Michael Bennett suing Las Vegas police department

[apuszczalowski]

 

Kaepernick weighs in.

 

@Kaepernick7

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This violation that happened against my Brother Michael Bennett is disgusting and unjust. I stand with Michael and I stand with the people.

should he say "I sit with Michael and I sit with the people"?

[HappyDays]

Explain how, please.

Cops don't have the legal authority to cause pain and suffering while arresting a compliant individual. The big question is on the profiling. If he was seen as a suspect for legitimate reasons he will have a hard time winning this case. If it was more random than that and the cops were acting on intuition, he has a very very good case. Still waiting for a police statement.

[4merper4mer]

 

Watch the video. See all the people around while this is happening? There are A LOT of people. You would think someone would be talking about how the cops called him the N word and threatened to blow his effin' head off, no?

 

 

 

 

I don't see anybody else in the video. Cars yes, people no.

[HappyDays]

At no point in the encounter as related by Bennett did the officers inform him of the basis for their suspicion. An officer can detain a person based on a reasonable suspicion that the person has committed or is about to commit a crime. Reasonable force can be used to detain a person who is resisting being detained. Lastly, an officer is required to use the least amount of force that is reasonable under the circumstances. An appropriate investigation will surely take place and hopefully the facts will emerge and until that time, it is unfair to judge Bennett's complaint or the officer's actions.

 

What worries me is that most normal people would be terrified to have anyone, officer or not, pointing a gun at their head and threatening to shoot them. If a person in that situation makes a single mistake, they could be shot dead. Under that kind of duress, people are bound to make mistakes, especially innocent people with no experience with being forcefully detained. I spent four years investigating cases exactly like this and in almost every one of them, a tragic death and a ruined career hung by the tiniest of threads.

Good post, thanks. Still a lot of unanswered questions. Too many people jumping to conclusions on both sides.

[4merper4mer]

 

Kaepernick weighs in.

 

@Kaepernick7

This violation that happened against my Brother Michael Bennett is disgusting and unjust. I stand with Michael and I stand with the people.

 

 

 

Let me translate this for you. Kaep is a commie. He has simply chosen race as the vehicle to spout his commie message.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

 

 

Would you have preferred: Stay Down!!!!! But here is a lollipop while you wait?

 

The general subject of police abuse is no joke. Active shooter situations: also no joke. Improper phrasing of instructions by a cop is something that needs to be corrected, but it probably isn't high on the list of crap to worry about in that particular situation. Is there any indication that the cop said: All black people get down and stay there or I'll blow your elfin head off....white people you are free to go?

 

Just "Stay down!" would work.

 

I want to clarify that, of course, everyone should be compliant if there is an active shooter. It's about how compliant people are treated and whether all the treatment is necessary in effectively handling the situation.

[KDIGGZ]

they need to use this as a teachable moment. people either through ignorance and just plain stupidity don't know what to do when being questioned by police. i'm begging them to please show step by step why they stopped him, why they detained him, how they went about handcuffing him and why that is the right way to do it, why they had guns drawn (if they did), and what they expect out of the suspect in this situation. there are so many people on both sides that are just so completely oblivious and angry and that's not going to accomplish anything. i'm hoping some good comes from this and not just more hatred and animosity

[teef]

Let me translate this for you. Kaep is a commie. He has simply chosen race as the vehicle to spout his commie message.

 

This is getting good.

[4merper4mer]

 

@RapSheet

Here is the official release from #Seahawks DL Michael Bennett on being assaulted by Las Vegas PD:

 

 

 

 

That does not appear to be a release from the Seahawks at all. It is a release from his attorney. Ian Rapport is a MORON.

 

As for the release itself: Describing Bennett as a "Super Bowl Champion"? WTF? What is the purpose of that?

[JohnBonhamRocks]

they need to use this as a teachable moment. people either through ignorance and just plain stupidity don't know what to do when being questioned by police. i'm begging them to please show step by step why they stopped him, why they detained him, how they went about handcuffing him and why that is the right way to do it, why they had guns drawn (if they did), and what they expect out of the suspect in this situation. there are so many people on both sides that are just so completely oblivious and angry and that's not going to accomplish anything. i'm hoping some good comes from this and not just more hatred and animosity

 

+1. This.

[IDBillzFan]

Let me ask you this, my friend. And I mean that.

 

Which do you think is MORE likely or more close to the truth? That the cop did what Bennett said he did or very close to it? Or that the cop was just a little strong with him, never put a gun to his head, never threatened to blow his head off, never overused force, and Bennett just made that all up and is coming out in public and suing the police department, knowing they likely have video of it.

 

Which do you think is more likely? Just a simple answer.

 

Based on just watching the video, I suspect it's more likely something in the middle. But I can only speculate. I don't pretend to know what police consider appropriate force in a shooting scenario relative to a what a human considers to be inappropriate force.

 

My preference is to wait for all the evidence, which was really the point of my post to whomever JohnBonhamRocks is. He didn't watch the video, but quickly gives Bennett the benefit of the doubt, but not the police.

 

Unfortunately, that prevailing knee-jerk reaction is what we're about to hear from every sports journalist from NY to Tehachapi for every freaking game of the season. And when the evidence comes out, the truth won't matter because the perceived truth is being set right now through speculation by people with the biggest megaphones.

[boyst]

 

+1. This.

oh, so you watched the video?

[HappyDays]

Then stop commenting on the situation.

The video isn't conclusive in either direction. I don't know if the cops wore body cams, that would help a lot.

[scribo]

 

 

That does not appear to be a release from the Seahawks at all. It is a release from his attorney. Ian Rapport is a MORON.

 

As for the release itself: Describing Bennett as a "Super Bowl Champion"? WTF? What is the purpose of that?

The tweet does not say it is from the Seahawks. It says it is from a Seahawk.

[Kelly the Dog]

 

Based on just watching the video, I suspect it's more likely something in the middle. But I can only speculate. I don't pretend to know what police consider appropriate force in a shooting scenario relative to a what a human considers to be inappropriate force.

 

My preference is to wait for all the evidence, which was really the point of my post to whomever JohnBonhamRocks is. He didn't watch the video, but quickly gives Bennett the benefit of the doubt, but not the police.

 

Unfortunately, that prevailing knee-jerk reaction is what we're about to hear from every sports journalist from NY to Tehachapi for every freaking game of the season. And when the evidence comes out, the truth won't matter because the perceived truth is being set right now through speculation by people with the biggest megaphones.

It seems to me you are giving the police the benefit of the doubt. That is not wrong on the surface. It's okay to have an opinion. But I think you are. Sure, neither of us know right now. And sure, we have to wait until all the evidence comes out. And it's likely somewhere in the middle, but maybe not. This kind of thing seems to happen all the time. I don't think he is just making that up. I could be wrong. I'm more likely to believe it's a lot closer to what he said than the cop did nothing out reason.

[rant_and_go]

Bennet should have worn a suit instead of crip colors

[HappyDays]

they need to use this as a teachable moment. people either through ignorance and just plain stupidity don't know what to do when being questioned by police. i'm begging them to please show step by step why they stopped him, why they detained him, how they went about handcuffing him and why that is the right way to do it, why they had guns drawn (if they did), and what they expect out of the suspect in this situation. there are so many people on both sides that are just so completely oblivious and angry and that's not going to accomplish anything. i'm hoping some good comes from this and not just more hatred and animosity

Agree with all of this.

[flomoe]

There's always a reasonable explanation for why things are handled the way they are. In this case, I'm sure the police didn't target Bennett specifically unless he fit the description of an active shooter in the downtown of a city where anything and everything happens. Couple that with the fact that it was fight night, very high profile people from around the world, not just a black football player, are there.

The police were on heightened alert for anything and everything. Let's say that Bennett fit the description. Should the police just approach him and ask in a polite and professional manner if he was shooting a gun in a large crowd of people or should they detain that person(as they did) and make sure he wasn't the one with the gun?

 

From what I saw, he got off pretty easy given the situation that was unfolding around them. Bennett already has a preconceived agenda that he needs to get out there and this worked out perfectly for him to do that.

 

I've been in a situation worse than him, where I've had multiple weapons pointed at me,(from police of multiple races) dragged from a vehicle, slammed into a car and cuffed violently. I had to go to the hospital from the injuries received, only after I was detained, questioned and let go because I was completely innocent but in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people. It was my own fault for being there and I understood that. Granted it wasn't mistaken identity but I should never have been there in the first place. I didn't sue because it was my fault too. I guess if I had an agenda, maybe I should have but I was a young white kid out with a friend, who was with other people I didn't know. I'm just thankful the police didn't react to hastily or I wouldn't be here.

The officers apologized, so did I and that was that.

Sometimes we should just be thankful that there are people out there protecting us(even from ourselves) and sometimes have to go about that protection in various degrees to keep us all safe.

[DefenseWins]

This is a joke right?

 

A big man who plays a contact sport is whining about being hurt?

 

He met the description one would clearly understand or believe. He was put to the ground and held at gun point as any possible suspect with a gun would be and he's upset? If the police went up to him nicely would he have complied?

 

When you're detained it is not the time to plead to be let go or say I did nothing wrong. A case of great example is Adolphus Washington.

 

How was he profiled? Give me a break and tell this baby to go get a bottle.

 

So when is the last time you were put in handcuffs and laying on the ground when a PO came over to you and threatened to blow your head off? And of course you are NOT black i presume....

[JohnBonhamRocks]

 

Based on just watching the video, I suspect it's more likely something in the middle. But I can only speculate. I don't pretend to know what police consider appropriate force in a shooting scenario relative to a what a human considers to be inappropriate force.

 

My preference is to wait for all the evidence, which was really the point of my post to whomever JohnBonhamRocks is. He didn't watch the video, but quickly gives Bennett the benefit of the doubt, but not the police.

 

Unfortunately, that prevailing knee-jerk reaction is what we're about to hear from every sports journalist from NY to Tehachapi for every freaking game of the season. And when the evidence comes out, the truth won't matter because the perceived truth is being set right now through speculation by people with the biggest megaphones.

 

"I don't believe Bennett or the police, but I'm not ruling out what either says. I haven't seen a statement from the LVPD. I give Bennett and the police the same benefit of the doubt - I entertain what they claim and then compare it against the facts that come to light.

The only evidence so far I am aware of is the video. Let's wait until some more comes forward."

That was my post before you accused me of giving Bennett the benefit of the doubt, but not the police. Reading helps.

 

oh, so you watched the video?

 

Not yet. Going to when I get home. Going off what I have read so far and will add the video to my opinion as soon as I can watch it.

[IDBillzFan]

It seems to me you are giving the police the benefit of the doubt. That is not wrong on the surface. It's okay to have an opinion. But I think you are. Sure, neither of us know right now. And sure, we have to wait until all the evidence comes out. And it's likely somewhere in the middle, but maybe not. This kind of thing seems to happen all the time. I don't think he is just making that up. I could be wrong. I'm more likely to believe it's a lot closer to what he said than the cop did nothing out reason.

 

I'm giving the entire event the benefit of the doubt based on the video I watched because that's all I have, other than Bennett's account, and the only thing the video supports in Bennett's account is that he is being arrested by cops in Vegas.

 

And to be clear, I would not be surprised if Bennett's account turns out to be accurate any more than I'd be surprised to find out the whole thing was blown out of proportion. Nothing surprises me any more.

Edited September 6, 2017 by LABillzFan

[4merper4mer]

The tweet does not say it is from the Seahawks. It says it is from a Seahawk.

 

@RapSheet

 

Here is the official release from #Seahawks DL Michael Bennett on being assaulted by Las Vegas PD:

 

 

 

What am I missing?

 

Edit: You're right. The logo in between confused me.

Edited September 6, 2017 by 4merper4mer

[scribo]

 

And Bennett's comparison to Michael Brown shows that the truth was defined for him by the press before Eric Holder's justice department, try as they might, could not see anything racial in his death. This unfortunately waters down the harm felt by true injustices, racial or not, and stiffens two sides against each other. I have a hard time blaming Bennett all that much really. He has simply fallen for the bait. There are plenty on the "other side" that have fallen for bait as well. It all feeds off of itself.

 

Rappaport's attribution of that press release to The Seahawks is a perfect example of what you have mentioned here. It does not take more than a 75 IQ to read that and in literally one second, see it is not from the Seahawks. But Ian is either too stupid, too commie, or too hurried to read it. I think it is probably a little of all three.

I've commented about both these posts earlier in this thread. I agree invoking Brown's name does Bennett no good whatsoever. As for Rappaport, reread his tweet. He does NOT attribute the release to the Seahawks.

 

 

What am I missing?

 

Edit: You're right.

I read it incorrectly the first couple of times, too. I think the issue is the over-sized Seahawk graphic breaks up the flow and gives an illusion.

[IDBillzFan]

 

And Bennett's comparison to Michael Brown shows that the truth was defined for him by the press before Eric Holder's justice department.

 

This is kinda what I mean about the truth being established now with Bennett, before the actual truth comes out. Evidence ultimately showed what happened with Michael Brown, but it didn't keep Ferguson from burning down because no one was willing to wait for the evidence.

[zonabb]

No one should start topics here that deal with civil rights, equity, freedom or liberty because this is a place where Neanderthals live. This is the place where people think brawn over brains matter in football. It's no shock it only took a few posts before the Neanderthals responded to the Neanderthal signal and came out in droves. The irony is these same Neanderthals are the ones who are blindly patriotic and get rock hard when the anthem is sung or they see a service member but they just can't make the synapses fire enough to realize the connection between all things they love and our civil rights, freedoms, and liberties. So the guy taking a bullet for our freedom is a hero, but the guy trying to hold the system to those expectation is a baby and should just suck it up, which in fact makes one wonder what the guy you love is taking the bullet for anyway.

[4merper4mer]

I've commented about both these posts earlier in this thread. I agree invoking Brown's name does Bennett no good whatsoever. As for Rappaport, reread his tweet. He does NOT attribute the release to the Seahawks.

I read it incorrectly the first couple of times, too. I think the issue is the over-sized Seahawk graphic breaks up the flow and gives an illusion.

 

 

I agree. The logo fooled me into thinking he attributed it to the team. I'll take the blame on that one but not without a shout out to Ian to write a little more clearly.

 

This is kinda what I mean about the truth being established now with Bennett, before the actual truth comes out. Evidence ultimately showed what happened with Michael Brown, but it didn't keep Ferguson from burning down because no one was willing to wait for the evidence.

Exactly. Some people are mad, some are in a hurry to get a scoop, and some are commies driving an agenda and taking advantage of the other two groups along with their supposed opponents.

[26CornerBlitz]

@RapSheet

Per @LVMPD, the statements made by #Seahawks DL Michael Bennett are “under investigation.” They will address it later today.

@MikeGarafolo

Mike Garafolo Retweeted Ian Rapoport

Talked to attorney John Burris. He said he has made requests of LVMPD for info that have not been honored to this point.

[4merper4mer]

No one should start topics here that deal with civil rights, equity, freedom or liberty because this is a place where Neanderthals live. This is the place where people think brawn over brains matter in football. It's no shock it only took a few posts before the Neanderthals responded to the Neanderthal signal and came out in droves. The irony is these same Neanderthals are the ones who are blindly patriotic and get rock hard when the anthem is sung or they see a service member but they just can't make the synapses fire enough to realize the connection between all things they love and our civil rights, freedoms, and liberties. So the guy taking a bullet for our freedom is a hero, but the guy trying to hold the system to those expectation is a baby and should just suck it up, which in fact makes one wonder what the guy you love is taking the bullet for anyway.

 

 

You are so correct to stereotype people in the name of not wanting people stereotyped. You must be super smart.

[T-Bomb]

No one should start topics here that deal with civil rights, equity, freedom or liberty because this is a place where Neanderthals live. This is the place where people think brawn over brains matter in football. It's no shock it only took a few posts before the Neanderthals responded to the Neanderthal signal and came out in droves. The irony is these same Neanderthals are the ones who are blindly patriotic and get rock hard when the anthem is sung or they see a service member but they just can't make the synapses fire enough to realize the connection between all things they love and our civil rights, freedoms, and liberties. So the guy taking a bullet for our freedom is a hero, but the guy trying to hold the system to those expectation is a baby and should just suck it up, which in fact makes one wonder what the guy you love is taking the bullet for anyway.

 

Go visit third wave feminist forums or something instead, be with your kind etc.

[Buffalo716]

It was unbearable for him the pain of being handcuffed lol

 

There are pockets of racism everywhere but America IS NOT INHERENTLY RACIST

 

Michael Bennett is the racist for protesting our anthem and making white people out as inherently racist. He's a joke and i hope he realizes how ignorant he is

[dwight in philly]

 

 

You are so correct to stereotype people in the name of not wanting people stereotyped. You must be super smart.

well said! you gotta love the SJW mindset! lol

Edited September 6, 2017 by dwight in philly

[Max Fischer]

This is a joke right?

 

A big man who plays a contact sport is whining about being hurt?

 

He met the description one would clearly understand or believe. He was put to the ground and held at gun point as any possible suspect with a gun would be and he's upset? If the police went up to him nicely would he have complied?

 

When you're detained it is not the time to plead to be let go or say I did nothing wrong. A case of great example is Adolphus Washington.

 

How was he profiled? Give me a break and tell this baby to go get a bottle.

 

With no more evidence than Bennett's letter, you seem to be pretty certain that officers' actions were justified. I see no evidence support or discredit your assumptions.

 

Personally, I'll wait and see; but it sure sounds like it could have been a very unpleasant experience for anyone.

[T-Bomb]

 

Personally, I'll wait and see; but it sure sounds like it could have been a very unpleasant experience for anyone.

 

I'm not sure in what situation it is ever pleasant to be thrown to the ground and cuffed, oh wait.

[4merper4mer]

There's always a reasonable explanation for why things are handled the way they are. In this case, I'm sure the police didn't target Bennett specifically unless he fit the description of an active shooter in the downtown of a city where anything and everything happens. Couple that with the fact that it was fight night, very high profile people from around the world, not just a black football player, are there.

The police were on heightened alert for anything and everything. Let's say that Bennett fit the description. Should the police just approach him and ask in a polite and professional manner if he was shooting a gun in a large crowd of people or should they detain that person(as they did) and make sure he wasn't the one with the gun?

 

From what I saw, he got off pretty easy given the situation that was unfolding around them. Bennett already has a preconceived agenda that he needs to get out there and this worked out perfectly for him to do that.

 

I've been in a situation worse than him, where I've had multiple weapons pointed at me,(from police of multiple races) dragged from a vehicle, slammed into a car and cuffed violently. I had to go to the hospital from the injuries received, only after I was detained, questioned and let go because I was completely innocent but in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people. It was my own fault for being there and I understood that. Granted it wasn't mistaken identity but I should never have been there in the first place. I didn't sue because it was my fault too. I guess if I had an agenda, maybe I should have but I was a young white kid out with a friend, who was with other people I didn't know. I'm just thankful the police didn't react to hastily or I wouldn't be here.

The officers apologized, so did I and that was that.

Sometimes we should just be thankful that there are people out there protecting us(even from ourselves) and sometimes have to go about that protection in various degrees to keep us all safe.

 

 

There is more unknown than known from the video IMO. I don't see a crowd of people running. I only see Bennett, and he isn't running.

 

What was the pre-video interaction between the cop and Bennett? Unknown

How far away from the shooting are they? Unknown

Are there other nearby people being detained? Unknown

Are they detaining him because he fit a description, he was running, he was a big black guy, he was shouting Jeff the police, they hate the Seahawks? Unknown

 

My point is that based on the video, we can't assume Bennett's story is completely accurate, but we also can't assume it is inaccurate. Bennett could be 100% right, 100% stirring the pot, remembering things incorrectly because people do that in stressful situations, or have some things right and some wrong. The video, at least to me, does not validate or refute his story at all. I think LA's point on the "truth" being established before a high percentage of the information is available is very true and very sad.

[Dablitzkrieg]

From a police officer's perspective, look at it this way. This is an active shooter event. Officer says, get on the ground. Suspect runs from police officer, who matches description of an active shooter. What would you think? If the cop threatened his life, that is clearly overboard. It is important to get all of the facts instead of making emotional decisions like most SJW's do

Edited September 6, 2017 by Dablitzkrieg

[Sig1Hunter]

Saying "if you move, I will kill you" to a shooting suspect doesn't seem out of bounds. Actually shooting a suspect who makes a non threatening move, would be out of bounds. Not sure where the problem is.

Edited September 6, 2017 by Sig1Hunter

[thunderingsquid]

This is a joke right?

 

A big man who plays a contact sport is whining about being hurt?

 

He met the description one would clearly understand or believe. He was put to the ground and held at gun point as any possible suspect with a gun would be and he's upset? If the police went up to him nicely would he have complied?

 

When you're detained it is not the time to plead to be let go or say I did nothing wrong. A case of great example is Adolphus Washington.

 

How was he profiled? Give me a break and tell this baby to go get a bottle.

 

...and you're in North Carolina? What a surprise!

[Augie]

This won't be pretty.

 

It sure smells bad at first, but I can't have a strong position without a lot more information. Like..... ALL of it. Even then, you won't catch me trying to win anyone over here. Ain't gonna happen, no matter where I happen to fall on the issue.

[Magox]

 

@RapSheet

Here is the official release from #Seahawks DL Michael Bennett on being assaulted by Las Vegas PD:

 

What I want to know is who was the supper bowl champion?

[Max Fischer]

From a police officer's perspective, look at it this way. This is an active shooter event. Officer says, get on the ground. Suspect runs from police officer, who matches description of an active shooter. What would you think? If the cop threatened his life, that is clearly overboard. It is important to get all of the facts instead of making emotional decisions like most SJW's do

 

I haven't see any report that suggests Bennett was told to get on the ground, he ran from the police, matched the description of an active shooter, etc. All those things MAY have happened but we'll see. There is no doubt police are put in very stressful situations but then again, there are more than a handful of incidents to suggest that Bennett could have a good case that he was unfairly targeted.