BuffAlone Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Might we replace him with Zach Cunningham? We seem to have more urgent first round needs. WR and CB/safety. I've been telling people...Wlb is the most important player in a McD defense. I'm not sure if that translates to a Frazier D,but all signs point Wlb,Cb,S in the draft. Toss in Wr,and a little depth,and that's a wrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I've been telling people...Wlb is the most important player in a McD defense. I'm not sure if that translates to a Frazier D,but all signs point Wlb,Cb,S in the draft. Toss in Wr,and a little depth,and that's a wrap That sounds about right. And the McDermott D will be the Frazier D. Still think they grab a QB in there somewhere , though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 That sounds about right. And the McDermott D will be the Frazier D. Still think they grab a QB in there somewhere , though. I like Watson or Mahomes if they can get a late first pick or use the second on qb. If not, I'd take a flier on Chad Kelly if Jim vouches for the fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 He may come back.. Likely his agent overvauled hims and told him there was no way the Bills could afford him. Or McDermott doesn't want a quitter back with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 He may come back.. Likely his agent overvauled hims and told him there was no way the Bills could afford him. Or McDermott doesn't want a quitter back with the team. What's all the quitter talk about? Did Zach do some quitting I was unaware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I would like to see Brown back with the Bills. Let the best LB's start and have good rotational players/depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) What's all the quitter talk about? Did Zach do some quitting I was unaware of? His production tailed off the second half of the season and some folks think he started playing soft and thinking about staying healthy for his next contract. A lot of surmise. Edited March 13, 2017 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Well he wasn't injured so something was going on? Maybe bring him back cheap on a 2 yr deal. Don't want to make the same mistake like London Fletcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 (edited) Nobody ever mentions this, I guess everybody forgot, but Rex Ryan's defense is known to create linebackers out of thin air. Just look at his teams over the years and they crank out linebackers from nowhere.  He's explained that openly before, the defensive linemen are supposed to tie up blockers and let the linebackers make the plays. That's one of the reasons Mario McPussypants became the cancer that he apparently is now permanently, because he didn't want his play to be setting up anybody else  I think the rest of the league has got wise to this and they don't overvalue linebackers in Rexys system. So it's entirely possible that brown comes back to us Edited March 13, 2017 by Meathead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I could see Brown getting 6-8 million per. He doesn't have the credentials that Hightower has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 His production tailed off the second half of the season and some folks think he started playing soft and thinking about staying healthy for his next contract. A lot of surmise. I didn't really see a tail off. Couple monster games early on that skewed expectations maybe, and a couple of bad plays against Ajayi and others. But still finished second in the league in tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I've been telling people...Wlb is the most important player in a McD defense. I'm not sure if that translates to a Frazier D,but all signs point Wlb,Cb,S in the draft. Toss in Wr,and a little depth,and that's a wrap Good points. and Frazier will run McD's D. His production tailed off the second half of the season and some folks think he started playing soft and thinking about staying healthy for his next contract. A lot of surmise. I was wondering about this too. Hard to tell who was and wasn't laying down a little late in the season. Ryans had lost the Defense by then I could see Brown getting 6-8 million per. He doesn't have the credentials that Hightower has. that's much too much for him. Â Â IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 For what its worth Zack had a top 5-10 PFF rating through the initial 11-12 games but as RB's pile dup yardage against us he swooned big time in the last 4-5 games, I believe that's the tail off folks are referring too, which affected ratings in whatever metric you want to use for all our starting LB's and Shaq  The tail off was prominent enough that I was very surprised when he was named an alternative to the pro-bowl because lots of other ILB had better ratings  jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Â Â Â I mean he made the pro-bowl, granted as an alternate. Â The pundits had me believing we could not afford the guy. Clearly we can with our cap space, and we let Klein go without apparently any interest. Â I wonder if we are waiting to see what happens with Kendricks, or have a 5-6 million/year offer out to Brown who is also waiting to see what happens. Â Â Fill me in on the details on this hooker. I am out the loop on our LB FA hunt. Whos Kendricks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmonkillebrew Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 For what its worth Zack had a top 5-10 PFF rating through the initial 11-12 games but as RB's pile dup yardage against us he swooned big time in the last 4-5 games, I believe that's the tail off folks are referring too, which affected ratings in whatever metric you want to use for all our starting LB's and Shaq  The tail off was prominent enough that I was very surprised when he was named an alternative to the pro-bowl because lots of other ILB had better ratings  jc interesting. good to know. love these boards for tidbits like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted March 14, 2017 Author Share Posted March 14, 2017   Fill me in on the details on this hooker. I am out the loop on our LB FA hunt. Whos Kendricks?  Klein = Kuekleys backup from Carolina, went elsewhere  Kendricks = Lance Kendricks, TE from RAMS, our new TE coach was the rams OC, but he also signed elsewhere now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Well he wasn't injured so something was going on? Maybe bring him back cheap on a 2 yr deal. Don't want to make the same mistake like London Fletcher. Some players just want OUT. Teams are foolish to make them stay because they won't play with heart. ex LYNCH wanted OUT. Mario also wanted out. Â Some players who ant more $$$ play harder, some just hold out. What type do you want on your team? Â If Brown gets no offers then he has been schooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Has Brown even had any visits that have been reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Some players just want OUT. Teams are foolish to make them stay because they won't play with heart. ex LYNCH wanted OUT. Mario also wanted out. Â Some players who ant more $$$ play harder, some just hold out. What type do you want on your team? Â If Brown gets no offers then he has been schooled. I think Lynch wanted out because he knew the team wasn't going anywhere. The damn guy's retired and they still haven't gone anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Klein = Kuekleys backup from Carolina, went elsewhere  Kendricks = Lance Kendricks, TE from RAMS, our new TE coach was the rams OC, but he also signed elsewhere now.  i think he is talking about kendricks the lb from philly, i think they are trying to trade him before they probably cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 i think he is talking about kendricks the lb from philly, i think they are trying to trade him before they probably cut him  yea I think you're right, I forgot about Mykel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 @RapSheet The #Raiders are getting a visit from #Bills FA LB Zach Brown, source said. Would be an upgrade over what they had last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Comp pick Comp pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Comp pick Comp pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ap-source-lb-zach-brown-to-visit-raiders-031517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I would really like to keep Brown. Not at all costs. Ragland can be the MLB, Spikes anchored that spot in 2014 and I think Ragland is better than Spikes in a lot of ways. But at OLB I don't see much outside of Preston Brown. I am not sure where Lorax fits as I think he is best suited for DE same goes for Shaq. Having Both Browns flank Ragland is a pretty good LB core behind a very good defensive line. Zach Brown gives them a lot better coverage from the lineback position which could be lacking with Ragland and Preston Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Zach has left Oakland with one thing on his mind. Â @ZachBrown_55 Gone, Outta here - moneybagg yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Gin and juice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Zach has left Oakland with one thing on his mind. Â @ZachBrown_55 Gone, Outta here - moneybagg yo What does that mean??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) What does that mean??? Â I believe that it means that he's on his way to someone who might pay him what he's looking for. Â And that Oakland clearly didn't. Â Also, the replies to that tweet are something. Raider fans think quite highly of themselves. Edited March 16, 2017 by Blokestradamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 They gave his $$ to EJ. I'd be insulted too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 They gave his $$ to EJ. I'd be insulted too  When you put it like that....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Â I believe that it means that he's on his way to someone who might pay him what he's looking for. Â And that Oakland clearly didn't. Â Also, the replies to that tweet are something. Raider fans think quite highly of themselves. Hightower came up 3-5 million short on what he thought he would get... I wonder what ZB is looking at, 6 per? 15 guaranteed or maybe less. Teams are really getting tough on ILB value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsGuru4 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Please just sign him doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 The longer he sits on the market, two things come to mind: Â 1) he will come cheaper and cheaper as time ticks on. Â 2) maybe he has overvalued himself and is seeking a contract higher than the market thinks he is worth. Â Either way, for someone who believes you can't have too many Lbs, bringing him back at reasonable starter money would be a nice pick up. As far as I'm concerned, no news is good news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 What does that mean??? Â It means he knows we gave him a chance to start when no one else would - he owes us a discount and he's coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Â It means he knows we gave him a chance to start when no one else would - he owes us a discount and he's coming back. That would be cool.. If he did come back would he be the WLB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGBillsFan Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 IMO...Zach and probably his agent have overvalued him....he is going to have to reset his expectations and value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 I think Colts are interested. They didn't get Poe so he'll probably get his money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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