Alright, who wants a dome?

[LabattBlue]

I'd be shocked if there isn't a downtown dome stadium built within the next decade...and I would be 100% in favor of it.

[CodeMonkey]

It was a completely pointless game.  A coin toss that the Bills got very lucky on.  I always prefer any game in any sport to be decided by who is the better team.  There was no better team yesterday, it was all horse ****.

 

Also, almost all of the "no" votes would have gone the other way had the Bills lost and it had knocked them out of the playoffs.

Edited December 11, 2017 by CodeMonkey

[row_33]

8 minutes ago, CodeMonkey said:

It was a completely pointless game.  A coin toss that the Bills got very lucky on.  I always prefer any game in any sport to be decided by who is the better team.  There was no better team yesterday, it was all horse ****.

 

Isn't it fun with a 7-6 playoff contender with this performance???

 

A dome would be better for events other than just 8 (or 10 including playoffs) real football games.

 

Minnesota went back to the elements for baseball and football and that's crazy for the first sport.

 

 

[THEHARDTRUTH]

 

27 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Whats the goal in Business???

Keep your customers happy and since 64 percent of the customers in this poll dont want a dome Id say no dome is the correct answer.

[Happy]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

You think they liked losing the $$$$ with a 1/3rd stadium?

 

Newsflash this is a Business

I get your argument, but how much will the Pegulas have to kick in to buy a new stadium?  I'd imagine that is a larger deterrent than 1/3 of the stadium not filled in blizzard conditions.

[Capco]

I don't mind a retractable dome to get more out of the stadium for other venues, but if built the dome should be open for every Bills football game.  

 

I know it was a sloppy game... but it was also rough, physical, and mentally taxing on the players.  Yesterday was all about sound fundamentals rather than spicy passing attacks or crazy trick plays.  

 

I am extremely pleased to have watched that game.  It's a memory I will cherish for years.  The snowy celebration with the fans at the end was something very special, and if you don't see that I feel sorry for you.  You're missing out.  

 

It's true that I would be more likely to go to a winter game if the stadium were domed, but I've already gone to a few Bills games in various conditions and I prefer to watch from the comfort of my home.  

Edited December 11, 2017 by Capco

[BigBuff423]

I'm in the build a retractable dome group....as a fan, I wouldn't want to spend all that time in a blizzard. As a father, I don't want to bring my 5 year old daughter to a game like that and as person watching at home, it was still difficult to watch because the aesthetics were unpleasant. 

 

All in all, I like domes, and consider Minnesota and Indy getting Super Bowls....not totally out of the realm of possibilities that it could come to Buffalo if a dome were built.

[Heitz]

Question:  who here has seen a game in a dome recently?

 

Just curious if anyone has actually seen an NFL game in one of the modern indoor stadiums (and, no, Toronto does NOT count - ever)?  Just lots of "the atmosphere is stale" comments, but folks in Indy and Minny seem to like their new homes.

 

Like I said, was in Minny's stadium (though not for a football game) and it was beautiful, definitely made me change my opinion of what an indoor stadium could be.

 

Just curious if everyone is going off of actual game day experiences, or off of gut...

[MAJBobby]

12 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

I get your argument, but how much will the Pegulas have to kick in to buy a new stadium?  I'd imagine that is a larger deterrent than 1/3 of the stadium not filled in blizzard conditions.

And the County as well I am sure they want it used more than just football and nothing in the winter.

[BillnutinHouston]

No to a dome.  Yes I went yesterday.

 

How many yes votes came from guys who were watching from their couch yesterday?

4 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yeah i am sure Pegula’s LOVED the 1/3rd filled Stadium in a game that Bills need to win to keep their season alive. 

 

 

 

Seeing it in person, I can confidently say the stadium was about 60-70% full.

 

 

[jrober38]

Hard to imagine the Bills spending about a Billion dollars on a new stadium and risk the weather keeping 10-20k fans away from the games like was the case yesterday. 

 

If you're going to spend money on a stadium, you spend money on a stadium that will be inclusive to as many people as possible regardless of what the weather is like. A dome makes the weather irrelevant to the elderly and the young, and you avoid situations like yesterday where there are thousands of empty seats because people don't want to go freeze their you know what off in the freezing cold for 4-6 hours depending on when you arrive to tailgate. 

Edited December 11, 2017 by jrober38

[klos63]

1 hour ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

I didnt say the upper deck wasnt empty in the 4th did I? Think it might have had something to do with people leaving early in the middle of a major weather event so they could get home alive? Now I know what its like to have a debate with Charlie Manson.

You have now entered THE TWILIGHT ZONE!

but this is buffalo weather, hardy fans...they left early????

16 hours ago, Dan said:

How many snow games have there been in Buffalo in the last several years?

 

Tasker, who's played quite a bit of football in Buffalo, said it was the worst he's ever seen.

 

Perhaps people are over reacting bit to the conditions?

 

This is how football should be played.  The elements should be part of the game.   Yeah, speed andprecision may suffer, but strength, coaching, mental fortitude become part of the game.  IMO, this was one of the most exciting games I've seen in years.   The refs let the teams play for once and the players fought tough as hell for the full game. There was an element of the unknown to every kick, pass, or run.  It was exciting and fun to watch.

 

No way should any team have a dome. 

why is this how football should be played?  99% of all games are placed in ideal weather conditions.  It's certainly a spectacle when it happens, but it's hardly how games should be played.

[THEHARDTRUTH]

3 minutes ago, klos63 said:

but this is buffalo weather, hardy fans...they left early????

why is this how football should be played?  99% of all games are placed in ideal weather conditions.  It's certainly a spectacle when it happens, but it's hardly how games should be played.

Your criticizing the fans for leaving early? You are beyond stupid. Remember the storm where people died a few years ago? I do. About 6 feet total in a 24-48 hour period. The weather forecast kept say it was going to stop and it didnt until we had 6 feet on the ground. But your probably the guy whose out on the golf course in the middle of a lightning storm so you probably wouldnt get the concept.

[klos63]

5 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Your criticizing the fans for leaving early? You are beyond stupid. Remember the storm where people died a few years ago? I do. About 6 feet total in a 24-48 hour period. The weather forecast kept say it was going to stop and it didnt until we had 6 feet on the ground. But your probably the guy whose out on the golf course in the middle of a lightning storm so you probably wouldnt get the concept.

Yes I am, did they not know it would be like that when they got up in the morning?  And no, I don't go out on the course during a lightening storm. I wouldn't be there in the first place since I check the weather forecast first.

[Big Gun]

40 minutes ago, Heitz said:

Question:  who here has seen a game in a dome recently?

 

Just curious if anyone has actually seen an NFL game in one of the modern indoor stadiums (and, no, Toronto does NOT count - ever)?  Just lots of "the atmosphere is stale" comments, but folks in Indy and Minny seem to like their new homes.

 

Like I said, was in Minny's stadium (though not for a football game) and it was beautiful, definitely made me change my opinion of what an indoor stadium could be.

 

Just curious if everyone is going off of actual game day experiences, or off of gut...

Been to the Carrier Dome back in the day when SU was pretty good and that place was rockin. 

[klos63]

11 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said:

Your criticizing the fans for leaving early? You are beyond stupid. Remember the storm where people died a few years ago? I do. About 6 feet total in a 24-48 hour period. The weather forecast kept say it was going to stop and it didnt until we had 6 feet on the ground. But your probably the guy whose out on the golf course in the middle of a lightning storm so you probably wouldnt get the concept.

And if you are going to call other people stupid, you should first learn the difference between 'your' and 'you're'. Just sayin

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Yes I am, did they not know it would be like that when they got up in the morning?  And no, I don't go out on the course during a lightening storm. I wouldn't be there in the first place since I check the weather forecast first.

 

the weather forecast....

 

flip a coin would be better.

[klos63]

43 minutes ago, Heitz said:

Question:  who here has seen a game in a dome recently?

 

Just curious if anyone has actually seen an NFL game in one of the modern indoor stadiums (and, no, Toronto does NOT count - ever)?  Just lots of "the atmosphere is stale" comments, but folks in Indy and Minny seem to like their new homes.

 

Like I said, was in Minny's stadium (though not for a football game) and it was beautiful, definitely made me change my opinion of what an indoor stadium could be.

 

Just curious if everyone is going off of actual game day experiences, or off of gut...

i've  been to many games in the stadium here in Phoenix. It's a great stadium. I will say, I've been to some great bowl games here so the atmosphere is always electric. (Boise St/Oklahoma was the most amazing game to see in person)

Cardinal fans are pretty supportive and really enthusiastic, usually a fun time. Bills have had good success here too.

3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

the weather forecast....

 

flip a coin would be better.

So were you caught off guard by the weather yesterday?

[LabattBlue]

1 hour ago, Capco said:

I don't mind a retractable dome to get more out of the stadium for other venues, but if built the dome should be open for every Bills football game.  

 

This is a ridiculous suggestion. They should build a domed stadium, and then open the roof on days when it is pouring rain, freezing cold,  or snow is falling? I'm sure the majority of fans would be pissed off if they did...except for a small minority who think it would be cool or advantage to the Bills to open the roof in bad elements.

 

They shouldn't even bother with the retractable roof.  It will be a waste of money.  Build the dome with a roof that can't be opened, and then it will never be a question, wether to open or close.

Edited December 11, 2017 by LabattBlue

[jrober38]

Just now, LabattBlue said:

This is a ridiculous suggestion. They should build a domed stadium, and then open the roof on days when it is pouring rain, freezing cold,  or snow is falling? I'm sure the majority of fans would be pissed off if they did...except for a small minority who think it would be cool or advantage to the Bills to open the roof in bad elements.

 

They shouldn't even bother with the retractable roof.  It will be a waste of money.  Build the dome with a roof that can't be opened, and then it will never be a a question, wether to open or close.

 

Totally agree.

 

Just build in Buffalo a version or Ford Field and 95% of the fan base will be happy. They'll also add a bunch of fans who refuse to go to games when the weather is bad. 

[dave mcbride]

I cannot believe that there are fans here who didn't love watching that yesterday. It was amazing entertainment and a ton of fun to watch from start to end. The last thing I want is for all venues to be the same. If you don't like snow football, take a look inside yourself because it means a small part of your soul has withered and died.

[Kemp2Warlick]

sorry....watching that game was a thumbs down....Buffalo needs a dome.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

Hard to imagine the Bills spending about a Billion dollars on a new stadium and risk the weather keeping 10-20k fans away from the games like was the case yesterday. 

 

If you're going to spend money on a stadium, you spend money on a stadium that will be inclusive to as many people as possible regardless of what the weather is like. A dome makes the weather irrelevant to the elderly and the young, and you avoid situations like yesterday where there are thousands of empty seats because people don't want to go freeze their you know what off in the freezing cold for 4-6 hours depending on when you arrive to tailgate. 

 

I’m all for a dome but just sitting out in the elements isn’t the only factor in not going to a televised game. So are the road conditions. No dome is going to make those better.

 

As well, people using the worst day in Rich/Ralph/New Era’s 44 year history for the reason we need a dome is a bit over the top.

Edited December 11, 2017 by Binghamton Beast

[jrober38]

9 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

I’m all for a dome but just sitting out in the elements isn’t the only factor in not going to a televised game. So are the road conditions. No dome is going to make those better.

 

As well, people using the worst day in Rich/Ralph/New Era’s 44 year history for the reason we need a dome is a bit over the top.

 

It's not one game. I'm pretty sure the weather is usually bad throughout November and December. With a closed dome, no one would have to worry about the conditions, and you would have more demand for tickets by people who usually wouldn't go when the weather is poor, like the elderly and children. 

[QCity]

15 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

 

As well, people using the worst day in Rich/Ralph/New Era’s 44 year history for the reason we need a dome is a bit over the top.

 

It's called arguing to the extremes. Not to mention if the stadium was moved out of the southtowns (and maybe downtown) it would be even less of an issue.  

[BadLandsMeanie]

Going from memory, a retractable dome roof in this climate (meaning it has to stand up to a lot of weight from snow and ice) adds close to a billion dollars to the cost of a stadium.

 

So a billion dollars plus maintenance for maybe 2 games a year. And we lose the Buffalo experience which lots of us like.

 

My way may sound backwards but I think it makes sense. I would build a metal geodesic dome framework over the stadium. It would always be there and have the lighting and what not on it.

 

But the covering would be fabric and able to be rolled in. A bunch of sections sort of like the sails on a ship. So, we would actually retract the fabric covering if high winds or a blizzard was coming. And in nice weather.

 

But for moderate rain and general crappy weather, we would have a cover available.

 

They could even decorate or sell adds on the fabric cover sections.

So in a way it would be like a giant tent. Good for a crummy rainy day or night, but not for a big giant storm.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 11, 2017 by BadLandsMeanie

[Klaista2k]

Another thing about a Dome is we'd miss out playing outside on beautiful days in September and October.

 

Just another reason to vote against a Dome. 

[CodeMonkey]

3 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

 

How many yes votes came from guys who were watching from their couch yesterday?

 

 

 

 

Valid response from them.  Particularly if they would have gone if it was indoors.

[4_kidd_4]

2 hours ago, Kemp2Warlick said:

sorry....watching that game was a thumbs down....Buffalo needs a dome.

 

Ernie Warlick would shake his head in disgust at this statement.

[george c]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

I cannot believe that there are fans here who didn't love watching that yesterday. It was amazing entertainment and a ton of fun to watch from start to end. The last thing I want is for all venues to be the same. If you don't like snow football, take a look inside yourself because it means a small part of your soul has withered and died.

Died? 

First, yes,  fun to watch.. But no, that wasn’t football. That was a side show. 

I agree with those who think we should have a fixed dome. 

[4_kidd_4]

Looked like olde-timey football

to me. 

 

Both teams had to deal. 

 

No roof in The Buff!

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, George C said:

Died? 

First, yes,  fun to watch.. But no, that wasn’t football. That was a side show. 

I agree with those who think we should have a fixed dome. 

It's football alright - just not the same old same old. Variety is the spice of life, and more to the point, that was a hell of a show yesterday. Total entertainment from start to finish, and a nail biter to boot.

[ExiledInIllinois]

3 hours ago, Heitz said:

Question:  who here has seen a game in a dome recently?

 

Just curious if anyone has actually seen an NFL game in one of the modern indoor stadiums (and, no, Toronto does NOT count - ever)?  Just lots of "the atmosphere is stale" comments, but folks in Indy and Minny seem to like their new homes.

 

Like I said, was in Minny's stadium (though not for a football game) and it was beautiful, definitely made me change my opinion of what an indoor stadium could be.

 

Just curious if everyone is going off of actual game day experiences, or off of gut...

Indy & Detroit (Snowvember Game).  Domes do have their merits.  Like going to a hockey game, that's what it like.

 

I still say... For the Bills, keep what we have.

[T-Bomb]

I don't go to the games, so I don't care much about a dome.  However, domes do seem pretty feminine.

[4_kidd_4]

1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

I’m all for a dome but just sitting out in the elements isn’t the only factor in not going to a televised game. So are the road conditions. No dome is going to make those better.

 

As well, people using the worst day in Rich/Ralph/New Era’s 44 year history for the reason we need a dome is a bit over the top.

 

I agree with this, it was more of a travel safety thing than sitting in the cold all day. 

 

To be fair, we listened to the radio all morning and there were plenty of “ifs and maybes” as far as the forecast, as in ‘we know the difference a mile or two can make with these types of

storms’.  The band set up above the stadium at about noon and didn’t move. Most folks had already arrived by then.

 

Mid first Q people began leaving, probably to get out of OP before it got really bad. My group took a “vote”, it was leave now or stay til the end, and we elected to stick it out. Glad we did for multiple reasons. So much fun.

 

The steady trickle out helped the traffic situation, no question. There was prob ~10k ppl left at the end. Once we got out of the lot on Abbot and to 20 it was fine, prob took 45 mins from stadium to Rt. 5. It was just wet and a little slick there. Again, a matter of a few miles is all the difference.

[Not at the table Karlos]

On 12/10/2017 at 4:42 PM, Wayne Arnold said:

We need a dome for days like this. If this game were meaningful it would be a travesty. Imagine a playoff game in conditions like this? Horrible.

A playoff game in that would be amazing. 

[Luka]

If the money is ever put forth to build a new stadium, it will be a dome. No way that kind of investment is made in this region just to have it be used 8 times a year. A dome can host many different events and that's what will get a new stadium built.

[Punching Bag]

On 12/10/2017 at 1:46 PM, Returntoglory said:

This is NO WAY to play a game! Your playoff life is on the line and you have to play in this ****? 

 

All stadiums should be the same. DOMED WITH RETRACTABLE ROOFS!

Are they all going to be temperature controlled with bugging microphones like P*ts and rolling fields like Arizona and hot tubs like Jacksonville and hole in roof so Gog can take a crap like Dallass?

Remember domes can collapse under snow making the stadium unusable.

[Georgia Bill]

19 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Are they all going to be temperature controlled with bugging microphones like P*ts and rolling fields like Arizona and hot tubs like Jacksonville and hole in roof so Gog can take a crap like Dallass?

Remember domes can collapse under snow making the stadium unusable.

I agree, I don't think they engineer any domes for 7 ft of snow, which happened in Orchard Park just a few years ago.  

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Georgia Bill said:

I agree, I don't think they engineer any domes for 7 ft of snow, which happened in Orchard Park just a few years ago.  

 

The only way it works if it is like a dome in Atlanta which is kept open when it snows.

 

A friend of mine who is a retired architect showed drawings of a design he made for a stadium.  He has been paid as consultant on several stadiums but more a QA then as a designer.  It basically is a dome not entirely enclosed and the sides of stadium are slanted so snow piles up along side of stadium rather than layering on dome.  The curve helps protect the stands and less snow will fall on seats.  I think it looks like an orange being opened up.