Wayne Cubed Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Good post and I agree wholeheartedly. And while I'm not a TT guy...I think they are putting him and the offense as a whole in a tough spot. This team has no outside threat, and team's will load up on the run and short pass game. Watkins was an elite talent, and you don't jettison him unless you get a great return. The Bills got worse today, and now need to draft a playmaking WR again. Along with DL, Kyle is definitley retiring next year, another CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Let's see how this sounds if Sammy has a breakout season. 100% agree. This may well be very ugly come January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 And again I ask: how so? A stronger top 3 at CB - yes I'm viewing Gaines as an upgrade over Darby, who was consistently a liability A WR who will consistently be on the field and will likely give us stats similar to what Sammy gave us in 2014 (This is pretty much a guarantee as opposed to the IF Sammy stays healthy he's gonna go for 1700 yards and 12 TDs) Most importantly, we now have the picks needed to start legitimately building through the draft. This is how all good teams do it in this league, and 2018 will be the start of that for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The Jets and Bills race for the Bottom of the AFC EAST and the top of the 2018 Draft. Yes, but only one of us has two picks in each of the first three rounds next year. Gonna be a helluva year. Can't wait. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 So Sammy is unprofessional because his bones can break? That's a joke. You said that, not me. I do think that Matthews strikes me as more of a professional than Watkins. I do know that Matthews is more often available, that he puts up similar stats, and that he is just as good if not better of a fit for our offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 So we now have 2 1st's, 2 2nd's, and 2 3rd's next draft. I smell franchise QB in 2018. What makes you think one of those guys is a franchise QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm stunned this trade came out of nowhere. Not even a leak. Was this because Beane really didn't shop Sammy around? Could he have gotten more? They got a corner.....the most important position. This offseason was dedicated to the cornerback position. How are you liking this Promo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Finally get Sammy a mentor then you ditch him oh man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Yes, but only one of us has two picks in each of the first three rounds next year. Gonna be a helluva year. Can't wait. Go Bills! That is Herschel-Walker-trade-level stocking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I hate this team. Total nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm stunned this trade came out of nowhere. Not even a leak. Was this because Beane really didn't shop Sammy around? Could he have gotten more? Had he picked up the 5th year option he could have gotten more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Beane/McD and Co. probably looked at the 16-0 Patriots and thought Randy Moss was the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 What makes you think one of those guys is a franchise QB? They will probably grab 2 safeties in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 A stronger top 3 at CB - yes I'm viewing Gaines as an upgrade over Darby, who was consistently a liability A WR who will consistently be on the field and will likely give us stats similar to what Sammy gave us in 2014 (This is pretty much a guarantee as opposed to the IF Sammy stays healthy he's gonna go for 1700 yards and 12 TDs) Most importantly, we now have the picks needed to start legitimately building through the draft. This is how all good teams do it in this league, and 2018 will be the start of that for us. Gaines was one of the worst CBs in the league last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 So the plan is to tank, according to some, and draft a QB with the picks? Who the hell is said QB going to throw the ball to? Matthews has a year left on his deal and Boldin is a one year deal. So bring in a young QB and set him up to fail. Brilliant. Sammy had 1 year left on his deal too and has said he is looking to change the pay structure of the NFL with his next deal (aka break the bank). Matthews is making like what $1.5M this year? Seems like a much better chance at re-signing Matthews than Sammy, unless you want to give Sammy $15- $17M or whatever the franchise tag is, for potentially 1 good healthy year out of 4 years in the league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 At least we don't have to worry about Russ Brandon running things...there is no way he could spin this positively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninMyrtleBeach Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If they are in "tank" mode I am done with them. I have been a Bills fan for a lonnnnnggggg time but if they tank it that is it! I hope they have more integrity than that. I really don't think they would do that but you never know. Sammy was a great receiver but was injury prone. Darby, well I don't know about why they traded him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 You said that, not me. I do think that Matthews strikes me as more of a professional than Watkins. I do know that Matthews is more often available, that he puts up similar stats, and that he is just as good if not better of a fit for our offense. Joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Again: they waited until season tickets and many individual game ticket sales were locked in. This is consumer fraud. They should be sued for this sh__. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Sammy had 1 year left on his deal too and has said he is looking to change the pay structure of the NFL with his next deal (aka break the bank). Matthews is making like what $1.5M this year? Seems like a much better chance at re-signing Matthews than Sammy, unless you want to give Sammy $15- $17M or whatever the franchise tag is, for potentially 1 good healthy year out of 4 years in the league... And? What is the problem with paying good/great players? There is no reason they can't pay Sammy, especially if the plan is to draft a QB. That's 5 years of not paying the top position in the league. I'm sorry I just don't follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I actually thought Sammy was going to get hurt last night. In fact I think Sammy is going to get hurt every single play so I'm glad he got traded. Less stress for me watching the games. I feel the same way about TT too. It's a terrible way to watch a football game. Edited August 11, 2017 by Bills Pimpin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We just traded two first rounders, a fourth, and a sixth for EJ Gaines and a second. That looks brilliant on paper, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If any one needs the Bills this year, you will be able to find them at the bottom of the NFL Barrell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Sure, defend them. I am not going to fight you my friend. I am going to defend the organization. The team as was construction was not going anywhere this year or in the immediate future. So they are trading some parts for lesser talents and picks. The picks are the real currency in these transactions. Instead of taking the futile Whaley patchwork approach the organization is going into a major rebuild mode. As the season approaches and advances there will be more deals with added picks. That is the right approach to take. The Bills have been a middling team for more than a generation. What's the point of continuing on and doing the same things that have kept this franchise stuck in the muck of mediocrity. The reality is even with these deals the product wouldn't be much different than without making the deals. It's better to have a plan in place and follow it rather than forever muddling along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 THe CB gaines I'm not sure about.............Jmat..........seems like Tyrod could use him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noogie75 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I told everyone that since they hated on Cardale they were going after Wiley's pick just because. Look what happened in Philly with the Oregon coach. Not everyone can be a Jimmy Johnson with the Dallas Cowboys and even he kept the Ken Norton Jrs and the Jay Novachecs. But theses guys are really trying to imitate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Gaines was one of the worst CBs in the league last year. So what? They will have at least one early first round pick in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Joke Appreciate the insight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I am going to defend the organization. The team as was construction was not going anywhere this year or in the immediate future. So they are trading some parts for lesser talents and picks. The picks are the real currency in these transactions. Instead of taking the futile Whaley patchwork approach the organization is going into a major rebuild mode. As the season approaches and advances there will be more deals with added picks. That is the right approach to take. The Bills have been a middling team for more than a generation. What's the point of continuing on and doing the same things that have kept this franchise stuck in the muck of mediocrity. The reality is even with these deals the product wouldn't be much different than without making the deals. It's better to have a plan in place and follow it rather than forever muddling along. If they have two consecutive 4-5 win seasons, this new regime will be out. Bank on it. You are aware of that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 What have we added so far, a 1,2 3, 7th rnd picks, Sammy was going to be too much $ anyway if he remained healthy. I like the move. Poor Tyrod Taylor, this is going to really hurt his big payday without his go to WR. I think that is another signal the Bills are ready to tank this year and load up with a real POTENTIAL franchise QB. Purge the Whaley/Rex era. The new regime is going to own this legacy 100%, we will see what happens 2-3 years from now. I lie the gamble, maybe Brady will have retired finally by then. Dolphins going other direction, all in this year. Jets and Bills, we will see in a few years which has a better FO/coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 A stronger top 3 at CB - yes I'm viewing Gaines as an upgrade over Darby, who was consistently a liability A WR who will consistently be on the field and will likely give us stats similar to what Sammy gave us in 2014 (This is pretty much a guarantee as opposed to the IF Sammy stays healthy he's gonna go for 1700 yards and 12 TDs) Most importantly, we now have the picks needed to start legitimately building through the draft. This is how all good teams do it in this league, and 2018 will be the start of that for us. Darby, despite his drop in level of play, was a better player than Gaines last year. As to Matthews putting up similar numbers, well, the only year in which he met (or exceeded) Sammy's numbers was last year, and it took him 6 additional games to do so (in an offense that passed far, far more than Buffalo's). I'm sorry, but that's not close to an upgrade in either way. The only improvement is in draft capitol, which still requires the front office to get the right guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 And? What is the problem with paying good/great players? There is no reason they can't pay Sammy, especially if the plan is to draft a QB. That's 5 years of not paying the top position in the league. I'm sorry I just don't follow. Sure, they CAN or COULD sign him, but he's not shown value of a true #1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 And? What is the problem with paying good/great players? There is no reason they can't pay Sammy, especially if the plan is to draft a QB. That's 5 years of not paying the top position in the league. I'm sorry I just don't follow. You were complaining about getting a WR with only 1 year left on his deal so who would they throw to next year. I simply pointed out that Sammy only has 1 year left on his deal too and likely wants like at least 4x more than what Matthews will want. They can potentially replace him with Matthews beyond next year plus whoever they draft in the 2nd, and still have it cost them less than 1/3 of the cap space Sammy will take up. We don't yet have a QB who can consistently get Sammy the ball, either. And Sammy has yet to prove anything in the NFL. He has the potential, but I can see why the Bills wouldn't want to shell out $17M for a WR who had 1 good healthy year (assuming that he does have that type of year this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I am going to defend the organization. The team as was construction was not going anywhere this year or in the immediate future. So they are trading some parts for lesser talents and picks. The picks are the real currency in these transactions. Instead of taking the futile Whaley patchwork approach the organization is going into a major rebuild mode. As the season approaches and advances there will be more deals with added picks. That is the right approach to take. The Bills have been a middling team for more than a generation. What's the point of continuing on and doing the same things that have kept this franchise stuck in the muck of mediocrity. The reality is even with these deals the product wouldn't be much different than without making the deals. It's better to have a plan in place and follow it rather than forever muddling along. This...SO much. Baseball teams do it all the time. NFL teams rarely admit to a rebuild because it is such a "win now" business. What these trades do is give us a much better chance of being better in the future. Although, that said, I do not think this year's results will be dramatically different than they would have been with Sammy and Darby. I saw 8 to 11 wins before, and I still see 8 to 11 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 honestly, I think I may just sit this one out... !@#$ed up !! Agree. Think I'm good on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 This...SO much. Baseball teams do it all the time. NFL teams rarely admit to a rebuild because it is such a "win now" business. What these trades do is give us a much better chance of being better in the future. Although, that said, I do not think this year's results will be dramatically different than they would have been with Sammy and Darby. I saw 8 to 11 wins before, and I still see 8 to 11 wins. I respect your view although I disagree with it, but this team is not going to win 8 games. They don't have the talent, and their schedule is brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLizzyMeock Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I was in shock at 1st but these are actually two pretty good trades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 What have we added so far, a 1,2 3, 7th rnd picks, Sammy was going to be too much $ anyway if he remained healthy. I like the move. Poor Tyrod Taylor, this is going to really hurt his big payday without his go to WR. I think that is another signal the Bills are ready to tank this year and load up with a real POTENTIAL franchise QB. Purge the Whaley/Rex era. The new regime is going to own this legacy 100%, we will see what happens 2-3 years from now. I lie the gamble, maybe Brady will have retired finally by then. Dolphins going other direction, all in this year. Jets and Bills, we will see in a few years which has a better FO/coaching. Pegula will fire them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 More reminiscent of Chip Kelly to me and we know how well that worked out Kinda has the same feel of something Marv and Polian would have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If anyone on this board thinks the production difference between J Matthews and S Watkins is going to be the difference between making the playoffs and not then I think they are crazy. The difference between making the playoffs and not is going to be the picks we got to get our franchise QB and Tyrod Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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