YoloinOhio Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) Cliffs notes http://deadspin.com/espn-the-seahawks-d-really-resents-russell-wilson-1795547558?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow ESPN: The Seahawks' D Really Resents Russell Wilson ESPNs Seth Wickersham went long on the simmering drama thats affected the Seattle Seahawks for a while now, with Russell Wilsons goal-line interception at the end of the Super Bowl nearly three years ago still haunting the locker room. The gist is that the defenseand Richard Sherman in particulardoesnt much care for what it perceives to be Pete Carrolls coddling of the offense, especially Wilson. Wickersham presents a clear contrast between a rough-hewn defense that forged itself into a dominant unit by emphasizing accountability on one side, and the pollyanna-ish positivity that characterizes Carroll and Wilson on the other. Sherman has basically been a pain in the ass about it; one unnamed former assistant coach told Wickersham, referring to Sherman, Hes made it personal. Its your fault were not winning. It wears guys thin. All that tension thus explains why both Sherman and the team were amenable to a trade that couldnt be pulled off earlier in the offseason. There are plenty of morsels in Wickershams story, but the most delicious might be the one from a June 2014 minicamp practice, just four months after the Seahawks won the Super Bowl by curb-stomping Peyton Manning and the Broncos: According to witnesses, Sherman threw the ball back to Wilson and yelled, You f-ing suck! Another fight broke out. Sherman was cussing and yelling; Wilson seemed stunned. Pete Carroll stopped practice and would later hold a series of meetings to remind the players they needed to build each other up, not tear each other downand that they needed to support their quarterback, further pissing off a defense that already thought the head coach went out of his way to protect him. Original article http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19446657/seattle-seahawks-cornerback-richard-sherman-let-go-problem-nfl-2017 Edited May 25, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Sherman is due an ACL tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The Seahawks are not done writing their story. The team is still pretty intact and should be another playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Will they fall apart this year. Trouble in the locker room is not good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianFan Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 yeah I saw that article. didn't bother reading. It's pretty obvious Sherman has had issues about that last play over the course of last season every time there was a goal line pass called by offense. The culture Pete Carroll has been fostering is one based on positive thinking and togetherness. Sherman should be cut honestly. Team and culture is more important than any single player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Sherman is my least favorite player in the NFL. He really is a smart and intelligent kid but over the top at times, would I love him on the Bills? Of course but his act is getting old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 The Seahawks are not done writing their story. The team is still pretty intact and should be another playoff team. I actually have enjoyed their playoffs problems the last few years....After SB48, their fans we're absolutely unbearable.....Dynasty this, Dynasty that....after 1 championship !! I hope they don't win another one for years and years.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I actually have enjoyed their playoffs problems the last few years....After SB48, their fans we're absolutely unbearable.....Dynasty this, Dynasty that....after 1 championship !! I hope they don't win another one for years and years.... You mean the 12s.. Yeah, I can honestly say when the Pats and Seachickens played one another in the SB, I wished it could have ended in a tie like the old college system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I actually have enjoyed their playoffs problems the last few years....After SB48, their fans we're absolutely unbearable.....Dynasty this, Dynasty that....after 1 championship !! I hope they don't win another one for years and years.... I like them as a team, Russ is entertaining to watch as a Fran Tarkenton clone, and the defense is unreal. In an era when everyone gets cute with blitz schemes, substitutions, "moneybackers", etc. etc. , they just line up in Cover 3 and say "beat us". Few teams do. I think they'll win another championship or two, they have too much young talent on long term contracts not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 I like them as a team, Russ is entertaining to watch as a Fran Tarkenton clone, and the defense is unreal. In an era when everyone gets cute with blitz schemes, substitutions, "moneybackers", etc. etc. , they just line up in Cover 3 and say "beat us". Few teams do. I think they'll win another championship or two, they have too much young talent on long term contracts not to. Don't get me wrong, they are one of the best 4 teams in the NFC with Dallas, Green Bay and Atlanta.....And they are entertaining ...just can't stand their fans....( I live in Seahawks country )....If they win another one, it will only get worse..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Why would a corner back care that his QB is treated well by the head coach? Because Sherman can't stand not having the glory put on him. He'll say it's defense vs offense but he's the kind of person that would bring on that division. This is about jealousy. If you're stupid enough to not understand QB's are/have been treated different for decades and at every level - then Harvard smart can no longer be used to describe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Sherman is one of a couple players that I would have no problem seeing get injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) The dislike of Russ seems petty and jealous. But I will say I thought something was up with him before our MNF game there last year, when he did the interview in the tunnel and looked like he just had a pre-game date with "Molly." It was bizarre. Edited May 25, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Well...If he thinks Russell Wilson sucks I hate to see Sherman on the about the 25 or so teams with worse QB situations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 25, 2017 Author Share Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) Well...If he thinks Russell Wilson sucks I hate to see Sherman on the about the 25 or so teams with worse QB situations... i think he may have realized that when Carroll came to him with the list of teams they would trade him to. Then he was like nahhhh just kidding! I love t here! Edited May 25, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grb Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 You wonder whether this article (a) conflates the entire Seattle defense with Sherman's issues, and (b) conflates Sherman popping off at times with his whole mindset. It has a click bait-feel to it, building the largest possible conclusion off a few hot head incidents. I don't doubt Sherman is a pretty smart guy, but he could definitely use an extra helping of impulse control....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Sherman is one of a couple players that I would have no problem seeing get injured he does seem like an incredible d-bag. but i wonder how much is him, and how much is this wrestling heel persona he has created for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Wilson is so overrated Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Sherman sounds like a real ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I heard the interview on the Ryan Ruscillo show with the guy who wrote it. It seriously sounds like there are severe issues in that locker room in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Let's not kid ourselves. The Hawks offense has been, at best, inconsistent over the past two seasons. I get that Sherman is hard to handle, but he is smart and a hard worker. He's probably right, but he needs to find a better way get his point across. They are still a team and he may be dividing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 he does seem like an incredible d-bag. but i wonder how much is him, and how much is this wrestling heel persona he has created for himself. Part of me wonders if you kinda have to be that brash playing corner to have any degree of national profile. When you're as good as Sherman has been, he's still known best for being an mouthy bastard in the eyes of the typical fan. Whereas Chris Harris of the Broncos, as PFF's 5-year leader of yards per coverage snap, is a complete unknown to many despite being ungodly gifted at his craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Part of me wonders if you kinda have to be that brash playing corner to have any degree of national profile. When you're as good as Sherman has been, he's still known best for being an mouthy bastard in the eyes of the typical fan. Whereas Chris Harris of the Broncos, as PFF's 5-year leader of yards per coverage snap, is a complete unknown to many despite being ungodly gifted at his craft. There is probably some truth to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 yeah I saw that article. didn't bother reading. It's pretty obvious Sherman has had issues about that last play over the course of last season every time there was a goal line pass called by offense. The culture Pete Carroll has been fostering is one based on positive thinking and togetherness. Sherman should be cut honestly. Team and culture is more important than any single player. Although in this example Sherman is probably the one portraying the culture that made the Seahawks successful. Whether we like it or not. he does seem like an incredible d-bag. but i wonder how much is him, and how much is this wrestling heel persona he has created for himself. I've always said that but if he's doing it at closed practices I have to wonder if there is even a line at this point or where he draws it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Age of Aquarius Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Rumor was Percy Harvin f*cked Russ's old lady and that's why he got shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 There are a lot of reasons not to like Sherman. One big reason is that the guy kind of cheats with drugs. I read somewhere that he took Adderal for "attention deficit disorder". Amphetamines could give him extra alertness and quicker reflexes. I think this ADD crap is just a way to cheat the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Rumor was Percy Harvin f*cked Russ's old lady and that's why he got shipped. That was golden tate But Wilson has long been a lightning rod in that locker room it seems- which is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonbus23 Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Sherman almost topped Brady as my least favorite player after last year's MNF game. Hate that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 That was golden tate But Wilson has long been a lightning rod in that locker room it seems- which is interesting. yep, and Harvin punched Tate in the face The future 30 for 30 on this team is looking intriguing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 The article isn;t telling the whole story, or gossip, according to what I've read, again its just gossip The rift is more between Sherman and Pete Carroll The offensive captains and the defensive captains The story is Carroll demands a very high level of excellence on his D, which Sherman feels they give him, year in and out Then at the same time Carroll coddles the offense, demands no such excellence Sherman is fed up with the inconsistency of his HC regarding the way he treats the two sides of the ball And thus wants to play for another coach and another team that is more appreciative of his unit's collective play He say's its not about his play, its about his team mates and unit being treated equally, and with more respect jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) The dislike of Russ seems petty and jealous. But I will say I thought something was up with him before our MNF game there last year, when he did the interview in the tunnel and looked like he just had a pre-game date with "Molly." It was bizarre. He talks like that all the time. He has been like that at NCstate and WI also. My brain can hardly keep up with the speed of his words. And he sometimes gives an answer to a question that was not asked. It is kind of funny. I remember that MNF interview. I turned to my spouse and we just laughed as I said WHAT!!?? He is a winner. Where ever he goes he made the team better and they won. NFL has been a little different as that edge he had in HS and NCAA is dissipated a bit with all the NFL talent. Seattle I agree he has not been the HOF QB carrying the team. The D carries that team. But he does not beat himself either and can turn it on at times. I agree with you: Not sure why anyone would not like him, especially since he toned down the God references he use to give every interview. Edited May 26, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 (edited) I would argue that any team with a consistently elite defense is going to have some borderline crazy & tough dudes to get along with. Russ is a top tier QB that still has lots of room to improve. That team is still so young, have they even peaked yet? Edited May 26, 2017 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KellyToughII Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 I trade the one problem, Sherman, and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 The article isn;t telling the whole story, or gossip, according to what I've read, again its just gossip The rift is more between Sherman and Pete Carroll The offensive captains and the defensive captains The story is Carroll demands a very high level of excellence on his D, which Sherman feels they give him, year in and out Then at the same time Carroll coddles the offense, demands no such excellence Sherman is fed up with the inconsistency of his HC regarding the way he treats the two sides of the ball And thus wants to play for another coach and another team that is more appreciative of his unit's collective play He say's its not about his play, its about his team mates and unit being treated equally, and with more respect jc Good luck Sherman. You think it is bad in Seattle? Just wait until you get a taste of some other NFL destinations. Just retire already before you kill someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Doomed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 A part of it is that many of the other black Seahawks players don't think Russ is black enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 A part of it is that many of the other black Seahawks players don't think Russ is black enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 26, 2017 Author Share Posted May 26, 2017 A part of it is that many of the other black Seahawks players don't think Russ is black enough. i remember that being said about RG3 as well back in his early years with Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 A part of it is that many of the other black Seahawks players don't think Russ is black enough. That is what everyone tells me also when I point out my DNA tests shows it links back to the cradle of life mom named Eve in Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted May 26, 2017 Share Posted May 26, 2017 That is what everyone tells me also when I point out my DNA tests shows it links back to the cradle of life mom named Eve in Africa. I think they might be telling you that so you leave them alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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