Bills decline to match Gillislee offer sheet

[Rico]

Doug Whaley is a clown.

Yes indeed.

[JM2009]

 

Ok, I can't believe i am spending so much time on this, but here goes.

 

Let's assume that JWill replicates his YPC average from 2016 (probably unlikely given he's going to be a year further from his injury and in his sophomore year). Then let's assume he get's the same amount of carries that MG got last year. The different in yards would be about 200 yards over the course of the year. Spread that out over 16 games and it's 13 yards a game less that we get from the RB position with JWill, assuming worst case scenario (that JWill doesn't progress at all and MG would have stayed the same).

 

You're going to say, what about TDs. I would submit that TDs are more of a fantasy football metric in terms of player evaluation. In other words, if JWill is put in on the goal line, he gets some TDs.

MG was a nice change of pace back for McCoy, and Williams is not the same talent. This is a loss. The running game was the Bills main strength.

[buffaloboyinATL]

you don't say... personally I hope we can improve on them

me too. Theoretically, if we draft a wide receiver with our first pick, Watkins becomes our number two receiver, so I guess that is an upgrade over Woods.

[JM2009]

We'd have to hit on more players in a single draft than we have in the last four years to make that a reality.

 

 

Ditto.

Sal M had a column today on how the Bills have no players on the roster from the 2013 draft. That is terrible.

[ndirish1978]

 

Whaley gets late 5th rounder for productive short yardage, goaline back and elite backup to a 29 year old with ton of mileage.

 

Whaley trades early 4th round pick for fumbling bust Bryce Brown....

 

Yeah Whaley is a genius.

 

I hate that it's harder for me to dislike your comments just because your SN and avatar may the the greatest thing in this thread.

[YoloinOhio]

 

Ok, I can't believe i am spending so much time on this, but here goes.

 

Let's assume that JWill replicates his YPC average from 2016 (probably unlikely given he's going to be a year further from his injury and in his sophomore year). Then let's assume he get's the same amount of carries that MG got last year. The different in yards would be about 200 yards over the course of the year. Spread that out over 16 games and it's 13 yards a game less that we get from the RB position with JWill, assuming worst case scenario (that JWill doesn't progress at all and MG would have stayed the same).

 

You're going to say, what about TDs. I would submit that TDs are more of a fantasy football metric in terms of player evaluation. In other words, if JWill is put in on the goal line, he gets some TDs.

but but Patriots

[Boatdrinks]

yes, but for less money. That's how the NFL works in the salary cap era.

What an idiot Skurski is. So the Bills should retain all their FA's and pay them top salaries . Then draft backups at other positions until they're ready to start. Perhaps that worked, prior to around 1993. Skurski, living in the past....

[Deranged Rhino]

Bills recent 5th round picks all say hi

 

[dubs]

MG was a nice change of pace back for McCoy, and Williams is not the same talent. This is a loss. The running game was the Bills main strength.

 

You honestly do not know that. You have no idea. You are speculating. Which is fine, but just acknowledge it.

 

JWill was a more "talented" prospect coming out of college than MG, according to their pre-draft write-ups.

[JM2009]

What an idiot Skurski is. So the Bills should retain all their FA's and pay them top salaries . Then draft backups at other positions until they're ready to start. Perhaps that worked, prior to around 1993. Skurski, living in the past....

You mean idiots are not the organization that has missed the playoffs for 17 straight years, probably heading for 18? No one models their organization after OBD.

[John from Riverside]

 

I might also add.....Jonathan Wiilliams....the jury is frankly still out

[dubs]

but but Patriots

That's what is causing all this craziness. It's so frustrating to read.

 

I liked MG, I really did. But not losing any sleep over this.

[The Jokeman]

@chrisbrownbills

Just an interesting note. #Bills get pick No. 163 overall from Pats for Gillislee. Gillislee pick No. 164 by Miami in 2013 draft.

a.d when will he complete the AFC East tour and join the Jets?

[dave mcbride]

 

To be fair, the Bills are are really getting an early 6th round pick (applying some basic math here) at #163.

[Turk71]

Gillislee, 26, was the Bills' No. 2 running back last season behind LeSean McCoy, rushing 101 times for 577 yards and eight touchdowns. Among NFL running backs with a qualifying number of carries, Gillislee led the league in yards per rush (5.71), rushes per touchdown (12.6), first-down rate on rushes (38.6 percent) and third-down conversion rate on rushes (75 percent).

 

a 5th round pick should replace that pretty easily I would think. smh

[JM2009]

 

You honestly do not know that. You have no idea. You are speculating. Which is fine, but just acknowledge it.

 

JWill was a more "talented" prospect coming out of college than MG, according to their pre-draft write-ups.

And from their body of work in the NFL in Buffalo, I'd say MG is the better player.

[NoSaint]

 

Ok, I can't believe i am spending so much time on this, but here goes.

 

Let's assume that JWill replicates his YPC average from 2016 (probably unlikely given he's going to be a year further from his injury and in his sophomore year). Then let's assume he get's the same amount of carries that MG got last year. The different in yards would be about 200 yards over the course of the year. Spread that out over 16 games and it's 13 yards a game less that we get from the RB position with JWill, assuming worst case scenario (that JWill doesn't progress at all and MG would have stayed the same).

 

You're going to say, what about TDs. I would submit that TDs are more of a fantasy football metric in terms of player evaluation. In other words, if JWill is put in on the goal line, he gets some TDs.

Not just TDs but conversions on third and fourth are big points for MG, no?

[Boatdrinks]

MG was a nice change of pace back for McCoy, and Williams is not the same talent. This is a loss. The running game was the Bills main strength.

And it got them nowhere. 5 wins, with the great MG on the roster. So there that. By some accounts, J Will was a potential steal of that draft. He fumbled once or twice and got in RR's doghouse, hardly heard from again. Perhaps the guy can play, it's a bit early to say he can't , no? MG was cut before arriving in BUF , no one here ever heard of the guy. It's a backup RB , not a premierposition in today's NFL. Teams find productive guys at RB all the time.

[LABILLBACKER]

I would wager that we are already done...Shady getting hurt only moves us closer to #1 from #s7-12

Hey, if it means we have a chance to get Darnold then I don't care who we keep or get rid of....

[ogham26]

should have never been in this position. but honestly he isnt the difference between playoffs or not so at the end of the day hows tyrod going to play this year?

[dubs]

Not just TDs but conversions on third and fourth are big points for MG, no?

 

Possibly. We won't know until the year starts.

 

Obviously if we could have either MG or JW for the same cost, you'd take MG. It's just not that simple. I know you know that...just some of these other posters that post as if they are on twitter burning someone is crazy.

[JM2009]

And it got them nowhere. 5 wins, with the great MG on the roster. So there that. By some accounts, J Will was a potential steal of that draft. He fumbled once or twice and got in RR's doghouse, hardly heard from again. Perhaps the guy can play, it's a bit early to say he can't , no? MG was cut before arriving in BUF , no one here ever heard of the guy. It's a backup RB , not a premierposition in today's NFL. Teams find productive guys at RB all the time.

He played very well here and fit in nicely and was one of the keys to the best running attack in the NFL-the one main strength of the Bills-which just got weaker.

[Boatdrinks]

You mean idiots are not the organization that has missed the playoffs for 17 straight years, probably heading for 18? No one models their organization after OBD.

There are many , many reasons to criticize the management at OBD. Plenty of low hanging fruit there to be had. Histrionics by JS over what value the Bills placed on a backup RB aside, this has to be faarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr down that laundry list. Might have a slight impact on if the Bills get a top ten pick next year or not, that's about it.

[BADOLBILZ]

if nothing else we can hope its a cheaper and more explosive WR, a cheaper and good scheme fit at CB and break even at RB. plus whatever you chalk up the savings as spent on.

 

that said, not my favorite situation.

 

And mountains of cap room the next couple years and nobody in-house to spend it on.

 

Bills fans should brace themselves for a flurry of free agent visits over the next two years as agents use them as leverage to get better deals in places they WANT to play..........and the Bills earn the right to overpay a bunch of dudes that don't mind losin' for a couple years if the price is right.....and then deal with their first year acclimation issues(see Clay and McCoy 2015) to boot.

 

The fact that this impacts their draft decision process AT ALL is bad in itself.

 

I assumed they'd pick a RB to rotate with MG when Shady is gone in 2018.......now one might not even be enough to keep them out of the RB market in round 1 and 2 in the next couple years.

 

With all parts of their running game intact I thought they had more options in round 1 but now starting to think they might overdraft a receiver or two as well.

[Boatdrinks]

He played very well here and fit in nicely and was one of the keys to the best running attack in the NFL-the one main strength of the Bills-which just got weaker.

That strength got them five wins last year.... I'd love for this team to be so successful that I would fret over who the backup RB is. It isn't.

[Augie]

I might also add.....Jonathan Wiilliams....the jury is frankly still out

Well, maybe the jury is on their way back, but they are just doing it veeeerrrrrrry sloooooowly. I heard great things about him early, but then he got hurt (foot?) and he just seemed very slow. I hope I'm wrong.

[yungmack]

Good.

They maybe messed up by not putting the 2nd round tender, but don't double down by overpaying. That's how the terrorists (aka Pats) win.

If they put a 2nd round tender, who would have taken him? By putting a 5th on him, the Bills were essentially dangling him for an additional pick.

[JM2009]

That strength got them five wins last year.... I'd love for this team to be so successful that I would fret over who the backup RB is. It isn't.

The bIlls were 7-9 last year. 8-8 if Taylor had played that last game. Where is this 5 wins coming from?

[HappyDays]

Sounds like Adrian Peterson Will be signing with the Saints for $3 million this year. So Gilislee signed with the Pats* for more, crazy.

Any team other than the Pats would get roasted for this. But it's the Pats so every move is gold! They traded a 5th round pick for a backup RB with one year of good production under a talented offensive line and Shady leading the way, not to mention a mobile QB on the field. I'm blown anyway anyone could think this is a smart move for them. I mean it ultimately doesn't mattter, they could burn all their picks this year and still likely win the Super Bowl. I'm just happy they gifted us a pick for a player I never expected to keep...

Edited April 24, 2017 by HappyDays

[The Jokeman]

Ok. Take 2 of the 3 5th rounders and trade up for a 4th and target Peterman.

I like Peterman but rather trade down in Round 3 and add a 4 to hopefully add him yet wouldn't be against taking him Round 3 either.

[Offside Number 76]

Glad they didn't compound the initial mistake of not giving him a second-round offer sheet.

[Boatdrinks]

That's what is causing all this craziness. It's so frustrating to read.

 

I liked MG, I really did. But not losing any sleep over this.

But don't you know, if the Bills had only retained MGs services, they would keep us all from having to watch the Pats in the SB next year. Hope you put your bet into Vegas on the Pats before today. Their odds just got a lot better

[Turk71]

Gillislee, 26, was the Bills' No. 2 running back last season behind LeSean McCoy, rushing 101 times for 577 yards and eight touchdowns. Among NFL running backs with a qualifying number of carries, Gillislee led the league in yards per rush (5.71), rushes per touchdown (12.6), first-down rate on rushes (38.6 percent) and third-down conversion rate on rushes (75 percent).

 

Only one person led the entire league in all those categories. It was just random luck and anybody could have done it. A lot of running backs in the NFL but one guy led the league in all those categories. No big deal, he is a 5th round backup. Dime a dozen. What absolute fools the Patriots are.

[Boatdrinks]

Glad they didn't compound the initial mistake of not giving him a second-round offer sheet.

Why was that a mistake? Maybe they didn't want to pay him what that 2nd round tender was worth? No team was giving up a 2nd for MG.

[Buffalo Boy]

In a deep RB draft, I'll take the extra pick and good luck to him.

[JM2009]

But don't you know, if the Bills had only retained MGs services, they would keep us all from having to watch the Pats in the SB next year. Hope you put your bet into Vegas on the Pats before today. Their odds just got a lot better

SMH MG is just another piece on NE's roster. On the Bills he was a much bigger piece on a roster far less talented overall then NEs.

[Boatdrinks]

Gillislee, 26, was the Bills' No. 2 running back last season behind LeSean McCoy, rushing 101 times for 577 yards and eight touchdowns. Among NFL running backs with a qualifying number of carries, Gillislee led the league in yards per rush (5.71), rushes per touchdown (12.6), first-down rate on rushes (38.6 percent) and third-down conversion rate on rushes (75 percent).

Only one person led the entire league in all those categories. It was just random luck and anybody could have done it. A lot of running backs in the NFL but one guy led the league in all those categories. No big deal, he is a 5th round backup. Dime a dozen. What absolute fools the Patriots are.

Weren't the Bills pretty good at rushing the ball the previous year, with Karlos Williams as the backup RB? Might the team just be good at run blocking?

[BADOLBILZ]

 

My point is that the MG deal and the TT deal don't make sense together. I like letting a RB walk in a vacuum. The issue is again, can anyone figure out what is going on over there?

 

 

MG and TT made perfect sense together.

 

Best scoring offense the Bills have had in 25 years despite almost no help from WR position.

[Boatdrinks]

SMH MG is just another piece on NE's roster. On the Bills he was a much bigger piece on a roster far less talented overall then NEs.

Just a big enough piece to miss the playoffs. The Bills aren't getting there until they have a better QB and a better defense. They could have Peterson at backup RB and still wouldn't make it.

[JM2009]

Just a big enough piece to miss the playoffs. The Bills aren't getting there until they have a better QB and a better defense. They could have Peterson at backup RB and still wouldn't make it.

If the defense was average in 2016, the Bills would have made the WC and not Miami.