Kirby Jackson Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't think so but according to Vegas he comes in right after Jason Garrett as the 2nd choice to be the next head coach fired: https://www.sportsbook.ag/livesports?categoryId=1085 This is a little odd to me. He certainly has at least this season. There are other guys (Allen) that may not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Keep in mind lines are set based on perception, not reality. Plenty of people (erroneously) think that a new owner will be bringing his own guy immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Constant change. It's how you build a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't think so but according to Vegas he comes in right after Jason Garrett as the 2nd choice to be the next head coach fired: https://www.sportsbo...categoryId=1085 This is a little odd to me. He certainly has at least this season. There are other guys (Allen) that may not. Yeah I don't see it either. Maybe they're under the impression that new ownership will automatically mean a new coach & GM? At least I could see the logic in that, otherwise I think they get at least this year and next year as well. Guys I'd put before Marrone: Dennis Allen Rex Ryan Jason Garrett Joe Philbin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Baring any catostrophic injuries if Marrone finishes off with a worse record thank last year I can see him losing his job, I see Whaley as a no nonsense kind of guy who won't accept failure anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share Posted August 1, 2014 Yeah I don't see it either. Maybe they're under the impression that new ownership will automatically mean a new coach & GM? At least I could see the logic in that, otherwise I think they get at least this year and next year as well. Guys I'd put before Marrone: Dennis Allen Rex Ryan Jason Garrett Joe Philbin I would add Mike Smith too if they struggle again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Constant change. It's how you build a winner. Good point. Jauron and Gailey were let go years too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 uninformed. but likely fueled by ownership change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It used to be a coach would have 3-5 years to turn a team around. Now, they get a much shorter leash. This isn't just the NFL, either... we see it in the NBA as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 they are basing that on the fact that a new owner will clean house, especially if the Bills have a poor season. can we bet against him getting fired? i'd be all in on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Keep in mind lines are set based on perception, not reality. Plenty of people (erroneously) think that a new owner will be bringing his own guy immediately. this Good point. Jauron and Gailey were let go years too early. i know your being sarcastic. Unfortunately it was years too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Yeah I don't see it either. Maybe they're under the impression that new ownership will automatically mean a new coach & GM? At least I could see the logic in that, otherwise I think they get at least this year and next year as well. Guys I'd put before Marrone: Dennis Allen Rex Ryan Jason Garrett Joe Philbin I feel bad for Dennis Allen. He inherited an absolute mess and has had awful drafting to this point. Rex is a good coach but he needs a playoff team to keep his job. Philbin should have never gotten the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't think so but according to Vegas he comes in right after Jason Garrett as the 2nd choice to be the next head coach fired: https://www.sportsbook.ag/livesports?categoryId=1085 This is a little odd to me. He certainly has at least this season. There are other guys (Allen) that may not. What do you win if Marrone isn't fired? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Good point. Jauron and Gailey were let go years too early. Well at least one out of 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 uninformed. but likely fueled by ownership change This^^ If Pegula is the new owner I do not see immediate change. Obviously, EJ's progress or lack thereof plays into this in a huge way. The current regime has placed all bets on EJ and they will stay or go with Pegula on the basis of his play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Fewer than 8 wins and I'd think he's gone. And should be. No excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Yeah I don't see it either. Maybe they're under the impression that new ownership will automatically mean a new coach & GM? At least I could see the logic in that, otherwise I think they get at least this year and next year as well. Guys I'd put before Marrone: Dennis Allen Rex Ryan Jason Garrett Joe Philbin I had to Google Dennis Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 1, 2014 Author Share Posted August 1, 2014 I had to Google Dennis Allen. If I were going to lay a few bucks on this Dennis Allen at 6:1 would get my $. The Raiders stink (always), he's pretty forgettable and until this year they haven't drafted very well. I saw them in preseason in New Orleans last year and thought that they were the least talented team that I had ever seen. They actually exceeded my expectations. With that being said they can't win more than 5-6 games max which will get him canned. Can he make it through the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Absolutely Marrone is hot seat material. As it is, the Bills would have to finish 10-6 just to bring his W/L record to .500. He came from college ranks with Chip Kelly and they'll be compared to each other until one of them gets fired. If I were a betting man.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Marrone deserves this year AND next, at a minimum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's Tailor Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Dennis Allen would be my choice. Garrett is not likely at all to be fired IMO. Jerruh likes having him as head coach because he lets Jerruh meddle to his heart's content. Much better than the gloomy Parcells days when he won 14 games in JJ's world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Good point. Jauron and Gailey were let go years too early. Well that's the thing...you'll never know. I guess we should fire every coach/GM after one season then. That way you're never wrong. You'll never win but no coach will stay too long...or work for you at all. If they don't win a Super Bowl in one season, they never will. Edited August 1, 2014 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Cain Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Constant change. It's how you build a winner. I agree. However Mike Mularkey & Gregg Williams & Dick Jauron & Chan Gailey were not the guys who were going to bring us back to contention. I feel with Marrone we at least have an identity on offense, & our defense has been staffed with great coordinators who have a good scheme of what it takes to be successful. The only thing that makes me scratch my head is retaining Danny Crossman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Fewer than 8 wins and I'd think he's gone. And should be. No excuses. Amen. Especially if we have several losses to bumbling idiotic decisions like last year. Like letting your rookie UFDA QB in his first start pass on the 1 yard line when a FG puts us up by 10 or whatever it was. Or if we lose games because our kicking teams suck like we vs Clowns, Bungles, and Patsies. Or if we continue to misuse the talent we have ala Spiller. Last year we had QB injuries, rookie coach, blah blah blah. Now we got the horses. No excuses. Win at least 8 now, or go fishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I would add Mike Smith too if they struggle again. He is gone if the Falcons do not make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 He is gone if the Falcons do not make the playoffs. Didn't they just give him a contract extension at the end of last season, or am I making that up? I could have sworn they did, and it seemed awfully strange timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Marrone deserves this year AND next, at a minimum... +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) +1 +2 A HC needs time to change a culture, implement a system, and add/delete the personnel needed to win with both of those things. Edited August 1, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Did TP clean house when he bought the Sabres? CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I cannot see how Garrett survives yet another non playoff season. I think Jerry Jones enjoys humiliating him though so who knows. Dennis Allen is another good bet. I see Rex Ryan sticking around. He is a very good football coach. Loud, brash, etc, sure, but they came so close to sweeping the Patriots* last year and beat them on a pretty regular basis, which is more than most AFC teams can say. And it isn't like Rex has had amazing QB play. I think he will be fine. In addition to guys that were mentioned, I could see Tom Coughlin "retiring" if the G men struggle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Absolutely Marrone is hot seat material. As it is, the Bills would have to finish 10-6 just to bring his W/L record to .500. He came from college ranks with Chip Kelly and they'll be compared to each other until one of them gets fired. If I were a betting man.. If you want to go with this most ridiculous of measures, care to guess how many seasons it took for Bill Belicheck to get his W-L record to .500? He finally achieved that mark in his 9th year of head coaching. His 4th with the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Marrone deserves this year AND next, at a minimum... Really? What has he done to "deserve" that? Will he still deserve another year if the team finishes 3-13? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Really? What has he done to "deserve" that? Will he still deserve another year if the team finishes 3-13? Again, for reference: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/BeliBi0.htm 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, then finally, a playoff year. A distinguished start to a hall of fame head coaching career, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 If you want to go with this most ridiculous of measures, care to guess how many seasons it took for Bill Belicheck to get his W-L record to .500? He finally achieved that mark in his 9th year of head coaching. His 4th with the Patriots. Fair point. My comment was more directed to the fact ONLY Mularky had a winning record as Bills HC this century, then turned and ran away. I'm sick of losing coaches here and every year we keep a losing HC here, his W/L record goes deeper in the toilet. That's not so ridiculous in this context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan_in_raleigh Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I believe that if Terry P buys the Bills Wailey and Marrone will be around till its justified and proven they can't build a team. I would give them 3 years. If some other owner gets the team it could mean an entire organizational shakeup. The best thing however will be Littman will finally be gone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Again, for reference: http://www.pro-footb...hes/BeliBi0.htm 6-10, 7-9, 7-9, then finally, a playoff year. A distinguished start to a hall of fame head coaching career, right? So based on that one example, no coach should be fired until they prove over at least four years that they are inept, correct? Similarly, because Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round, it is easy to find a franchise QB on the last day of the draft. In many cases it is crystal clear after two years whether a coach can cut it, or not. None of the coaches that the Bills ran out of town in the past 12 years have done a single thing since being fired to make anyone think that the Bills jumped the gun. With Marrone, there are some positive signs, but also a number of major question marks. I am guessing that the picture will be pretty clear after this year. Edited August 1, 2014 by mannc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Didn't they just give him a contract extension at the end of last season, or am I making that up? I could have sworn they did, and it seemed awfully strange timing. If they do not make the playoffs he is gone. Blank is not a guy to sit on his hands. He has a new stadium being built and realizes he needs a winner to sell those seats. the 'stick with a coach' only lasts one more season after a poor season. Smith is a decent coach but honestly has made some very questionable calls that have cost him more than a few games. Last year was not totally his fault. Injuries killed the Falcons. People are already talking about it. Smith has changed Cords already once. At some point the buck stops with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Constant change. It's how you build a winner. change = hope = ticket sales as far as marrone goes, he's safe for all this year and probably next, assuming the new owner (pegula) keeps russ & whaley. any owner other than pegula means russ , whaley and marrone are all gone before 2015 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 If they do not make the playoffs he is gone. Blank is not a guy to sit on his hands. He has a new stadium being built and realizes he needs a winner to sell those seats. the 'stick with a coach' only lasts one more season after a poor season. Smith is a decent coach but honestly has made some very questionable calls that have cost him more than a few games. Last year was not totally his fault. Injuries killed the Falcons. People are already talking about it. Smith has changed Cords already once. At some point the buck stops with him. Biggest problem for the Falcons is what is their identity? Seattle/San Francisco are strong defensive and running teams, Denver/New England/Green Bay have focus on their offense. It doesn't necessarily have to come from the coach (it doesn't for Denver or New England), but if you don't have a star player leading the team the coach needs to put his stamp on it, and Smith... like his team... just seems boring. Heck, even his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Section242 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It's 1/32 but how attractive would the Bills job be if they go 6-10. If they're 6-10 I think it'd mean they've had terrible QB play. No 1st rd pick and no QB wouldn't make the Bills an attractive job. To go along with what would be 15 straight losing seasons. I don't think he'll be fired but I could see Coughlin as a guy pushed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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