#34fan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Straight from the Kype himself... http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/18654/mel-kiper-grades-bills-draft-as-nfls-worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He's mad that we didn't add a bad QB to the mix. We should have listened to him on Jimmy Clausen and we would have our QB situation solved!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 It wasn't a very impressive draft by the Bills I don't like the Darby pick at all but at least he won't be forced into starting his rookie year like McKelvin and Gilmore were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) LOL of course it was. Why would Kiper break the streak of hating Bills drafts? 2013: Kiper also felt that Oregon linebacker Kiko Alonso (was) potential reaches in the second. Edited May 4, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He works for ESPN, no wonder they have a problem with Buffalo except Berman, Kornheiser and Wilbon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) Nothing wrong with a C-. We didn't have a first and the even though Darby, Miller and O'Leary will see the field, they won't be hugh difference makers in 2015, given the talent already on the roster. Still satisfied with the draft and now let's sign a few more vets and move on to SJF... Edited May 4, 2015 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Definitely the most underwhelming draft since that last time they didn't have a R1 pick--2005. That said, grades are meaningless until at least two years after each draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallskiWallski83 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 So says the guy who routinely criticized seattles drafts for several years until they started to go to superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Mel Kiper's hair was the worst of any of the draft analysts on ESPN or NFLN I give his hair a C+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I don't mind when talking heads say stupid things to generate clicks and ratings. That's how they get paid. I do mind when they try to pass themselves off as "experts" when they are anything but. Let us not forget when this haircut thought Jamarcus Russell was the next John Elway. http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/05/jamarcus-russell-reminded-mel-kiper-jr-of-john-elway/1#.VUa57Ib3bCQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He also said we could have gotten Mike Evans staying at 9 last year. Ridiculous calling Darby a reach. There's a handful of blue chip guys in every class, then a large group that could go anywhere from 1st to the 3rd depending on team needs and teams boards. Darby is squarely in that group. Just because Kiper thinks he belongs in the 60s and he goes 50 doesn't make it a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He gave seattle a D the year they took bruce Irvin and russell Wilson and the Bills an A when they took Maybin. I know he studies these guys in college for a living, but his ability to project to their NFL success/ scheme fit /understanding of teams roster forecasting is questionable at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 (edited) "I gave the Bills a hard time in the draft grades last year because I thought they paid far too steep a price to move up for Sammy Watkins, given how many good WRs were in that draft. Watkins is going to be just fine, but Mike Evans and Odell Beckham, Jr. could have both been taken without moving up, and that move up now factors into the grade this year, when the Bills didn't have a first-rounder and simply couldn't add the same amount of talent as other teams. I thought Ronald Darby was a reach in Round 2 at No. 50. There's a lot of natural ability with him, but I didn't have CB as nearly the biggest need, and I don't think he was the best player available, either. I'm a lot higher on the third-round selection of John Miller, a physical force in the run game, which they need to succeed to take some pressure off whoever is taking the QB snaps. (There's some buzz that Tyrod Taylor could be really pushing for that role, by the way.) Karlos Williams provides some depth at running back, but I'm not sure how much they needed it, and I might have looked at one of a number of values to be had at linebacker in that range. That said, if Rex said he needed it on defense, my guess is they would have made the move. Nick O'Leary can stick because the competes like heck and can catch the ball. I also think Buffalo got one of the bigger steals in the draft in Dez Lewis, a big-bodied speedster out of Central Arkansas who doesn't look the least bit out of place from a physical and workout standpoint next to the first-round types. The Bills didn't need an amazing draft, thanks to good roster-building outside of QB. That's a good thing." -Kiper Edited May 4, 2015 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Different story, but same page, so... Darby was also involved in a hit-and-run accident last year when he and teammate P.J. Williams, the driver of the vehicle, fled the scene before returning 20 minutes later. "Involved?" He was a passenger when somebody else !@#$ed up. How the hell is that a character issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNY315 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Nobody has any idea how good any team's draft was at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He gave seattle a D the year they took bruce Irvin and russell Wilson and the Bills an A when they took Maybin. I know he studies these guys in college for a living, but his ability to project to their NFL success/ scheme fit /understanding of teams roster forecasting is questionable at best. Yep...spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Windbag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 So this is a good thing, right? Seriously, who do you trust more... Whaley or Mel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I gave the Bills a hard time in the draft grades last year because I thought they paid far too steep a price to move up for Sammy Watkins, given how many good WRs were in that draft. Watkins is going to be just fine, but Mike Evans and Odell Beckham, Jr. could have both been taken without moving up, and that move up now factors into the grade this year, when the Bills didn't have a first-rounder and simply couldn't add the same amount of talent as other teams. I thought Ronald Darby was a reach in Round 2 at No. 50. There's a lot of natural ability with him, but I didn't have CB as nearly the biggest need, and I don't think he was the best player available, either. I'm a lot higher on the third-round selection of John Miller, a physical force in the run game, which they need to succeed to take some pressure off whoever is taking the QB snaps. (There's some buzz that Tyrod Taylor could be really pushing for that role, by the way.) Karlos Williams provides some depth at running back, but I'm not sure how much they needed it, and I might have looked at one of a number of values to be had at linebacker in that range. That said, if Rex said he needed it on defense, my guess is they would have made the move. Nick O'Leary can stick because the competes like heck and can catch the ball. I also think Buffalo got one of the bigger steals in the draft in Dez Lewis, a big-bodied speedster out of Central Arkansas who doesn't look the least bit out of place from a physical and workout standpoint next to the first-round types. The Bills didn't need an amazing draft, thanks to good roster-building outside of QB. That's a good thing. Evans went to Tampa at 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Draft pundits aren't much different than movie critics, music critics, wine critics, political analysts, money managers, doctors, lawyers, marriage counselors, newspaper columnists, economists, socialogists, meteologists, Jerry Sullivan (he deserves his own category)... http://www.shortlist.com/entertainment/films/bad-reviews-for-good-movies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Evans went to Tampa at 7I believe that those were Kiper's words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Honestly, whoever we picked was likely not going to be a starter with the exception of potentially John Miller at guard. This team is stacked, so it would be near impossible except at guard for a player to walk in as a 2nd round or later draft pick and start from day one on this team as currently constructed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I don't care much about draft grades or free agency grades, and I care even less about Mel Kiper's opinion on anything. I care about what happens on the field come September. I truly do not know enough about the individuals they drafted to know whether or not they will be successful in the NFL. I do know this: I like Whaley, I like Rex, and I am a huge fan of both Roman and Kromer. I think, across the board, we truly have people who understand football, the strengths and weaknesses of their players, and how to devise game plans to maximize those strengths and minimize the weaknesses. I didn't expect a great things in this draft, given their draft positions and lack of a first rounder. However, I trust their judgement on player evaluation and if anyone can get the best out of the players drafted, it will be the coaching staff they have assembled. I loved what they did in free agency, I think coaching will make a tremendous difference in how the offensive line performs this year, and I can't wait to see what they do when the season starts. Until then, I don't give a $hit what kind of grades anyone gives this team for free agency or the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tintonfallsbillsfan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Never any love for the bills draft ,then you hear except for quarterback they have a loaded roster. hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Evans went to Tampa at 7 The reasonable assumption here is that if the Bills did not take Watkins earlier that Tampa would have taken him rather than Evans, and Evans would have been there for Buffalo . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 The reasonable assumption here is that if the Bills did not take Watkins earlier that Tampa would have taken him rather than Evans, and Evans would have been there for Buffalo . watkins fall to tampa at 7?! He was gone at 4, browns said they had the card ready to go and decided to accept the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Oh thank god. I was worried about this draft, but with Kiper hating it things must have gone well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Straight from the Kype himself... http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/18654/mel-kiper-grades-bills-draft-as-nfls-worst My evaluation of the Bills draft is an A- and I am usually critical of most moves the BIlls make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Monkeyhead Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Let's grade his drafts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Let's grade his drafts Yeah, the hair's too easy. But his drafts might be easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Let's grade his draftsjust spit out my water, well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Darby could be the next Revis. Miller could be the next logan Mankins. It all depends. Personally I think the Bills did well in the draft. YOu want 3 guys in the first 3 rounds to be starters within 1-2 years. The rest are all depth players and you might find a diamond in the rough but chances are you won't. Whaley has done a great job since he became the GM. All he needs to do is find a QB and I am betting that EJ will be that guy come September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Different story, but same page, so... "Involved?" He was a passenger when somebody else !@#$ed up. How the hell is that a character issue? "fled the scene" Looking at 2015 in isolation given what they have to work with it was a good draft .. Kyper's wrong on that. A+ But when you assess it the proper way 2014/15 together over 2 years given the picks we gave up, it wasn't so good. B- Of note we got: 2014 Likely legit #1 WR Starting LB Depth @ tackle 2015 Starting DB, IMO top tier Upgrade at Guard (huge position of need) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonechiller Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Makes me feel better, rarely are they accurate with their projections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Straight from the Kype himself... http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/18654/mel-kiper-grades-bills-draft-as-nfls-worst Wasn't our best but that's every year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Let's grade his drafts he deserves credit for creating a media role evaluating drafts, had a wealth of information you couldnt find anywhere else. but now he's been surpassed by so many other analysts with better football knowledge and access to teams, he's really become "Mr. Irrelevant" of the draft analysts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 he deserves credit for creating a media role evaluating drafts, had a wealth of information you couldnt find anywhere else. but now he's been surpassed by so many other analysts with better football knowledge and access to teams, he's really become "Mr. Irrelevant" of the draft analystssome guys who are really good are Daniel Jeremiah of nfl network and Matt miller of bleacher report. Jeremiah was actually a scout for the Ravens when Rex was there and he always inserts knowledge about that when discussing scheme fits. I appreciate that kind of insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He works for ESPN, no wonder they have a problem with Buffalo except Berman, Kornheiser and Wilbon. The budget for durable Patriot kneepads @ ESPN is astronomical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Kiper and others weighed the Watkins trade in arriving at their grades. If they knew Whaley was going to otherwise draft Ebron I'm sure the grades would be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Sweet, this should be the Bills greatest draft in years then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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