DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 He had similar numbers through 3 years as Julio with some crappy qbs. But yeah, let's pretend like Sammy won't open things up for McCoy and the other WRs. Let's blame a rookie for not making a catch in a game where we scored 3 points. Or maybe we can deal with the fact that we don't have a QB, and we used Sammy to accumulate draft picks in hope of finding one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 The Watkins trade is behind us, let's move on. What bothers me is that we have to wait to the final drive to attempt that kind of pass, it's one thing to play with your cards close the vest (running the ball and not ask TT to do too much) but you have to open things up a bit to win close games, or any game for that matter. Which I would say, is on the OC whos game plan didn't include it all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Easily? No. And even if Jones had caught it, they'd have stopped him short of the EZ and the clock would have run out. Um no. There was 9 seconds left and the Bills still had a timeout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Here's another one, Doc. How many DB's are bracketing Watkins here on the Kupp spin move play? http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2017091711/2017/REG2/Redskins@Rams?icampaign=scoreStrip-globalNav-2017091711#menu=gameinfo%7CcontentId%3A0ap3000000846762&tab=videos By that token, I could claim they were doubling Kupp. Where was the single deep safety, Doc? #22? Did he go to the left side or the right? The single deep safety was to the left side of the field. You know, where 3 receivers had lined up, with one of them not being Sammy running deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re enlightener Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 3 seasons 153 catches and 9 drops. That's a pretty low #. he had tons of drops that werent counted because a little db would jostle him on a 5 yard curl....those and jump balls were often "dropped" but not counted as such even though he was a supposed number 1 stud wr. twatkins sucked at anything except deep balls, the thing lee evans was so often crucified for even though they never had him running underneath routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 By that token, I could claim they were doubling Kupp. The single deep safety was to the left side of the field. You know, where 3 receivers had lined up, with one of them not being Sammy running deep. You're welcome to. I'm not making the entirely INANE argument that he adds nothing to their offense. You're honestly not even worth engaging. I'd get better analysis debating JimKellyFan69. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Which I would say, is on the OC whos game plan didn't include it all day. you're probably right, we shall see if that's the case with the 22 film review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 He finished the game with 2 catches for 30 yards. Woods had 1 catch for 8 yards. And a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Easily? No. And even if Jones had caught it, they'd have stopped him short of the EZ and the clock would have run out. 1. We had a TO. 2. The only reason ZJ wouldn't have easily walked into the endzone is because ZJ stumbled on the cut and got slightly out of position in the first place. Ball is in the air on the cut, and he got his head around late while keeping his balance on the poor cut. Had he made a clean cut that pass is easily completed and he walks into the endzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 You're welcome to. I'm not making the entirely INANE argument that he adds nothing to their offense. You're honestly not even worth engaging. I'd get better analysis debating JimKellyFan69. I never said nor implied he adds nothing to their offense. The question is, how much does he add? Is he worth $12M/year? Because that was the calculus the Bills looked at when making their decision to trade him. And the odds of making the playoffs, never mind the SB, were long this season. Would I have liked to see him in this offense? Sure. Would it have been worth losing him for nothing over the off-season? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I never said nor implied he adds nothing to their offense. The question is, how much does he add? Is he worth $12M/year? Because that was the calculus the Bills looked at when making their decision to trade him. And the odds of making the playoffs, never mind the SB, were long this season. Would I have liked to see him in this offense? Sure. Would it have been worth losing him for nothing over the off-season? No. That's not what he's getting this year so it's utterly irrelevant when discussing what impact he would have today. Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) So 1 catch for 2 yards (and not on the TD drive) and he's responsible for (now) 10 points. OK. It's a theory. BTW, "never implied he adds nothing to their offense." Football inept and dishonest to boot. Bad combo. Edited September 17, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 He finished the game with 2 catches for 30 yards. Woods had 1 catch for 8 yards. And a loss. You knew this was going to happen. As soon as Watkins was traded, he was to become Jerry Rice who would have made all the difference in the world for our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 You knew this was going to happen. As soon as Watkins was traded, he was to become Jerry Rice who would have made all the difference in the world for our offense. Hahaha....lets not forget defenses are rewriting their playbook to gameplan for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Why do the Bills hate people with talent? If not for that idiotic trade we're 2-0. Does anyone not think he hauls that last pass in EASILY??? We probably also still have Boldin, and at least a CHANCE to score some points today. My ass is chapped about this one... . Done deal get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 Um no. There was 9 seconds left and the Bills still had a timeout. 1. We had a TO. 2. The only reason ZJ wouldn't have easily walked into the endzone is because ZJ stumbled on the cut and got slightly out of position in the first place. Ball is in the air on the cut, and he got his head around late while keeping his balance on the poor cut. Had he made a clean cut that pass is easily completed and he walks into the endzone. I acknowledged the gaffe about the remaining TO a couple posts after that one. BTW, "never implied he adds nothing to their offense." Football inept and a dishonest liar. Bad combo. Your analyses are simplistic at best. "There were 2 DB's on Sammy side (never mind there was more than just Sammy to that side) so he was double-covered!" LOL! He adds something. Unfortunately 2 catches for 30 yards is not nearly enough and his team lost. He's doing little to show that the Bills were wrong for trading him and getting something now instead of nothing later. And that's with Goff, who is starting to look more like a #1 overall pick should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 He finished the game with 2 catches for 30 yards. Woods had 1 catch for 8 yards. And a loss. One of those catches went for 28 yards so his second catch was for 2 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 17, 2017 Share Posted September 17, 2017 I acknowledged the gaffe about the remaining TO a couple posts after that one. Your analyses are simplistic at best. "There were 2 DB's on Sammy side (never mind there was more than just Sammy to that side) so he was double-covered!" LOL! He adds something. Unfortunately 2 catches for 30 yards is not nearly enough and his team lost. He's doing little to show that the Bills were wrong for trading him and getting something now instead of nothing later. And that's with Goff, who is starting to look more like a #1 overall pick should. There was 3 DB's and 1 LB over there on the play. 1 DB and 1 LB on Kupp in a shallow zone. 2 DB's sliding over to Sammy who ran the deeper route. MY analyses are simplistic, at best? You confused the single deep safety with a !@#$ing linebacker. You had no idea the Bills had a TO left on the biggest offensive play of the day. I think Vince Young would outscore you in the film room. I'd call you an unaware fan, but that would be an insult to unaware fans everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 There was 3 DB's and 1 LB over there on the play. 1 DB and 1 LB on Kupp in a shallow zone. 2 DB's sliding over to Sammy who ran the deeper route. MY analyses are simplistic, at best? You confused the single deep safety with a !@#$ing linebacker. You had no idea the Bills had a TO left on the biggest offensive play of the day. I think Vince Young would outscore you in the film room. I'd call you an unaware fan, but that would be an insult to unaware fans everywhere. If Sammy were here and the same coverages were played, how many would say that if he's that good he should beat double coverage? A lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Or maybe we can deal with the fact that we don't have a QB, and we used Sammy to accumulate draft picks in hope of finding one. When Dallas was 0-5 and decided to make the Herschel Walker trade, they first considered trading Irvin, Al Davis talked them out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 There was 3 DB's and 1 LB over there on the play. 1 DB and 1 LB on Kupp in a shallow zone. 2 DB's sliding over to Sammy who ran the deeper route. MY analyses are simplistic, at best? You confused the single deep safety with a !@#$ing linebacker. You had no idea the Bills had a TO left on the biggest offensive play of the day. I think Vince Young would outscore you in the film room. I'd call you an unaware fan, but that would be an insult to unaware fans everywhere. I thought you were talking about the LB who shaded to Sammy's side when he cut in, not the S who off the screen and there to guard against the 2 other potential deep threats to that side. Never mind he stayed to that side long after Sammy cut towards the middle of the field and was no longer a deep threat. As for forgetting about the TO, it's moot because the pass wasn't completed. I'd say try better, but I realize that could never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) I thought you were talking about the LB who shaded to Sammy's side when he cut in, not the S who off the screen and there to guard against the 2 other potential deep threats to that side. Never mind he stayed to that side long after Sammy cut towards the middle of the field and was no longer a deep threat. As for forgetting about the TO, it's moot because the pass wasn't completed. I'd say try better, but I realize that could never happen. Right, when I mentioned the safety, you know, the guy who usually provides help coverage on talented WR's, you thought I was referring to the LB. I think that's enough for now. Edited September 18, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Right, when I mentioned the safety, you know, the guy who usually provides help coverage on talented WR's, you thought I was referring to the LB. I think that's enough for now. My bad. I didn't realize you were talking about a guy who was there to prevent a deep pass to any of the 3 receivers lined up to that side. Yes, it is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 @RichGannon12 Final BUF O, if your not able to stretch field & attack through air the field shrinks significantly over time & you make it easier for any D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 @RichGannon12 Final BUF O, if your not able to stretch field & attack through air the field shrinks significantly over time & you make it easier for any D Who stretched the defense last year when Sammy missed 8 games and the Bills still had the best rushing offense in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Who stretched the defense last year when Sammy missed 8 games and the Bills still had the best rushing offense in the NFL? Teams had to respect Goodwin's ability to get deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 We are 1-1. TT is not the QB of the future. Some people need to calm down about the Sammy trade ruining the franchise. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 We are 1-1. TT is not the QB of the future. Some people need to calm down about the Sammy trade ruining the franchise. It's ridiculous. It was a stupid trade though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 It was a stupid trade though Too soon to know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Too soon to know that. True. However, it's not to soon to know the Sammy trade has made our offense less dangerous this year. Just that it's too soon to know if it was worth it. Edited September 18, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Beane will draft a deep threat with the Rams' 2018 2nd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 You knew this was going to happen. As soon as Watkins was traded, he was to become Jerry Rice who would have made all the difference in the world for our offense. And if the Bills kept him, they would be branded fools for not trading him because he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Who stretched the defense last year when Sammy missed 8 games and the Bills still had the best rushing offense in the NFL? Goodwin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 And if the Bills kept him, they would be branded fools for not trading him because he sucks. Watkins makes other teams respect him. Without him way easier to defend and Tyrod strength is the deep ball. Goodwin helped in this area as well. Without helping Tyrod strength makes offense easier to defend stack the box on McCoy. Good d like today will make the offense look foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 I have to believe the know enough to not bring that bum back. If they do, I'm done. Just !@#$ing done. Consider checking in on Promo's thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 That play is McBeane's fault. They could have dumped Tyrod and they could have set up the Bills WR corp so that it wasn't relying on a rookie to win a close road game. Taylor is out there because they want him out there. Zay Jones is starting because they dumped the starting WRs from last season. Tyrod's contract was reworked before Beane got here. With the guarantees in it he had to stay on the roster for this season. That's not on Beane at all. It's on Whaley and/or McD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 (edited) Teams had to respect Goodwin's ability to get deep. Goodwin and the offensive design was GREAT last year for Tyrod and the running game. This offense has 0 playmakers and is a poor fit. But hey. At least we got that 2nd round pick for Sammy! Zay Jones and Kaelin Clay have speed. KClay can be used the same way as Goodwin. I don't buy this excuse. Goodwin? This guy? https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/9/17/16323914/49ers-seahawks-recap-marquise-goodwin-drop-week-2 Edited September 18, 2017 by Wayne Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 This is great, Zay runs a great route, gets into space, if TT throws a better ball, there is no hyperbolic debate going on right now. I want people to go look at what Sammy has done in two weeks this year. Show me what exactly he's doing NOW that proves he absolutely catches that ball. Not Julio, not ODB, not Antonio Brown, not Jordy Nelson would have absolutely guaranteed that ball being caught. I will argue to an extent, the kid got his hands on it. But the pass was just awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 Zay Jones and Kaelin Clay have speed. KClay can be used the same way as Goodwin. I don't buy this excuse. This guy? https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/9/17/16323914/49ers-seahawks-recap-marquise-goodwin-drop-week-2 And yet Goodwin got a decent deal and clay was about to be on the street again. Fair or not I think the league views them differently as threats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 This is great, Zay runs a great route, gets into space, if TT throws a better ball, there is no hyperbolic debate going on right now. I want people to go look at what Sammy has done in two weeks this year. Show me what exactly he's doing NOW that proves he absolutely catches that ball. Not Julio, not ODB, not Antonio Brown, not Jordy Nelson would have absolutely guaranteed that ball being caught. I will argue to an extent, the kid got his hands on it. But the pass was just awful. Wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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