Nate Peterman's performance against the Chargers

[Buffalo Boy]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Exactly my point.

 

Nice player but wasn't congruent with a system that would accentuate the skills of the starting QB.

 

There is a reason that the Steelers hang on to all of their downfield WR's like they are gold even though they can't possibly use them all.........they know that Big Ben is not very good without a field stretcher and that being able to get deep also opens up the run game.

 

I think Sammy was too expensive and they thought he wasn’t going to stay after playing out his contract regardless.

It has been rough without ANY legitimate deep threat.

[IronyAbounds]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Except that we pulled our Tyrod and slipped in our Peterman , then yanked our Peterman out again ... 

Lesson to be learned: don't slip in your Peterman unless you're willing to live the consequences.

[Buffalo Boy]

4 minutes ago, JM2009 said:

You better open your eyes and realize this organization will probably never be in a championship again. A weak playoff spot is a SB right now from where we are.

You may well be right but the heart wants what the heart wants.

[Maine-iac]

Just now, Buffalo Boy said:

I think Sammy was too expensive and they thought he wasn’t going to stay after playing out his contract regardless.

It has been rough without ANY legitimate deep threat.

Thompson should be starting.  Crazy comparison but in Carolina Ted Ginn stepped up.  Doing well in N0 now.  He's not a "great" receiver but every team needs a deep threat.  Thompson has produced whenever we get him on the field.

[Scott7975]

6 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

In my opinion, 2 INTs go on Nate's record today, and no more.

 

The first should have been a completion; 2 others were lame duck passes as Peterman threw when he was hit.  I'm willing to ignore those.

 

The 2 others were the real interceptions; he had time, he looked; he threw, he made bad decisions and/or bad passes.

 

 

Well your opinion is crap.  The first int was on Dimarco.  The rest were on Peterman.  I'm also fairly certain that you and a handful of others would be blaming Tyrod for the first int as well. Citing stuff such as... he threw the ball too high and a little behind and he put too much on it with no touch.

[Buffalo Boy]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

Thompson should be starting.  Crazy comparison but in Carolina Ted Ginn stepped up.  Doing well in N0 now.  He's not a "great" receiver but every team needs a deep threat.  Thompson has produced whenever we get him on the field.

I live in Clt and follow the Panthers.

Pretty much watching them from here on out as this team has become unwatchable.

[26CornerBlitz]

PFF Assessment:

QB NATHAN PETERMAN, 32.0 OVERALL GRADE

The start of the Peterman era in Buffalo did not get off to a good start, as he lasted just one half and threw five interceptions in that half. Not all of those interceptions were his fault, but it was clear that Peterman was not as ready as Buffalo may have thought when they named him starter. He didn’t complete a pass on the five plays he was under pressure, throwing four of his picks on those plays. He just didn’t look confident compared to Tyrod Taylor, who came in for the second half and completed 4-of-7 passes for 68 yards and a touchdown when under pressure.

[bobobonators]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

I don’t believe, and haven’t since the end of 2015, that he is capable of leading a team to a Championship. Unless you give him the 85 Bears D or the Dilfer LED Ravens D.

I don’t see us getting that kind of once in a generation D here so I’m threw with him because it is SB as the only goal.

I don’t want to limp into the playoffs as a 6 seed and get embarrassed just to end the “ drought”. 

He’s a good guy. Maybe on the right team he works. He doesn’t work for me.

 

This line of thinking kinda gets me bonkers. Finding a Franchise QB that will play for the next 15 yrs and squeaking into the playoffs with TT aren't mutually exclusive endeavors. 

 

Some of the best young QB today were not drafted 1st overall. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by bobobonators

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

PFF Assessment:

QB NATHAN PETERMAN, 32.0 OVERALL GRADE

The start of the Peterman era in Buffalo did not get off to a good start, as he lasted just one half and threw five interceptions in that half. Not all of those interceptions were his fault, but it was clear that Peterman was not as ready as Buffalo may have thought when they named him starter. He didn’t complete a pass on the five plays he was under pressure, throwing four of his picks on those plays. He just didn’t look confident compared to Tyrod Taylor, who came in for the second half and completed 4-of-7 passes for 68 yards and a touchdown when under pressure.

This is something lost on Peterman fans.  He didn't look good under pressure in the preseason. Did he make a couple plays under pressure, yes. Did he look really bad many more times, yes. 

[Woodman19]

Did anyone expect the level of aggressiveness in Peterman today considering how soft spoken he is? lol

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

This is something lost on Peterman fans.  He didn't look good under pressure in the preseason. Did he make a couple plays under pressure, yes. Did he look really bad many more times, yes. 

 

Indeed. Too many tried to excuse this away, but you knew the heat was coming in meaningful game action.  He's simply not up to the task. 

[THEHARDTRUTH]

People need to relax. There is a process to the process of the process. Plus a process to all of that. Its gonna take some time. Chill yall!?

[Buffalo Boy]

4 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

This line of thinking kinda gets me bonkers. Finding a Franchise QB that will play for the next 15 yrs and squeaking into the playoffs with TT aren't mutually exclusive endeavors. 

 

Some of the best young QB today were not drafted 1st overall. 

Kinda like Peterman???

Sorry , I had to.

TT getting us into the playoffs means he might stick around which drives ME bonkers.

We all know the 8-8 middle of the road,  middling draft pick, same old rut argument. That is what your scenario results in. 

I assumed this was going to be another suck fest year in the preseason. I was ready for it and didn’t take the bait at 5-2.

With a larder full of draft picks, we could be watching the beginning of a championship team by this time next year with good drafting.We don’t know how McBean will draft but that is why you hold the draft.

Withh TT winning three more games, we may well miss the playoffs and the higher draft picks.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

This is something lost on Peterman fans.  He didn't look good under pressure in the preseason. Did he make a couple plays under pressure, yes. Did he look really bad many more times, yes. 

 

To be fair, watch some other offenses with actual offensive lines and blocking schemes. They can keep pressure off the QB for more than 2 seconds. Peterman really had no chance, with that blocking and Benjamin going down and Matthews being injured and Dennison calling the offense... he wasn’t nearly ready for it. Maybe now he’s ruined forever. 

 

Yes the people who blamed Tyrod for the poor pass protection were exceedingly dumb and wrong, but Peterman has the same excuse going for him. I hope he can bounce back.

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

To be fair, watch some other offenses with actual offensive lines and blocking schemes. They can keep pressure off the QB for more than 2 seconds. Peterman really had no chance, with that blocking and Benjamin going down and Matthews being injured and Dennison calling the offense... he wasn’t nearly ready for it. Maybe now he’s ruined forever. 

 

Yes the people who blamed Tyrod for the poor pass protection were exceedingly dumb and wrong, but Peterman has the same excuse going for him. I hope he can bounce back.

The Bills blocking is terrible. But Peterson's shortcomings are not really due to that. It's only one of them. Three of his five INTS were just terrible decisions and throws. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The Bills blocking is terrible. But Peterson's shortcomings are not really due to that. It's only one of them. Three of his five INTS were just terrible decisions and throws. 

 

 

He heaved 2 of those pics totally blind and up for grabs under pressure.

 

You simply can't do that.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

Should have kept NP in the whole game---like a puppy that poops on the carpet, gotta rub his nose in it so he doesn't do it again.

 

Why put in next week's starter in the middle of a hopeless blowout?

[Lfod]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Should have kept NP in the whole game---like a puppy that poops on the carpet, gotta rub his nose in it so he doesn't do it again.

 

Why put in next week's starter in the middle of a hopeless blowout?

That's how I felt as well. The game was over. Tyrod wasn't coming back from that far behind. It's an insult to both of them and yourself as a head coach. Titanic man go down with your ship.

 

I wasn't mad he made a risky move that blew up in his face. I was mad that they pulled the kid like it would make a difference then throw in the guy you just benched in a game that's already over.

Edited November 20, 2017 by Lfod

[starrymessenger]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

To be fair, watch some other offenses with actual offensive lines and blocking schemes. They can keep pressure off the QB for more than 2 seconds. Peterman really had no chance, with that blocking and Benjamin going down and Matthews being injured and Dennison calling the offense... he wasn’t nearly ready for it. Maybe now he’s ruined forever. 

 

Yes the people who blamed Tyrod for the poor pass protection were exceedingly dumb and wrong, but Peterman has the same excuse going for him. I hope he can bounce back.

 

I agree. My recollection was that when he looked bad under pressure in the preseason he really had no protection at all. Just snap the ball and get after him was all. But that O-line was made up of guys certain to be soon pursuing other employment. Even with Bosa and Ingram I thought Peterman would have more help than that. These guys aren't great but they are supposed to be veteran NFL O linemen. But he didn't have better protection than the scrubs afforded him in preseason. I don't think any pocket passer would have fared any better today. Add to that the absence of Benjamin and Matthews and the kid could only fail.

[BringBackOrton]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He heaved 2 of those pics totally blind and up for grabs under pressure.

 

You simply can't do that.

 

 

QBs learn to not do that in high school.

 

goes to show you how rattled he was.

[starrymessenger]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He heaved 2 of those pics totally blind and up for grabs under pressure.

 

You simply can't do that.

 

 

Well no not exactly imo. He knew where he wanted to go with it but was hit as he released the ball. Because they were on him like a pack of ravenous dogs on a hamburger.

[Dr.Sack]

Probably the worst QB performance we’ve seen since Alex VanPelt and I like AVP. Both were Pitt guys right?

[26CornerBlitz]

8 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Probably the worst QB performance we’ve seen since Alex VanPelt and I like AVP. Both were Pitt guys right?

 

AVP never looked that bad. 

 

[Terry Tate]

1 hour ago, Boyst62 said:

Inside source... Take it for what it's worth. Passed to me 3rd hand by someone I trust infinitly

 

Taylors benching was 100% Dennison.   This was per Taylor from a conversation bhe had with confidant in messages exchanged today at halftime.

 

I'd you don't believe me that is fine. But I believe my source. 

Believable. But I wouldn't post it, that I didn't cause trouble with a friend or player. Guy I work with is close friends with a current Bill. Just sayin'.

[#34fan]

Logan Thomas.... At this point, why the hell not?

[Buffalo86]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He heaved 2 of those pics totally blind and up for grabs under pressure.

 

You simply can't do that.

 

 

 

True.  There's being a gunslinger, and then there's winging it up there like a fool.  He also didn't look NFL-ready on that botched snap: IIRC, he first tried to pick it back up as if he thought he'd be able to get a pass off, but bobbled it again before ultimately falling on it.  Once that ball hits the ground and the defense smells blood, the play is over (especially with our current O-line).  Fall on it & move on to the next play

[Maine-iac]

Like someone else mentioned  "Peterman does throw a very catchable ball".

[Boatdrinks]

4 hours ago, JM2009 said:

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Maybe Sean McDermott should bench LeSean McCoy to fix this defense.

This is a ridiculous take. The defense is atrocious and likely can't be fixed at this point in the season. They lack stars and playmakers and there isn't a single move to be made that could have much impact on its own. That said, how can anyone ignore the offensive problems on this team? Since the D cannot be fixed, the offense needs to score more points. While the QB switch was an abject failure, the laughable part is that if McD did nothing and the season went down the tubes today with Tyrod as expected the media wouldn't bat an eye. What a joke. We know the defense is bad, how can we get a QB to score points? Apparently neither one is good enough but that wasn't a certainty. It is now. If Tyrod is such a good QB, why is it crazy to think he could lead the Bills to a win vs a sputtering Chiefs team ? 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

This is a ridiculous take. The defense is atrocious and likely can't be fixed at this point in the season. They lack stars and playmakers and there isn't a single move to be made that could have much impact on its own. That said, how can anyone ignore the offensive problems on this team? Since the D cannot be fixed, the offense needs to score more points. While the QB switch was an abject failure, the laughable part is that if McD did nothing and the season went down the tubes today with Tyrod as expected the media wouldn't bat an eye. What a joke. We know the defense is bad, how can we get a QB to score points? Apparently neither one is good enough but that wasn't a certainty. It is now. If Tyrod is such a good QB, why is it crazy to think he could lead the Bills to a win vs a sputtering Chiefs team ? 

 

You got whooshed. Fairburn was kidding to make a point.  Pure sracasm. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

You got whooshed. Fairburn was kidding to make a point.  Pure sracasm. 

You think? I took it as he's saying the defense is the problem . That switching QBs was crazy as it's the defense that's losing games. I'm pretty sure the OP though of it that way too, that's why he posted it. Maybe I'm wrong . 

[26CornerBlitz]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

You think? I took it as he's saying the defense is the problem . That switching QBs was crazy as it's the defense that's losing games. I'm pretty sure the OP though of it that way too, that's why he posted it. Maybe I'm wrong . 

 

Without question the biggest issues on the team are the defense getting blown off the ball, applying little to no pressure, leaky coverage, and shoddy tackling.  Total disaster. 

Edited November 20, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Withouht question the biggest issues on the team are the defense getting blown off the ball, applying little to no pressure, leaky coverage, and shoddy tackling.  Total disaster. 

I'll concur with that. The Bills would need Tom Brady at QB to win shootouts each week as this defense can't stop anyone. I'm not sure it can be fixed at the point. The safeties and CB White are good. The LBs are flat out terrible and the DL is doing next to nothing right now. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[CircleTheWagons99]

With Vlad and Mills on the right side of the line no QB can succeed. 

[BadLandsMeanie]

2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

The Bills blocking is terrible. But Peterson's shortcomings are not really due to that. It's only one of them. Three of his five INTS were just terrible decisions and throws. 

I think it was 2. That last one he got hit as he released it also. 

So one was off the tight end's hands and two he was hit by guys who just juked and came free at him. 

[Dr.Sack]

30 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It won’t ever happen again coz no coach would be foolish to put him on an NFL field. He literally set the NFL record for most picks in a half. There could have been 1 or 2 more. And that’s was on 16 attempts. Yikes!

[mannc]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

It won’t ever happen again coz no coach would be foolish to put him on an NFL field. He literally set the NFL record for most picks in a half. There could have been 1 or 2 more. And that’s was on 16 attempts. Yikes!

Yeah, I actually think his career is over.

[Dr.Sack]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Yeah, I actually think his career is over.

Nothing against him personally. He seems like a good kid, faith, family from Tebow’s area. He fought to get to where he was transferring from UT to Pitt & had a solid 2 years. But this isn’t the ACC. His arm just doesn’t seem cut out for the NFL. He didn’t seem to have any pocket awareness or situational awareness. He needs time to develop. He would be shell-shocked if he goes out to Arrowhead and the same things start happening again. I just don’t think you put him out there if you are McD. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

Nothing against him personally. He seems like a good kid, faith, family from Tebow’s area. He fought to get to where he was transferring from UT to Pitt & had a solid 2 years. But this isn’t the ACC. His arm just doesn’t seem cut out for the NFL. He didn’t seem to have any pocket awareness or situational awareness. He needs time to develop. He would be shell-shocked if he goes out to Arrowhead and the same things start happening again. I just don’t think you put him out there if you are McD. 

It’s literally terrifying to think what would happen if Tyrod were to get hurt at this point.

 

Come to think of it, Peterman might be Kaepernick’s single best piece of evidence in his collusion case.

[section122]

Stop excusing his terrible play!

 

Dont tell me those ints werent his fault.  If we are going to play the not his fault game with ints then Tyrod only has 1 on the year.  Last week and week 1 against the jets were tipped in the air by clay.

 

Don't tell me about how it wasn't his fault the pressure was in his face all dag forcing him into errors if you stated the 7 sacks in the jets game were Tyrods fault.  Maybe as some has proposed Tyrods escapability is a very important factor in making the oline look much better than it is.

 

Don't tell me facing the 3-6 chargers is the same as the 8-2 saints.  One is the hottest team in football and the other is still 2 games under 500

 

Don't tell me they needed to see what they had.  He's a 5th round pick.  A 5th rounder.  Most of the people drafted in his round won't ever start a game let alone a game with playoff implications.  Especially at qb.  They should know from practice what they have.

 

Don't tell me well Tyrod sucks too so they would have lost anyway.  He doesn't and you were just shown what an actual backup qb looks like.  I won't guarantee a win but I will guarantee Tyrod wouldn't have put forth 5 ints in a half.

 

Don't tell me Dennison had a poor gameplan and that isn't Peterman fault.  He's had bad gameplan most of the year.

 

Seriously that was some of the worst qb play I don't know how anyone can defend that play or pretend like he deserves a second chance. 

 

The Bills don't have to skip the playoffs just bc they won't win the super bowl.  3 bad weeks and they are still in the driver seat.  They owe it to Kyle, the fans, every player on that team to try and win.  Tyrod offers the best chance for that.  Peterman should just be cut.  Next year they can draft their qb of the future and let him actually beat out Tyrod not be gifted the starting position bc he fits the idiotic ocs mental picture of what a qb should be.