mead107 Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 do we drop below 20? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 do we drop below 20? that's where I'm hoping to go. Best chance on getting a first next year and second this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 IMO, most likely trade down is to 12 or 13, which would probably net us a 3rd. I'd do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 IMO, most likely trade down is to 12 or 13, which would probably net us a 3rd. I'd do it. I am thinking this is the most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 This is a very flat and deep draft so I don't mind moving back pretty far as long as compensation is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloed in Pa Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Just depends on what they are giving? I think its a deep draft at alot of positions. An extra 2 and 3 would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 do we drop below 20? i hope we drop all the way into the first next year. b nice to have two of 'em... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Dropping below 20 pretty much guarantees a second 1st next year & something nice this year....so yes, I'm down. Extra picks in a deep draft this year plus a one in 2018? Where do I sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 9, 2017 Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 Dropping below 20 pretty much guarantees a second 1st next year & something nice this year....so yes, I'm down. Extra picks in a deep draft this year plus a one in 2018? Where do I sign. i like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Its possible houston might look to jump up to 10 to have their pick at qb, especially if all of them are still on the board. Dropping down to 25 would likely get us their 2nd this year and 1st next year. I would love this scenario. Still should be able to get a great player at 25 and now also 2 more probable starters or major contributers in the 2nd. And of course having 2 1st round picks next year is the real bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 9, 2017 Author Share Posted April 9, 2017 That would be good for the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck204 Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) I'd like to see us drop down to the early 20's and pick up an extra 2nd rounder. We have so many holes to fill and the extra pick will really help fill some of those needs. The guy I'd look at in the early 20's is Jarrad Davis, LB from Florida. Edited April 9, 2017 by Canuck204 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Didn't know where to put this but thought it was an interesting nugget that I heard on the radio in New Orleans. The Saints have traded up in every single draft except the bounty gate year and haven't traded back since 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 17, 2017 Author Share Posted April 17, 2017 Interesting information about the saints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 that's where I'm hoping to go. Best chance on getting a first next year and second this year. ...THAT should be the goal IMO............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Interesting information about the saintsPeople always talk about trading back but apparently teams are doing it differently. They won a Super Bowl in that span. I am NOT advocating trading up in this draft because I think that we need the picks. I wonder if there are other teams with trends this strong? Edited April 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) People always talk about trading back but apparently teams are doing it differently. They won a Super Bowl in that span. I am NOT advocating trading up in this draft because I think that we need the picks. I wonder if there are other teams with trends this strong?Some might say that, coupled with the missing on free agents, is how they got to be .500 with a hall of fame qb though. Edited April 17, 2017 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Some might say that, coupled with the missing on free agents, is how they got to be .500 with a hall of fame qb though.Oh, I'm not saying it worked. I just thought that it was interesting. Their drafts have been weird, full of stars and busts. They rarely draft a solid player it feels like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Usually I am not a fan of trading back. In this draft though I think it would be a good move since they only have 6 picks and it's a deep draft. Won't be easy to get the value they want out of it though for those same reasons. I would be fine with dropping below 20 if they got a second this year and a 4th, and a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Usually I am not a fan of trading back. In this draft though I think it would be a good move since they only have 6 picks and it's a deep draft. Won't be easy to get the value they want out of it though for those same reasons. I would be fine with dropping below 20 if they got a second this year and a 4th, and a player. I have been on board because I think that they need 4 starters still. An extra pick in the top 100 should be enough to get that done. I'd be all for going to 25 and getting a 3rd and next year's first (or something like that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Man if Houston loves one of the qbs I'd love them to give us 2nd this year and first next year Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Don't know the statistics, but I would think teams with a new coach trade back a lot more than they trade up. If I were a new coach however, I'd be doing everything I could to get a QB if I didn't already have a franchise one. Would be really surprised if Bills don't draft a QB with one of their top 2 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Its possible houston might look to jump up to 10 to have their pick at qb, especially if all of them are still on the board. Dropping down to 25 would likely get us their 2nd this year and 1st next year. I would love this scenario. Still should be able to get a great player at 25 and now also 2 more probable starters or major contributers in the 2nd. And of course having 2 1st round picks next year is the real bonus http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/ That's nonsense... The drop from #10 (1300) down to #25 (720) is 580pts which is the approximate value of the top of the 2nd round (#33) so maybe you get #25 and their 2nd rd pick this year - maybe something next year... certainly NOT their 1st next year... Just NOT going to happen... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/ That's nonsense... The drop from #10 (1300) down to #25 (720) is 580pts which is the approximate value of the top of the 2nd round (#33) so maybe you get #25 and their 2nd rd pick this year - maybe something next year... certainly NOT their 1st next year... Just NOT going to happen... Really? They say a 1st next year is the equivalent of a 2nd this year. The Bills elected to keep their 2nd in 2014 instead of their 1st in 2015. If the Bills went from 10 to 25 they would have a VERY good chance to land a 2018 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 Really? They say a 1st next year is the equivalent of a 2nd this year. The Bills elected to keep their 2nd in 2014 instead of their 1st in 2015. If the Bills went from 10 to 25 they would have a VERY good chance to land a 2018 1st. Well, I guess that we will find out which of us is right very shortly... side bet? And who is this mysterious "THEY" you speak of? And I don't believe that the Bills are any less needy at QB as any of these other teams that you might wanna mention... If it's in their interest to draft one of these QB's then isn't it also in the Bills interest to "stay put" and solve their own QB problem? If I was a new HC I'd be very leery about entrusting my coaching future to TT and/or Cardale jones... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Well, I guess that we will find out which of us is right very shortly... side bet? And who is this mysterious "THEY" you speak of? And I don't believe that the Bills are any less needy at QB as any of these other teams that you might wanna mention... If it's in their interest to draft one of these QB's then isn't it also in the Bills interest to "stay put" and solve their own QB problem? If I was a new HC I'd be very leery about entrusting my coaching future to TT and/or Cardale jones... You don't think that the Bills are less needy at QB than Houston or Cleveland? Their QB has 47 TDs and 12 TDs the last 2 years. That is WAY better than what those teams are getting. It's also ahead of Miami, KC, Baltimore (if you want to look at the numbers) amongst others. I don't know if the Bills will get a 2018 1st not but if they go to 25 they will. That is the general rule of thumb. If you wait a year you gain a round. There are lots and lots and lots of examples of this. Edited April 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills of Boston Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Houston doesn't have a second this year (osweiler deal) but I'm all for finagling a 2nd first rounder for next year as well as an extra pick or two this year in a trade back. We shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 (edited) Houston doesn't have a second this year (osweiler deal) but I'm all for finagling a 2nd first rounder for next year as well as an extra pick or two this year in a trade back. We shall seei believe the 2nd they gave to Cleveland is for 2018. They did get a 2017 4th from Cleveland in that deal. Edited April 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills of Boston Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Oh was it? My mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 18, 2017 Author Share Posted April 18, 2017 Trade down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBoner21 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 We have so many holes to fill... (CB, LB, WR, OT & Possibly TE in Rick Dennison's offense) Trading back would be the best case scenario... We only have 6 picks to begin with (no 4th rounder or 7th rounder), so if we can trade back and receive another pick or two, it could really help... This draft is so deep with Defensive Backs, which is a big need that we have. It's also very deep with big size WR's & TE's.. If we can trade back and grab one of the top CB's later in the 1st round, or TE such as David Njoku or OJ Howard who seems to be dropping in draft projections.. That adds another weapon for Tyrod Taylor. Both OJ Howard and David Njoku are WR's in TE's bodies.. in the 2nd and 3rd round we can still get a really good CB or LB, or if we go defense in the 1st round, we can still get a good WR in the 2nd or 3rd round, a WR with size and speed, there are a lot of them out there.. If anyone has watched tape on Rick Dennison's offense, he likes to line up with either 2 TE's or a FB and RB... that's why Patrick Dimarco and Mike Tolbert were both really good pick ups.. they can both line up in the back field, but can also line up in the slot which can cause confusion for defenses. It would spread out the defense and allow Shady to run wild... once Shady gets past the 1st level, he is so elusive, he can take the distance anytime the balls in his hands.. Personally I would love to trade back in the 1st round, grab a late round pick or picks and add depth to the areas in which we need.. Regardless of where we draft in the 1st round, I truly believe no matter where we draft in the 1st round, that pick will be a day 1 starter.. I also think with pick number 44 (2nd Round) we can also grab another day 1 starter. Anyone who thinks we should draft a QB in the 1st/2nd round is crazy in my opinion. We need someone with those 1st two picks to come in and start from day 1... a Rookie QB is not going to be the starter this year, unless Tyrod goes down in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 (edited) REPORT: Bills making calls to trade down & out of 10th spot ahead of draft http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/report-bills-making-calls-to-trade-down-out-of-10th-spot-ahead-of-draft Edited April 23, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 REPORT: Bills making calls to trade down & out of 10th spot ahead of drafthttp://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/report-bills-making-calls-to-trade-down-out-of-10th-spot-ahead-of-draft Not surprising . Given their needs, a move down is their best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 REPORT: Bills making calls to trade down & out of 10th spot ahead of draft http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/report-bills-making-calls-to-trade-down-out-of-10th-spot-ahead-of-draft Why would anyone trade up into 10 BEFORE the draft? No one's going to make a move like that until they see who's still on the board. Maybe the Bills are just testing the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 I said this in the shout box, but if the rumors are right that Carolina loves McCaffrey, that could push Fournette to 10. Teams know the Bills are not taking him, however, you know NO will if he is there. Teams like Philly (14th), Indy (15th), TB (19th) will for sure be calling to get ahead of NO, but also NO will be looking to move up 1 spot so these teams can't. I really think this is the only chance we have at moving down. I don't see any other player that teams will want to move up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 ...the monetary reason to trade down has been eliminated with rookie cap (last cashers were Bradford at $50 mil and Stafford at $41 mil).......so now it is solely positional strategy to land YOUR guy....makes finding partners a bit more difficult IMO....hard to envision yesteryear when draft was 17 rounds......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins_deep Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Jmho but i dont get why teams dont trade down non stop. Id treat every draft like a recruiting class. ( guys are gone after 4 yrs now) Id literally trade down as much as possible per every round Id try to get close to 15 picks or more. Id treat the 1st round as a tool to live in rds 2-5 My draft would b something like 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 7 7 I said this in the shout box, but if the rumors are right that Carolina loves McCaffrey, that could push Fournette to 10. Teams know the Bills are not taking him, however, you know NO will if he is there. Teams like Philly (14th), Indy (15th), TB (19th) will for sure be calling to get ahead of NO, but also NO will be looking to move up 1 spot so these teams can't. I really think this is the only chance we have at moving down. I don't see any other player that teams will want to move up for. i want as many picks as possible. Screw the flash rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Jmho but i dont get why teams dont trade down non stop. Id treat every draft like a recruiting class. ( guys are gone after 4 yrs now) Id literally trade down as much as possible per every round Id try to get close to 15 picks or more. Id treat the 1st round as a tool to live in rds 2-5 My draft would b something like 2 2 2 2 3 3 3 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 7 7 i want as many picks as possible. Screw the flash rb. Two teams that have done this that stick out in my mind are Cleve and NE. Both have some of the worst drafting success. You need high picks. Just having picks doesn't guarantee anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 Would love to trade down with the Giants (who'll pick Howard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 REPORT: Bills making calls to trade down & out of 10th spot ahead of draft http://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/report-bills-making-calls-to-trade-down-out-of-10th-spot-ahead-of-draft If this is true, then it suggests that the Bills don't have a QB that they have high confidence in and want badly. Correct? Because if they did, they wouldn't trade out of that spot and gamble on missing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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