MarkyMannn Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Serious question. Ever since this guy was hired he has made countless head scratching decisions. Watkins trade was #1 Geezus Yeezus I agree as SW is TEARING it up with the LAR....................... OH wait.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Serious question. Ever since this guy was hired he has made countless head scratching decisions. Watkins trade was #1 and the list goes on. The draft was all Whaley, so Beane was left to improve this team with FA pickups. He ignored the oline, ignored our CB and WR depth, traded away basically a rookie 2nd round LB who is now starting on the best team in the league and got rid of our 2nd string RB without replacing him. Whaley got so much crap as a GM but I can't remember the last time a Bills GM made so many stupid roster moves in the span of a few months. If Beane was trying to tank (which he was lets stop pretending here) this is no way to do it. You don't trade away young talented players without any replacements. We have draft picks yes but since when has this franchise ever been good at drafting players. I'm a Mcdermott believer but I don't trust Brandon Beane . This guy has no idea what he is doing and his inexperience shows countless times. How can we trust him to find a franchise QB. I've heard GMs say it takes about 3 years to build a roster. I don't know what you want from a GM who hasn't even run his first draft yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 They have said exactly that. They are trying to be competitive and win now while setting themselves up for the future. Thats why they have accumulated so many draft picks. They have never committed to anything. They are trying to hide behind their "honeymoon." They are speaking out of both sides of their mouths so they have zero culpability for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjjr Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The Bills have 6 picks in the 1st 3 rounds of the 2018 draft. He and McDermott have removed the guys who are not 100% interested in the Buffalo Bills winning every Sunday. The team is 3-2 with wins over some of the best teams in the NFL and has a chance to win a lot more this season. That's about as good anyone could have hoped for about 6-8 months ago. He just started and has a lot more to do. Let's look at his work in a couple of seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 They have never committed to anything. They are trying to hide behind their "honeymoon." They are speaking out of both sides of their mouths so they have zero culpability for this season. They are committing to building the roster trough the draft. They have been firm on that approach since day 1. How exactly have they been speaking out of both sides of their mouths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Nothing, in fact Rex Ryan was trashed for destroying a top ranked defense and that's what ultimately led to his demise. And now that Beane and McD are in the process of doing the same thing with the offense it's time to start asking the same questions and hold them accountable. I still think the bigger picture is how bad the QB play is with Taylor but remains to be seen if they address this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 They are committing to building the roster trough the draft. They have been firm on that approach since day 1. How exactly have they been speaking out of both sides of their mouths? They said they don't believe they are playing for the draft several times. They have also said they believe in the team they have right now. They have said they "don't see it that way" when asked about the draft picks. Also they have said as you state here that they believe in building through the draft. I'm judging them on what they have said in both cases. I'm judging them on this season because they flat out said this season matters and they are not trying to tank for the draft. I will also judge their drafting. Nothing, in fact Rex Ryan was trashed for destroying a top ranked defense and that's what ultimately led to his demise. And now that Beane and McD are in the process of doing the same thing with the offense it's time to start asking the same questions and hold them accountable. I still think the bigger picture is how bad the QB play is with Taylor but remains to be seen if they address this. Exactly this. Especially since they said the season matters and they expect to win game in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 No. Just trolling. Yeah, he's a Little Susie Sunshine: https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=user_activity&search_app=forums&mid=23965&sid=90d6af4b7a53e1bf4b364938eb1cf71f&search_app_filters[forums][searchInKey]=&userMode=title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 A lot more than you realize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1. Beane has been in the NFL almost 20 years and could not get a GM job. So how did he get this one? He got it from McDermott, which means McD is making many of the personal decisions. And remember he could not get a head coaching job all these years. 2. Why wasn't a Bill Polian or good talent evaluator hired to oversee things? 3. Tyrod Taylor was low balled with his money for a mid talent QB job, the toughest job in sports. His contract is for 1 year and $8 million. A hockey player for a team that also never makes the playoffs;the Sabres; is paying a player for 8 years, $80 million or $10 million a year. The worse contract in the NHL, thats $80 million. Great owners? Give me a break. 4. I believe the idea this year was to try and tank and get a first round QB next year, but the Bills have overachieved, but that plan has backfired, probably leading to another 6-9 win season. 5. After Clay went down today, there is not one WR on the team who could make a NFL Roster. The ball was not thrown down the field on called plays because our OC knows no one could catch it, and Taylors strength is outside the pocket, not in the pocket, the old story of a square peg in a round hole. No WR means no running game, McCoy or no McCoy or Gillislee. 6. Will the OL be addressed next year? Ask Beane or McD. Are we really just going to ignore this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 They said they don't believe they are playing for the draft several times. They have also said they believe in the team they have right now. They have said they "don't see it that way" when asked about the draft picks. Also they have said as you state here that they believe in building through the draft. I'm judging them on what they have said in both cases. I'm judging them on this season because they flat out said this season matters and they are not trying to tank for the draft. I will also judge their drafting. They arent tanking. That much was always clear. They are clearly trying to be competitive right now while getting rid of the fat and setting themselves up to add a plethora of talent in the next draft. They havent wavered or gone back on their approach. This is what they said they were going to do and are doing it. This year was always going to be a transitional year. We all knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) The Sammy trade was stupid, even if you draft a QB high next year you will still need a #1 WR. I would have demanded min #1 pick for Sammy who is only 23 years. The fact that we have the worst WR'S in the NFL makes this move 10 times worse, our running game will suffer all season as everyone we play will just load the box. Read Sammy's stat line from yesterday. Rams average 380 yards and over 30 points per game and Sissy puts up a big GOOSE egg. The previous game he had one catch for 17 yards. Stupid to let him go? No way. The only thing that was stupid was giving up 2 number one picks for the bust. Sammy lovers need to get over it..... Edited October 9, 2017 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) They arent tanking. That much was always clear. They are clearly trying to be competitive right now while getting rid of the fat and setting themselves up to add a plethora of talent in the next draft. They havent wavered or gone back on their approach. This is what they said they were going to do and are doing it. This year was always going to be a transitional year. We all knew that. You said it was to be a "transitional year" they have not. As a fan I expected them to win 6 games but that doesn't mean I can't judge them for a season they said matters. That also doesn't mean I have to wait until McD has every probowl player he wants before I judge his game management or use of talent. What he does this year matters. Edited October 9, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Quit putting it all on the receivers. TT may not have the best talent around him but that is not an excuse to play sorry. He still can throw the ball instead of holding it for 10 min. We couldn't get in the end zone at the end of the game with plenty of chances. This is exactly why Whaley did not want to resign him. This was all McD. Only if our QB be a better passer we can get away with these recievers. Probably be more competitive on offense. Who exactly is he supposed to throw to when none of his guys are getting separation? Did he hang onto it too long a few times yesterday? Yeah. But at the same time, when they'd show the replay, there was virtually nowhere to go with the ball. The last play of the game was him trying to force one and we saw what happened. He's the type of QB that needs a solid supporting cast. He's not one of those super rare guys who can put a team on his back and pull out the win regardless of the personnel around him. There are very few guys in the league like that. It's a team effort. And the offense really underachieved yesterday however they were not put in the best position to win because the coaches felt four unproven wide receivers and one decent tight end would provide enough on offense to produce a win. They intended on relying on the running game which they haven't been able to get rolling. So yeah, I put it on the players but I put it on the coaches and front office as well. They did not put the offense in a good position to find success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You said it was to be a "transitional year" they have not. Never said they did. Common sense shows what they are trying to do though. Cause you know, its what they said they were going to do. As a fan I expected them to win 6 games but that doesn't mean I can't judge them for a season they said matters. Never said you cant That also doesn't mean I have to wait until McD has every probowl player he wants before I judge his game management or use of talent. Never said you should. What he does this year matters. Never said it doesnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Probably the best thing Beane has done won't be visible till the draft. He has significantly added to the talent evaluation staff, brought in several guys who will be GM candidates themselves and overhauled the scouting department. That should show benefits next spring. Smart observation. We have a lot of needs, but let's hope that among their skills, qb evaluation is near the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Never said they did. Common sense shows what they are trying to do though. Cause you know, its what they said they were going to do. Never said you cant Never said you should. Never said it doesnt. You never said they did but you said they did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 You never said they did but you said they did? They never never described this year as a transitional one but they accumulated draft picks and said they want to build the roster through the draft. They have turned the roster over like crazy. They are doing what they said they would do without actually calling it what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) They never never described this year as a transitional one but they accumulated draft picks and said they want to build the roster through the draft. They have turned the roster over like crazy. They are doing what they said they would do without actually calling it what it is. Roster turnover was coming because they only had something like 30 players under contract. So the question remains what has Bean done for the team and the answer is nothing so far. Now if we write off year one as you want to do, fine. I'm okay with that. But that wasn't the question. The question is what has Bean done for this team. Not next years team. Edited October 9, 2017 by CuddyDark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) What's to disagree with? He started on Monday night. I missed the beginning of last night's game so idk if he started against the texans https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://amp.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article177788551.html&ved=0ahUKEwjsxYKF6-PWAhUFOSYKHboUDekQFggxMAI&usg=AOvVaw17_jiobDnEvsyVCjH8dlWY&cf=1 Edited October 9, 2017 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Serious question. Ever since this guy was hired he has made countless head scratching decisions. Watkins trade was #1 and the list goes on. The draft was all Whaley, so Beane was left to improve this team with FA pickups. He ignored the oline, ignored our CB and WR depth, traded away basically a rookie 2nd round LB who is now starting on the best team in the league and got rid of our 2nd string RB without replacing him. Whaley got so much crap as a GM but I can't remember the last time a Bills GM made so many stupid roster moves in the span of a few months. If Beane was trying to tank (which he was lets stop pretending here) this is no way to do it. You don't trade away young talented players without any replacements. We have draft picks yes but since when has this franchise ever been good at drafting players. I'm a Mcdermott believer but I don't trust Brandon Beane . This guy has no idea what he is doing and his inexperience shows countless times. How can we trust him to find a franchise QB. He made the team better by draining the swamp, as the donald would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Stock pile draft picks. Thats about it. I dont like the Sammy trade because he never replaced Watkins. We replaced woods with matthews and hes already injured. Boldin couldnt even replace Goodwin, the lack of getting a true #1 WR if a faioure on beane but ill see what he does in the draft before i make him walk the plank.....Dennison and castillo on the other hand...blegh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 we'll soon find out after he deals with the losses of Clay and Matthews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Roster turnover was coming because they only had something like 30 players under contract. So the question remains what has Bean done for the team and the answer is nothing so far. Now if we write off year one as you want to do, fine. I'm okay with that. But that wasn't the question. The question is what has Bean done for this team. Not next years team. He was hired after the draft. He traded some guys to add picks for next year. What did you reasonably expect for him to get accomplished before the season started? Edited October 9, 2017 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 [quote name="Yeezus" post="4593647" timestamp="1507521754 traded away basically a rookie 2nd round LB who is now starting on the best team in the league Ragland is not a great lb: Reggie Ragland, Kansas City Chiefs Reggie Ragland was active for the Chiefs on Sunday Night Football, but he didn't record any stats. Ragland only played 10 total snaps at the second inside linebacker position in a win against the Houston Texans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) Serious question. Ever since this guy was hired he has made countless head scratching decisions. Watkins trade was #1 and the list goes on. The draft was all Whaley, so Beane was left to improve this team with FA pickups. He ignored the oline, ignored our CB and WR depth, traded away basically a rookie 2nd round LB who is now starting on the best team in the league and got rid of our 2nd string RB without replacing him. Whaley got so much crap as a GM but I can't remember the last time a Bills GM made so many stupid roster moves in the span of a few months. If Beane was trying to tank (which he was lets stop pretending here) this is no way to do it. You don't trade away young talented players without any replacements. We have draft picks yes but since when has this franchise ever been good at drafting players. I'm a Mcdermott believer but I don't trust Brandon Beane . This guy has no idea what he is doing and his inexperience shows countless times. How can we trust him to find a franchise QB. They did a hell of a job getting players AND picks back and if this is all about Sammy again, let it go, the guy was practically useless here and he was not going to stay. Edited October 9, 2017 by BuffaloBaumer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The Sammy trade was stupid, even if you draft a QB high next year you will still need a #1 WR. I would have demanded min #1 pick for Sammy who is only 23 years. The fact that we have the worst WR'S in the NFL makes this move 10 times worse, our running game will suffer all season as everyone we play will just load the box. If you demanded a #1 for a guy with an injury history, on the final year of his contract, and on record as wanting to be paid mega-bucks on his next contract, anyone on the other end of the phone would have laughed at you & then told you to get lost. Here were the Bills options after they decided, before Beane got here, not to pick up the 5th season making Sammy an unrestricted free agent at the end of this season: 1) Keep Watkins for 1 more year & lose him for nothing, because in all probability they know they'll be in the same spot they are as this year-signing too many free agents in 2018 to be eligible for comp picks. So getting a 2nd rounder and a starting CB for a year who will be a lot easier to sign than Sammy made the deal pretty good. 2) Keep Watkins for this season, franchise him & either pay him a huge 2018 salary to have him for 1 more year, or try to trade him, in which case the trading partner will either have him for 1 year or have to re-sign him to a mega bucks contract. Considering any team trading for him would be faced with the same restrictions teams faced this year, you'd be lucky to get what Beane got this year. 3) Trade Watkins before the season and get what we got for him, which appears to be the best option. 4) Trade Watkins and get significantly less than E.J Gaines and a #2 pick in 2018. 5) Demand a #1 pick for Watkins and become the laughingstock of the league. Then, when you're stuck with Watkins, see other options 1 & 2, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 1. Beane has been in the NFL almost 20 years and could not get a GM job. So how did he get this one? He got it from McDermott, which means McD is making many of the personal decisions. And remember he could not get a head coaching job all these years. He's 41 years old, he's been working his way up. You make it sound like it was when we hired 70 year old Buddy Nix for his 1st GM job. There's a huge difference between a 41 year old 1st time GM & a 70 year old 1st time GM. Same strange reasoning about our 43 year old head coach. If we had hired 34 year old Beane & 36 year old McDermott the year we hired 70 year old Nix as GM & 58 year old Gailey you would have called Ralph senile for hiring kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 He was hired after the draft. He traded some guys to add picks for next year. What did you reasonably expect for him to get accomplished before the season started? This still doesn't answer what has he done for the 2017 Buffalo Bills. They're some good excuses I agree, but none answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Serious answer: Through letting Gilmore walk, he's built one of the best secondary's in the league. Yea, for real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 This still doesn't answer what has he done for the 2017 Buffalo Bills. They're some good excuses I agree, but none answer the question. Youre just burying your head in the sand at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Youre just burying your head in the sand at this point. Find a mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 when your GM gets rid of quality players without replacing them its perfectly ok to question his ability to do his job He has replaced them with players like Gaines and Matthews and is stockpiling picks for the next couple of drafts to build the team his way. Can't judge him solely on this years roster that he inherited for the most part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 He traded for Kaelin Clay ... What more do you want ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greatdane21 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 People can say what they want but Whaley had a good pro scouting department and was able to find serviceable Players to plug injury holes the last couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Get rid of 99 and 77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmsmystic Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) This still doesn't answer what has he done for the 2017 Buffalo Bills. They're some good excuses I agree, but none answer the question. This isn't hard- the answer is nothing for the 2017 Bills. They are trying to build for the long haul-- draft capital, scouting and personnel resources, etc. I'd imagine they have no intention at all of adding any unnecessary contracts to our roster. You are ignoring the fact that our salary cap situation for a junk roster is terrible, we have no depth, no real qb, and an almost 30 year old RB with a HUGE contract, and an albatross at DT. I'd say they expected to be bad this year. It's more likely he will divest the Bills of more players in 2017 than add any. Edited October 9, 2017 by hmsmystic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Whaley got so much crap BECAUSE HIS DRAFTS WERE HORRID. Stupid moves by vastly improving our defense? Nonsense. As others have said, revisit next year after the draft. Jeez. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Considering he didn't get hired until after the draft and the start of FA, I'd say probably not a lot. What would you like him to do in that amount of time? Also, when did job security start coming into question by week? At which, we are 3-2 and 2nd place in the AFC btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 He's 41 years old, he's been working his way up. You make it sound like it was when we hired 70 year old Buddy Nix for his 1st GM job. There's a huge difference between a 41 year old 1st time GM & a 70 year old 1st time GM. Same strange reasoning about our 43 year old head coach. Bill Polian was 43 when he got his first GM gig. Just say'n.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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