Liberal Protests

[Chef Jim]

22 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

I can see how it looks that way, but based on her history I don't think that's what she meant.

 

I think her point was it wasn't a fight, it was a viscous attack coming from unhinged irrational rage that seems to be increasing.

 

Ok. I have no idea who she is so have no reference of her history.  It just seemed as her questions were rhetorical and it came across as the brutality of the beating was justified.  This is often the issue with the written word without a dialog. 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

PLEASE READ..............

 

 

CHRISTIAN ADAMS: Exalting Race Rejects American Civil Rights Gospel.

 

Move over 1968. 2020 just dethroned you as the worst year since the end of World War II.

 

Not only did a virus shut down a roaring economy, it produced swarms of scolds and Karens who released their inner authoritarians. Mask police and distancing commissars applauded when governors slammed shut pretty much everything.

 

I witnessed firsthand a middle-aged woman in a grocery store, chasing people with a tape measure extended to six feet, swinging it like a sword and yelling at anyone who might come near her.

 

A few decades ago, that would have landed you in Pilgrim State Hospital.

 

But screaming women with tape-measure swords were just 2020’s opening act.

 

By June, we have cities on fire and ideological gangsterism where, in the name of equality, Americans have been forced to kneel and confess, both figuratively and literally.

 

In 2020, if you go to church, you might get arrested. But if you destroy police cars and participate in civil insurrection, you are featured as the new mod civil rights movement on MSNBC.

 

Statues of men who risked their lives to end slavery are being torn down as racists in 2020.

 

Isn’t that the most delicious irony. Ulysses Grant, the man who, like Joshua’s obliteration of the Canaanites, unleashed civilizational warfare on the Confederacy, had his statue torn down in San Francisco. Like Joshua, Grant had his Shiloh where combat losses in two days exceeded every combat loss in all of America’s wars combined up to that date.

 

None of the blood and treasure America expended to eradicate slavery matters so much these days.

 

Grant’s Presidency also saw the enactment of the 15th Amendment and a stack of civil rights laws still in force. Never mind all that.

 

The mob is on the march.

 

This really isn’t about Grant or Columbus, Thomas Jefferson or any of the other targets of the mob. This is about America and what it stands for. Even the mob admits that.

 

The mob also wants to redefine what racism is. They want you to think you can sin without knowing it. They want you to think America is bad even when you know it is good. Here, the mob goes too far. (See GregPersons)

 

So what should civil rights mean in America in 2020?

 

Civil rights should mean what they always have. All liberties, all civil rights, flow from the unchangeable fact that every individual has dignity, and deserves to be treated with respect by the state, by others, and by the police. This is the premise on which America was founded, even if the mob doesn’t like it. This is the premise that solves the strife.

 

In the middle of the dark age of Nazi racism, Pope Pius XI issued Mit brennender Sorge, a Papal Encyclical about racism.

 

Whoever exalts race … whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God.

 

Confronting South African Apartheid in 1989, Pope John Paul II defined the active choice of racism saying, “harboring racist thoughts and entertaining racist attitudes is a sin.”

 

Racism is active. It isn’t hidden in dormant corners of your consciousness. Racism doesn’t slumber in the architecture. It is animus, and animus is an active choice.

 

At the center of all of these problems – the problem of slavery, the problem of Nazism, the problem of racism, is the exaltation of race. Exalting race means elevating race beyond standard value. Defining people by race, whether a suspect stopped by the police or the wife of an NFL quarterback, is wrong.

 

The mob doesn’t want to hear this. They are demanding racially soaked vengeance dressed up as corporate introspection and listening sessions. They want to exalt race.

 

The mob is using race and America’s long earnest struggle to rise above race as a justification to tear down and replace institutions that have nothing to do with what happened to George Floyd.

 

Quietly, in hearts across the nation, people are watching and contesting the charges. They do not hold the sin of racism in their hearts. They think America is good. They know how many hundreds of thousands have died fighting racist institutions. They know how many trillions of their own dollars have been spent to mitigate the vestiges of slavery and Jim Crow.

 

They see videos of people on the streets on their knees confessing the sin of racism to strangers who demanded they do so. They see black-owned businesses looted, destroyed and burned by the mob. They see great American institutions, people they trust, the policeman down the street, attacked in the media and on patrol. The see flags on fire and George Washington statues destroyed.

 

 

There is only so much destruction they will tolerate in silence.

 

The answer is simple. Appeal to the goodness of America if you want to improve America. Do what generations of Americans have done before, reject the exaltation of race.

 

Civil rights start with treating people like they have a right to be treated. It means treating everyone with the dignity they deserve, regardless of race. Nothing gets better about 2020 until we start with that premise. The more the mob, and those the mob has turned into cowards, exalt race, the worse it is going to get.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Good work Libs...............

 

 

THE EXODUS IS HERE: Due to Seattle’s unrest, billion-dollar investment firm moving to Phoenix.

 

[Cinga]

This young lady gives me hope for the future

 

 

 

 

[bilzfancy]

3 minutes ago, Cinga said:

This young lady gives me hope for the future

 

 

 

 

That's friggin awesome, she's very brave cause that's going against the mob, but kudos to her, she's right

[Deranged Rhino]

 

In this case, stupid did hurt. 

[Warcodered]

53 minutes ago, Cinga said:

This young lady gives me hope for the future

 

 

 

 

[Numark3]

8 hours ago, Dante said:

His questions seemed pretty logical to me. As far as the weirdo thing? It's a strange world where a guy who questions killing kids in the womb is considered the weirdo. That dumb a$$ chick I swear was ready to give that guy a bj he just had to ask. That's how sick they are.

 

grown men obsessed with what women do with their pregnancy is weird, and you are a creep.  

[Hedge]

 

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Hedge

[Dante]

14 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

 

grown men obsessed with what women do with their pregnancy is weird, and you are a creep.  

No one is obsessed with what they do. The guy asked a simple question in a calm manner. It confused them. They couldn't process it. I found it funny. Could give two $hits if you think I'm a creep or not. Obvious what your position is and your no one I would want to associate with.

[Kangaxx]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

 

The taunting... you’re gonna lose your job... you a man? ... seems a bit scripted ... perhaps to provoke in a tense situation? Seems like a legit protest to me. 

 

[njbuff]

The should use acid instead of pepper spray.

 

Then we will see how many "protesters" would be out there.

[Hedge]

 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

The taunting... you’re gonna lose your job... you a man? ... seems a bit scripted ... perhaps to provoke in a tense situation? Seems like a legit protest to me. 

 

 

Right seems scripted. Getting tired of all the madness world is bringing. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 Protesters Try to Establish Autonomous Zone Outside White House. Police Aren’t Having It—for Now.

 

 

 

 

 

[Hedge]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

SENATOR TOM COTTON AGAINST THE 1619 RIOTS: We Can Give No Quarter to Mob Rule. 

 

“When you tear down statues of Washington and Grant, it’s not about the Civil War—it’s because you hate America.”

 

 

 

Related, from Richard Fernandez.

 

 

 

If Trump wreaked the kind of devastation on the blue zones that they’re cheerfully inflicting on themselves, it would be some sort of war crime.

 

Instead he’s just standing by, offering to help, but knowing his offers will be rejected.

 

 

 

117Po

[Rob's House]

Not sure where to put this, but I guess this is as good a place as any.

 

 

[Rob's House]

Cop shoots black man in the back

 

"I can't breathe"

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/dd8xZAtMVpPT/

[SectionC3]

6 hours ago, njbuff said:

The should use acid instead of pepper spray.

 

Then we will see how many "protesters" would be out there.

 

Right on, Silvio.  Let's through acid in the faces of people who exercise their First Amendment rights because they dare to criticize the douche bag who runs this country.  

[Westside]

4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Right on, Silvio.  Let's through acid in the faces of people who exercise their First Amendment rights because they dare to criticize the douche bag who runs this country.  

Destroying public property isn't peaceful protesting. You know better than that AC.

[Reality Check]

2 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Destroying public property isn't peaceful protesting. You know better than that AC.

Destroying public property keeps lawyers in business.

[Westside]

14 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

Destroying public property keeps lawyers in business.

Especially ambulance chasers 

[Reality Check]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8449355/D-C-police-stop-protesters-setting-Black-House-Autonomous-Zone-outside-White-House.html

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8449703/Video-shows-homeless-man-set-FIRE-NYC-man-throws-lit-firework-him.html

 

This is some great entertainment. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, westside2 said:

Destroying public property isn't peaceful protesting. You know better than that AC.

 

You're right.  The destruction of public property isn't protesting.  It's vandalism, and the people engaging in that conduct are vandals.  So when your douchebag friends say things like "let's throw acid on the protestors," please correct them and say that in this country, much to the chagrin of our douchebag president, we don't use chemical weapons on people who exercise their First Amendment rights.  

[Westside]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

You're right.  The destruction of public property isn't protesting.  It's vandalism, and the people engaging in that conduct are vandals.  So when your douchebag friends say things like "let's throw acid on the protestors," please correct them and say that in this country, much to the chagrin of our douchebag president, we don't use chemical weapons on people who exercise their First Amendment rights.  

Fair enough. It may have been a bit extreme. 

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1275276637333008385

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

You're right.  The destruction of public property isn't protesting.  It's vandalism, and the people engaging in that conduct are vandals.  So when your douchebag friends say things like "let's throw acid on the protestors," please correct them and say that in this country, much to the chagrin of our douchebag president, we don't use chemical weapons on people who exercise their First Amendment rights.  

Why would it be the President’s job to police this sort of local crime? For people who constantly call him a fascist, you all sure seem to want him to be everywhere doing everything! After three plus years you STILL do not understand the guy. Amazing!

[billsfan1959]

14 minutes ago, Foxx said:

https://twitter.com/BernardKerik/status/1275276637333008385

 

 

Add to the equation:

 

Face to face interactions between LE Officers and people over the age 16

All people over 16: 50+ million (population 253+ million)

White: 37+ million (population 164+ million)

Black: 6+ million (population 31+ million)

 

Total murders 2019:

White: 6200+ (% killed by police: 7.55%)

Black: 7400+ (% killed by police: 2.96%)

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by billsfan1959

[BuffaloHokie13]

20 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Add to the equation:

 

Face to face interactions between LE Officers and people over the age 16

All people over 16: 50+ million (population 253+ million)

White: 37+ million (population 164+ million)

Black: 6+ million (population 31+ million)

 

Total murders 2019:

White: 6200+ (% killed by police: 7.55%)

Black: 7400+ (% killed by police: 2.96%)

 

I was thinking about this and, while it is true that any interaction could end up with lethal force, I think it's worth limiting to violent crimes plus weapons charges - which appear to be separate. This analysis was done in an effort to concisely summarize my take on the current ongoing discussion. 

I think generally this graph shows the injustice being protested. It is derived by the percentage of lethal interactions divided by the percentage of US population. As you can see, black Americans are the only demographic over 1, and they're over 1.5. Almost double the rate of the others. If this was what you focused on I could certainly understand the concern.

 

If you then look at the violent crime rate, a different picture is painted.

Violent is strictly violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery) while violent+ also includes weapons offenses. This was in an effort to only include the likeliest interactions to get violent. It is found the same way as graph 1. Percentage of violent offenses divided by percentage of US population. 

 

If you combine the two data points, you end up with the following:

So in other words, maybe Asians should be upset. In talking through this with my father, a retired officer, he speculated that the higher rate of Asian incidents could probably be traced to language barriers to some extent.

 

Anyway, just thoughts on the topic. Certainly open to discussion. 

[SectionC3]

45 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why would it be the President’s job to police this sort of local crime? For people who constantly call him a fascist, you all sure seem to want him to be everywhere doing everything! After three plus years you STILL do not understand the guy. Amazing!

 

Nobody said it’s Trump’s job to manage local policing.  And the hyperbole fits.  Trump is the guy who apparently wants to execute offending journalists, who was cool with gassing protesters for his sham photo op in front of a church he exploits, who baselessly accuses others of treason, and who believes that we should casually dispense five- or ten-year sentences for unnamed crimes committed by people around protests.  

[Reality Check]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Nobody said it’s Trump’s job to manage local policing.  And the hyperbole fits.  Trump is the guy who apparently wants to execute offending journalists, who was cool with gassing protesters for his sham photo op in front of a church he exploits, who baselessly accuses others of treason, and who believes that we should casually dispense five- or ten-year sentences for unnamed crimes committed by people around protests.  

 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Nobody said it’s Trump’s job to manage local policing.  And the hyperbole fits.  Trump is the guy who apparently wants to execute offending journalists, who was cool with gassing protesters for his sham photo op in front of a church he exploits, who baselessly accuses others of treason, and who believes that we should casually dispense five- or ten-year sentences for unnamed crimes committed by people around protests.  

Wants to use the government to silence writers, sues people for speaking out, pays hush money to porn stars, scapegoats immigrants and just lies constantly, aside from that, he's a great steward of our constitutional system....

[B-Man]

Everywhere Statues Are Torn Down By The Mob, History Promises People Are Next

by Christopher Bedford

 

Original Article

 

WASHINGTON, DC—For millennia, King Mob has targeted societies’ icons with varied goals and to varied ends, and few things are more foreboding than his desecration of civic art. Just as the targets have ranged from rulers to clergy, from tyrants to helpless, and from the guilty to the innocent, the outcomes have ranged from victory to defeat depending on the society’s strength and will. The promise of bloodshed coming alongside or following shortly after, however, is an historic certainty. 

 

 

 

 

[Reality Check]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Wants to use the government to silence writers, sues people for speaking out, pays hush money to porn stars, scapegoats immigrants and just lies constantly, aside from that, he's a great steward of our constitutional system....

 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I was thinking about this and, while it is true that any interaction could end up with lethal force, I think it's worth limiting to violent crimes plus weapons charges - which appear to be separate. This analysis was done in an effort to concisely summarize my take on the current ongoing discussion. 

I think generally this graph shows the injustice being protested. It is derived by the percentage of lethal interactions divided by the percentage of US population. As you can see, black Americans are the only demographic over 1, and they're over 1.5. Almost double the rate of the others. If this was what you focused on I could certainly understand the concern.

 

If you then look at the violent crime rate, a different picture is painted.

Violent is strictly violent crimes (murder, manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery) while violent+ also includes weapons offenses. This was in an effort to only include the likeliest interactions to get violent. It is found the same way as graph 1. Percentage of violent offenses divided by percentage of US population. 

 

If you combine the two data points, you end up with the following:

So in other words, maybe Asians should be upset. In talking through this with my father, a retired officer, he speculated that the higher rate of Asian incidents could probably be traced to language barriers to some extent.

 

Anyway, just thoughts on the topic. Certainly open to discussion. 

 

All of these statistics are important and just goes to show the complexity of the problem. Just a couple of points:

 

(1) You really cannot limit the data to just violent crimes and weapons charges. There are so many instances of interactions that should never turn violent, let alone lethal; However, they often do, in fact, turn violent and lethal. Just look at the incidents involving George Floyd and Rayshawn Brooks.

 

(2) The level of violent crime in black communities draws a disproportionate amount of LE resources and creates an entirely different dynamic in the nature of the response and interactions. All of which is difficult to meaningfully tease out from the data.

 

It is an extraordinarily complex issue in which so many people want to define in simplistic ways.