:

Have to disagree with this one man.

Selling low also makes a team look foolish, see Dareus and Ragland this year.

Not to mention you have to waste valuable draft stock to replace a LT which is very rough to find and we have plenty of holes to fill already. The Bills want him ready for next season as do I.

TBD fans are so fickle. Every time a player gets injured for more then 2 games they must go cause they are injury prone. 

 

Either way it's out of my hands. 

 

We have a LT.

 

Maybe if you kept the gimp to play RT.

 

*shrug*