R2ITRich Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 My Brother, having nothing better to do, started a thread with his friends that created the following list that rated the BILLS QB's from Best to Worst. In Buffalo’s 55 years of existence, there have been 3 franchise QB’s, 3 good QB’s, 2 average QB’s, and 19 QB’s that suck. 1. ==== Franchise QBs ==== 2. Jim Kelly 3. Joe Ferguson 4. Jack Kemp 5. ==== Good QBs ==== 6. Doug Flutie 7. Tyrod Taylor 8. Frank Reich 9. ==== Average QBs ==== 10. Drew Bledsoe 11. Ryan Fitzpatrick 12. ==== QBs that Suck ==== 13. Kyle Orton 14. Dennis Shaw 15. Daryl Lamonica 16. Trent Edwards 17. Thad Lewis 18. Rob Johnson 19. Kelly Holcomb 20. Bruce Matheson 21. Dan Manucci 22. Ed Ruthkowski 23. Vince Ferragamo 24. Alex Van Pelt 25. EJ Manuel 26. JP Losman 27. Todd Collins 28. Gary Marangi 29. Brian Brohm 30. Billy Joe Holbert 31. Jeff Tuel We are interested in hearing any comments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Wait??? Joe Ferguson was a franchise QB? No..No he was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l< j Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Billy Joe is ranked too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro T Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Lamonica sucked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Thad is ranked kind of high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Thad, Trent and Fergy too high, Lamonica is too low. I also think that there should be a below average starter tier for guys like Orton. They didn't suck but weren't average. For the most part though I like what you guys did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Billy Joe is ranked too high.Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Matt Cassel once alerted a woman about a fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Full career, or just bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Interesting list. Shows you why the Bills have lost more than they've won. Bruce Matheson was pretty bad, should be below JP. Lamonica should go up several spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 You forgot Willie Totten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2ITRich Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 Full career, or just bills? Only as a Bill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Interesting list. Shows you why the Bills have lost more than they've won. Bruce Matheson was pretty bad, should be below JP. Lamonica should go up several spots. And Kemp goes in front of Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Matt Cassel once alerted a woman about a fire He also started last year's season opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Kemp before Ferguson Reich should probably be in the average QBs Taylor is good? After less than a full season? Flute is too high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Billy Joe is ranked too high. Billy Joe should not even be listed as "==== QBs that Suck ====" Billy Joe should should be listed as "==== QBs that did not even try ====" Thad is ranked kind of high. Agree. EJ should be ranked higher despite disdain on this board - 19 TDs in 16 games is a lot better than Thad Lewis and a lot above him could accomplish. It is a political ranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Solid list. I was watching an NFL Network show and old Bills guys were talking about why they drafted Frank. They said it was because he played his best in high pressure situations. Damn they were rite. Reich was one of the best back up QBs of all time at least in a Bills uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Vince Ferragamo and Bruce Mathison are not nearly low enough. Joe Dufek is last and will always be last until the Bills start an actual dead person at QB. How about Brian McClure, are we not counting strike scabs? Dennis Shaw was Offensive ROY in 1970 so that automatically puts him ahead of a bunch of guys. Lamonica absolutely positively did not suck. My grandmother would tell you until the day she died about how pissed off she was when they traded him to Oakland. Others missing: Matt Cassel Leo Hart Dan Darragh James Harris Kay Stephenson Tom Flores Warren Rabb Al Dorow Johnny Green MC Reynolds Tommy O"Connell Bob Brodhead and Richie Lucas (our 1st ever draft choice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Vince Ferragamo and Bruce Mathison are not nearly low enough. Joe Dufek is last and will always be last until the Bills start an actual dead person at QB. How about Brian McClure, are we not counting strike scabs? Dennis Shaw was Offensive ROY in 1970 so that automatically puts him ahead of a bunch of guys. Lamonica absolutely positively did not suck. My grandmother would tell you until the day she died about how pissed off she was when they traded him to Oakland. Others missing: Matt Cassel Leo Hart Dan Darragh James Harris Kay Stephenson Tom Flores Warren Rabb Al Dorow Johnny Green MC Reynolds Tommy O"Connell Bob Brodhead and Richie Lucas (our 1st ever draft choice) The only one on that list worth a damn is James Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsLux Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Excellent Job with the list. Agree with Fergy near the top of the list. Never got his due. A few months ago, actually watched a YouTube replay of the 1980-81 playoff game against the chargers that we lost. In that game alone, Fergy, with a broken foot, through more 20 yard darts over the middle of the field then we've seen in total over the last 5 years (a tad of an exaggeration, but you get the point).A guy who had an arm, could throw to a spot, and was tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 My Brother, having nothing better to do, started a thread with his friends that created the following list that rated the BILLS QB's from Best to Worst. In Buffalo’s 55 years of existence, there have been 3 franchise QB’s, 3 good QB’s, 2 average QB’s, and 19 QB’s that suck. 1. ==== Franchise QBs ==== 2. Jim Kelly 3. Joe Ferguson 4. Jack Kemp 5. ==== Good QBs ==== 6. Doug Flutie 7. Tyrod Taylor 8. Frank Reich 9. ==== Average QBs ==== 10. Drew Bledsoe 11. Ryan Fitzpatrick 12. ==== QBs that Suck ==== 13. Kyle Orton 14. Dennis Shaw 15. Daryl Lamonica 16. Trent Edwards 17. Thad Lewis 18. Rob Johnson 19. Kelly Holcomb 20. Bruce Matheson 21. Dan Manucci 22. Ed Ruthkowski 23. Vince Ferragamo 24. Alex Van Pelt 25. EJ Manuel 26. JP Losman 27. Todd Collins 28. Gary Marangi 29. Brian Brohm 30. Billy Joe Holbert 31. Jeff Tuel We are interested in hearing any comments... You just summed up the main reason why the Bills have sucked for most of their existence. Well done sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 My Brother, having nothing better to do, started a thread with his friends that created the following list that rated the BILLS QB's from Best to Worst. In Buffalo’s 55 years of existence, there have been 3 franchise QB’s, 3 good QB’s, 2 average QB’s, and 19 QB’s that suck. 1. ==== Franchise QBs ==== 2. Jim Kelly 3. Joe Ferguson 4. Jack Kemp 5. ==== Good QBs ==== 6. Doug Flutie 7. Tyrod Taylor 8. Frank Reich 9. ==== Average QBs ==== 10. Drew Bledsoe 11. Ryan Fitzpatrick 12. ==== QBs that Suck ==== 13. Kyle Orton 14. Dennis Shaw 15. Daryl Lamonica 16. Trent Edwards 17. Thad Lewis 18. Rob Johnson 19. Kelly Holcomb 20. Bruce Matheson 21. Dan Manucci 22. Ed Ruthkowski 23. Vince Ferragamo 24. Alex Van Pelt 25. EJ Manuel 26. JP Losman 27. Todd Collins 28. Gary Marangi 29. Brian Brohm 30. Billy Joe Holbert 31. Jeff Tuel We are interested in hearing any comments... i thought dennis shaw was decent.. didnt really "suck".. far from world class, but "ok'.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Orton deserves to be in the average QB's section. Above Fitz. Edited May 10, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Excellent Job with the list. Agree with Fergy near the top of the list. Never got his due. A few months ago, actually watched a YouTube replay of the 1980-81 playoff game against the chargers that we lost. In that game alone, Fergy, with a broken foot, through more 20 yard darts over the middle of the field then we've seen in total over the last 5 years (a tad of an exaggeration, but you get the point).A guy who had an arm, could throw to a spot, and was tough. That was simply a unforgettable game. Fergy, played when in today's NFL ,anyone with that injury would be sitting in the owners box. In any game he wore his emotions on his sleeves. INT or 3 and out. he would walk off the field shoulders slumped and pissed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Bruce Mathison, in his one season, was not better than Todd Collins, in his one season. Believe you me. Nor was he better than JP Losman, or really, any Bills QB ever. And how was Trent Edwards decidedly better than JP Losman? Losman had a better season in '06 than Edwards ever had. Honestly this is not a good list at all. Not trying to be overly critical but you're way off. And how is Ferguson ahead of Kemp?? Edited May 10, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Johnson too low. Flu tie too high. Fergy too high. Hobert wasn't bad he just did not care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I liked Ferguson but agree with 26 that he was not "franchise". I don't know where to put Reich because of his limited time on the field. I think you were a little harsh to Lamonica and EJ, too easy on Glove Wearing Mary and WAAAAAY off on Flutie who belongs in the upper third of QBs who sucked. Orton is a little too high as well. Edited May 10, 2016 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Sticking with the categories as the sub ranks within are trivial, and could be debated infinitely... Flutie and Reich were average as was Orton. Ferguson goes into 'good'. Tyrod is average, trending towards good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) I mean really, it's worth stating again: Vince Ferragamo and Bruce Mathison platooned during the '85 season (their only season as Bills QB's- was the season between Ferguson and Kelly), which was the worst season and certainly the worst QB'd season in Bills history. How can they both be ahead of Manuel, Losman and Collins, all three of whom were at least serviceable at times. How old are you anyway? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1985.htm I mean anyone who's younger and wants to learn a little Bills history, look at the 1985 Bills season. They scored 200 points in 16 games. They were 2-14. Mathison and Ferragamo combined for 9 TD's and 31 INT's. That is not better than Manuel, Losman and Todd Collins. You are lacking some serious perspective here. Edited May 10, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Pretty putrid list. I would move: Kemp to Good Fergy, Reich, and TT (with the arrow pointing up) to Average and Brain Dead Drew to Suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Pretty putrid list. I would move: Kemp to Good Fergy, Reich, and TT (with the arrow pointing up) to Average and Brain Dead Drew to Suck. Whatever, Bledsoe was actually pretty damn good in 2002 and at least led them to a winning record in 2004. In no universe did he "suck." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Whatever, Bledsoe was actually pretty damn good in 2002 and at least led them to a winning record in 2004. In no universe did he "suck." He sucked the 2nd half in 2002, was beyond brutal in 2003, had very little to do with any wins in 2004, and was the main reason why the Bills lost to the 3rd-string Steelers. He was the definition of the word SUCK, and no amount of revisionist spinning will ever change that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 He sucked the 2nd half in 2002, was beyond brutal in 2003, had very little to do with any wins in 2004, and was the main reason why the Bills lost to the 3rd-string Steelers. He was the definition of the word SUCK, and no amount of revisionist spinning will ever change that fact. Rico : Bledsoe = Gugny : Taylor apparently. He was not "the definition of the word 'suck'." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Rico : Bledsoe = Gugny : Taylor apparently. He was not "the definition of the word 'suck'."Night and day. Only a handful of people think that TT sucks, and only a handful of people think that Brain Dead Drew did not suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 All you guys that said Fergy was ranked too high can suck it!!!!! The guy threw the ball with precision and had an underrated rocket for an arm. He brought Jerry Butler and Frank Lewis into the limelight . A fierce competitor who took us to the playoffs. He belongs right where he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 (edited) Where is Joe Dufek? He was quite a blue chipper! No wonder we're 393-451-8 lifetime in the regular season. Edited May 10, 2016 by qwksilver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 All you guys that said Fergy was ranked too high can suck it!!!!! The guy threw the ball with precision and had an underrated rocket for an arm. He brought Jerry Butler and Frank Lewis into the limelight . A fierce competitor who took us to the playoffs. He belongs right where he is. Franchise QB? Nope! The Bills have had exactly ONE of those is their entire history and his name (obviously) is Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Franchise QB? Nope! The Bills have had exactly ONE of those is their entire history and his name (obviously) is Jim Kelly. Depends on your definition of "franchise QB"...if "franchise" is defined as taking you to the Superbowl, then yes, I agree. But Kemp took us to Championship games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff28 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Orton should be average. Over 3,000 yards and 18 touchdowns doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 Depends on your definition of "franchise QB"...if "franchise" is defined as taking you to the Superbowl, then yes, I agree. But Kemp took us to Championship games Yes he did, but the strength of those championship teams was by far the outstanding defense and the strong running game. The Bills were the 1st AFL team to be built like the rival NFL teams of that era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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