peterpan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 clay got called for a chop block which negated a long gain and killed a drive. But the player clay cut was NOT engaged with another blocker. The ref said that the tackle "lured" the defender in?!?!? Whatever that might mean??? That has never been illegal before- did the red invent that infraction himself or is this some new rule??? Later in the game boobie got called for running into the punter - even though he made NO CONTACT with said punter. The ref said that boobie "did not allow the punter to land" or something. I have never heard that called before and I don't believe it was ever illegal before. did the red invent that infraction himself or is this some new rule??? Among some other questionable calls these two were the most baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 clay got called for a chop block which negated a long gain and killed a drive. But the player clay cut was NOT engaged with another blocker. The ref said that the tackle "lured" the defender in?!?!? Whatever that might mean??? That has never been illegal before- did the red invent that infraction himself or is this some new rule??? Later in the game boobie got called for running into the punter - even though he made NO CONTACT with said punter. The ref said that boobie "did not allow the punter to land" or something. I have never heard that called before and I don't believe it was ever illegal before. did the red invent that infraction himself or is this some new rule??? Among some other questionable calls these two were the most baffling. The punter rule is real. But their punter sold it very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 The punter rule is real. But their punter sold it very well. In that case I have seen that infraction go uncalled over 1,000 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Not to mention the exact same thing happened to our punter with no call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Schmidt was also not allowed to land on one of his punts. Maybe they didn't call it because the Colts player was pushed into him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pafan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I wasn't happy with the refs today. A few bad calls (protecting their punter but not ours, calling Hughes offside but not calling a delay of game, etc.) allowed the Colts to gain some momentum and stay in the game longer than they should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 The Bills need to tighten up they can't keep winning with that many penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Not to mention the exact same thing happened to our punter with no call as I was corrected.. the Colts player was blocked into our punter ergo no flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Bills pushed the Colts player into Schmidt. The Clay call was garbage. It was a well designed block. There could (should) have been at least 5-7 more offensive holding penalties on Indy. Was pathetic how they let Luck play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Schmidt was also not allowed to land on one of his punts. Maybe they didn't call it because the Colts player was pushed into him... Yep. The Bills guy blocked the Colt into the punter. I thought both punt calls were the right ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Punter rule is real. I'm interested in the phantom facemask on the 30 yard loss fumble and the personal foul on the kickoff they did not show on our kickoff. Shady business NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Not to mention the exact same thing happened to our punter with no callexcept our punter actually got hit.edit. I guess guy was blocked into him Edited September 13, 2015 by kr632 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombstone56 Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 THE REFS were so bad today it was a joke ,NFL should disqualify those clowns,,,, the whole crew was bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 In that case I have seen that infraction go uncalled over 1,000 times. Probably should have looked that up before clicking "post".... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 THE REFS were so bad today it was a joke ,NFL should disqualify those clowns,,,, the whole crew was bad! I'm with this. And the Bills need to do a full court press on the NFL to draw attention. Can't continue to allow this without protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 On he Hughes offsides, the Colts Left OG was noticeably not set as the ball was snapped. BS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kkspike Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 You thought this was bad wait till next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Not to mention the exact same thing happened to our punter with no call It was not the same thing. Their guy was blocked into him. As for the chop block, it was a terrible call. It is only a penalty if the player is engaged with another player. He clearly in no way was engaged with another player when Clay blocked him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted September 13, 2015 Author Share Posted September 13, 2015 It was not the same thing. Their guy was blocked into him. As for the chop block, it was a terrible call. It is only a penalty if the player is engaged with another player. He clearly in no way was engaged with another player when Clay blocked him. Yea, the ref admitted that he wasn't engaged with another player. He said out T "lured" the defender?? I didn't mean to bring up the other bad calls, just these weird two. But if others want to talk about bad calls, they flagged Preston brown for landing on luck after his half head half feet first slide, yet the exact same thing happened to Tyrod twice with no call. IMO all three should have been no calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 clay got called for a chop block which negated a long gain and killed a drive. But the player clay cut was NOT engaged with another blocker. The ref said that the tackle "lured" the defender in?!?!? Whatever that might mean??? It was a bad call by the ref. That was a "cut" block by Clay, not a chop block. A chop block is when an offensive player blocks a defensive player low while engaged with another blocker on the offense. Brutal brutal call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Punter rule is real. I'm interested in the phantom facemask on the 30 yard loss fumble and the personal foul on the kickoff they did not show on our kickoff. Shady business NFL. This^^ there were awful calls but that phantom facemask was horrible. What made it worse was not only was there no facemask found on the replay on us but Hughes was clearly held and that didn't get called. Practically gave them one of their touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsMagic1 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Seems like we had like 8 or 9 calls in a row go against U.S. and most looked like bS to me as not called against both sides equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 As someone else said. It isn't going to get any better next week with Kraft, Belichick, and Brady coming to town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 There should be an over/under on how many threads will be started next week because of bad ref calls. I say there will be over two and under five before the mods can stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Punter rule is real. I'm interested in the phantom facemask on the 30 yard loss fumble and the personal foul on the kickoff they did not show on our kickoff. Shady business NFL. That's the one I'm curious about. It was either shoddy officiating or shoddy broadcasting because none of the people I watched the game with saw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Schmidt was also not allowed to land on one of his punts. Maybe they didn't call it because the Colts player was pushed into him... That's what I assumed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 The Clay chop block was not a thing. Idk what they were doing out there today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) clay got called for a chop block which negated a long gain and killed a drive. But the player clay cut was NOT engaged with another blocker. The ref said that the tackle "lured" the defender in?!?!? Whatever that might mean??? That has never been illegal before- did the red invent that infraction himself or is this some new rule??? Later in the game boobie got called for running into the punter - even though he made NO CONTACT with said punter. The ref said that boobie "did not allow the punter to land" or something. I have never heard that called before and I don't believe it was ever illegal before. did the red invent that infraction himself or is this some new rule??? Among some other questionable calls these two were the most baffling. Can't say I've ever seen it called that way before but here is how it appears from the 2013 rule book. So it's not something brand new or made up. -- All other Chop Blocks are illegal, including in the following situations: Forward pass plays and kicking plays: (a) A1 chops a defensive player while the defensive player is physically engaged above the waist by the blocking attempt of A2. (b) A2 physically engages a defensive player above the waist with a blocking attempt, and A1 chops the defensive player after the contact by A2 has been broken and while A2 is still confronting the defensive player. (c) A1 chops a defensive player while A2 confronts the defensive player in a pass-blocking posture but is not physically engaged with the defensive player (a ―lure‖). (d) A1 blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower, and A2, simultaneously or immediately after the block by A1, engages the defensive player high (―reverse chop‖). Edited September 14, 2015 by Tuco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Can't say I've ever seen it called that way before but here is how it appears from the 2013 rule book. So it's not something brand new or made up. -- All other Chop Blocks are illegal, including in the following situations: Forward pass plays and kicking plays: (a) A1 chops a defensive player while the defensive player is physically engaged above the waist by the blocking attempt of A2. (b) A2 physically engages a defensive player above the waist with a blocking attempt, and A1 chops the defensive player after the contact by A2 has been broken and while A2 is still confronting the defensive player. (c) A1 chops a defensive player while A2 confronts the defensive player in a pass-blocking posture but is not physically engaged with the defensive player (a ―lure‖). (d) A1 blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower, and A2, simultaneously or immediately after the block by A1, engages the defensive player high (―reverse chop‖). Happened last year to Calais Campbell. The rule is in for player safety so there is not really a gray area about it. http://blog.azcardinals.com/2014/10/06/nfl-correct-call-on-campbell-play/ It was right call. The facemask I'd like to see a replay of though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Happened last year to Calais Campbell. The rule is in for player safety so there is not really a gray area about it. http://blog.azcardinals.com/2014/10/06/nfl-correct-call-on-campbell-play/ It was right call. The facemask I'd like to see a replay of though. Who was the "lure" blocked on that play? It wasn't the tackle.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Schmidt was also not allowed to land on one of his punts. Maybe they didn't call it because the Colts player was pushed into him... Yes. That's an exception to the rule. Can't say I've ever seen it called that way before but here is how it appears from the 2013 rule book. So it's not something brand new or made up. -- All other Chop Blocks are illegal, including in the following situations: Forward pass plays and kicking plays: (a) A1 chops a defensive player while the defensive player is physically engaged above the waist by the blocking attempt of A2. (b) A2 physically engages a defensive player above the waist with a blocking attempt, and A1 chops the defensive player after the contact by A2 has been broken and while A2 is still confronting the defensive player. (c) A1 chops a defensive player while A2 confronts the defensive player in a pass-blocking posture but is not physically engaged with the defensive player (a ―lure‖). (d) A1 blocks a defensive player in the area of the thigh or lower, and A2, simultaneously or immediately after the block by A1, engages the defensive player high (―reverse chop‖). It's silly because Glenn didn't "lure" the end at all on this play before Clay hit him. Clay fired right out into his legs and then went out into his pattern so I don't see what the problem is unless they're going to make all blocking below the waist illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzu Bill Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) There needs to be a serious consideration for allowing penalty challenges. Same with the regular challenge, allow about 2 per game. The calls yesterday were not very good, but not horrible. I would be seriously pissed if I was a Giants fan. The PI call in the endzone practically won the game for the cowboys. It was just about the worst (no exaggeration) PI call I have ever seen. I'm trying to find a video of it with no luck Edited September 14, 2015 by Wazzu Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Schmidt was also not allowed to land on one of his punts. Maybe they didn't call it because the Colts player was pushed into him... Exactly - Bills player blocked the Colts player into Schmidt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enlightener Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 oh so now were contemplating that the refs help out high profile QB led teams???? I never said that before...except all last season. Im sick of enlightening everyone a year before theyre ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) It was not the same thing. Their guy was blocked into him. As for the chop block, it was a terrible call. It is only a penalty if the player is engaged with another player. He clearly in no way was engaged with another player when Clay blocked him. That actually is not correct. If an offensive player "lures" the defender by assuming a pass blocking posture while another chops low, it is a chop block which is exactly the call that was made. The ref even stated that the d-lineman was "lured". http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/10/calais-campbell-chop-block-penalty-injury-bruce-arians-rips-broncos-julius-thomas Edited September 15, 2015 by Mickey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I think these refs need to start camping in the RV lot.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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