Jim in Anchorage Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) I know this has been covered but I thought I would freshen it up. Do you at this time feel it was wise for the Bills to pick Marcell Dareus over JJ? I watched the HOU-DET game and JJ was in the QBs face or batting down balls all game. Edited November 24, 2012 by Jim in Anchorage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I dont think anyone realized how good he was going to be so I dont blame the Bills. And Marcell has been turning it up of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 MD will be cranking it up each game here out, Jim. Mark my words, he will be a force tomorrow up the middle. Rookie QB's hate good DT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 At the time out run D was so bad it was more of a need to have a huge monstrous man in the middle eating up OLmen. Now, is another question. I'd prolly still rather have MD but I also think he's better than what were seeing this year. At least I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 JJ Watt would have been considered a colossal reach at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 He's a great fit for the Texans D and a good player in general. I don't believe anyone had him projected as a top 5 pick while Dareus was a consensus top 5 pick. I truly believe the FO wanted Von Miller, but took the next highest rated player they had on their board which was Dareus. I'm not mad. I still think Dareus is going to turn out to be a great player for us. Every single team that didn't draft these players if they had the opportunity has fans that probably talk about the same things on their own respective message boards and in the end 99% of us never knew how these players would truly round out, minus the 80% of us here that knew drafting Whitner over Ngata and Maybin over Orakpo were monumental mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsObserver Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 If there was a re-draft, it's pretty obvious who the Bills would take of the 2 players mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 At the time out run D was so bad it was more of a need to have a huge monstrous man in the middle eating up OLmen. Now, is another question. I'd prolly still rather have MD but I also think he's better than what were seeing this year. At least I hope. Â In foresight, no one had watt over md. Really the only debate was green or maybe Peterson as BPA. Â Also note, it's a different scheme being run by us vs Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 JJ Watt would have been considered a colossal reach at the time. Â Seriously. Nobody was even considering taking Watt with the 3rd overall pick and were happy Dareus was available. But now that he could be a great player people want to crap on the front office as if everyone saw this coming? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 You also have to remember, this is MDs first year in a 4-3 full time. Â Doesn't explain the weight gain, but may me part of the equation on him getting a slow start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 the deal to be made would have been with atlanta for all their picks so they get aj green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Seems like a question for good old Cap'n Hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 (edited) So far from what I've seen, I would rank BPA like this.  AJ Green JJ Watt Von Miller  All three of these guys are elite players, game changers. All three might be the best at their position in the NFL already.  I was still jumping up and down that we got Marcel on draft day though. He's got the physical tools and surrounding cast to be a monster, and he's certainly been showing up as a force the last few weeks. Edited November 24, 2012 by Webster Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just another big drafting mistake, like Whitner. That's why we never play in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't think it was a mistake picking Dareus, Watts was Projected a Top 25th pick but know where near a Top 10 & Dareus isn't a bust he a good rookie year this 2nd he has struggled but that to be expected & his brother was murdered at the start of the season I liked to see anyone who had a family member murder be able to concentrate on a their job after something like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 JJ Watt is playing for one of the best defensive minds in football. He certainly wouldn't be a bust, but I don't think he would be blowing it up on the Bills. As for MD blowing it up if he was on Houston, I guess we'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I don't think it was a mistake picking Dareus, Watts was Projected a Top 25th pick but know where near a Top 10 & Dareus isn't a bust he a good rookie year this 2nd he has struggled but that to be expected & his brother was murdered at the start of the season I liked to see anyone who had a family member murder be able to concentrate on a their job after something like that  Ill disagree again. That may be effecting him, as is likely the scheme change (played 34, drafted for 34) but primarily the weight gained in the spring is the number 1 reason for his lack of explosion. There are times he beats his block and looks like he's just running in sand when trying to cut and close. Hopefully the last few months open his eyes to what being a professional is all about and he kills it this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'd rather have Watt but he's performing a lot better than anyone thought he would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 JJ Watt would have been considered a colossal reach at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ennjay Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Two observations: Â 1. In April 2011 we needed a big body badly. MD was the answer. Remember that freak performance on ESPN Sport Science? Don't overwhelm it with hindsight. Â 2. I'm still giving the kid a break. He's a big ol' country boy from Alabama living in the Northeast. His brother got killed at season's start and he's playing through it. Geez, give him a little time before you throw him overboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I give Dareus a pass this year! Â He was drafted as a 3-4 DE, but plays a 4-3 DT now...his brother gets murdered and Dave is his DC--that's a lot of change from his rookie year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 JJ Watt would have been considered a colossal reach at the time. We would have burned Buddy at the stake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 One thing I would like to add here. Vince Wilfork could be on the Bills roster now instead of Lee Evans hanging out at hammers lot. So lets not be afraid to criticize the front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just another big drafting mistake, like Whitner. That's why we never play in January. Â Thats just stupid!!! MD was a top 3 prospect and EVERYONES board!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Thats just stupid!!! MD was a top 3 prospect and EVERYONES board!! Â I Agree, Nobody had Marcell Dareus lower than 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbalaya Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 In foresight, no one had watt over md. Really the only debate was green or maybe Peterson as BPA. Â Also note, it's a different scheme being run by us vs Houston. Maybe we should run their scheme. Ours sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Look at what the Texans do with Watt. They are moving him around constantly changing looks. Wanny just says line up and run forward. Honestly Marcell will be a great player for the Bills for years to come. I firmly believe that. The problem has been Wanny stubbornness to realize the league has changed. He is grudgingly giving in and mixing it up. If he continues to do that we will see Marcell in the back field more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I know this has been covered but I thought I would freshen it up. Do you at this time feel it was wise for the Bills to pick Marcell Dareus over JJ? I watched the HOU-DET game and JJ was in the QBs face or batting down balls all game. Â You should make this poll. Â Anyway it's not even close Watt was great last year and this year he is Defensive MVP, Watt by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think the key words in the OP's post are "at this time" and yes, at this time, Watt would have been the better draft pick. That much is obvious based on their play to date. Â Nobody in their right mind would have taken Watt over Dareus on draft day. That much is also obvious. Â And "at this time" has nothing to do with the future. Perhaps at that time, we'll be saying Dareus is the better pick. Â GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 We should have taken Brady in the fifth round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 JJ Watt is playing better right now.....  and   I would still take Marcel Darius.....who I still believe will end up being a dominant player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 One thing I would like to add here. Vince Wilfork could be on the Bills roster now instead of Lee Evans hanging out at hammers lot. So lets not be afraid to criticize the front office. lets see. First its not a fair comparison. They are different typed players. And to critique a player you need an equation or something to truly know why success or less has occurred. ok enough of that poo. They needed a Defensive tackle for the 3-4 4-3 . Marcel could play NT in the 3-4 and DE too. he showed his last college season that he could bring pressure from any where on the line. and he had speed, side to sideline. He had great play recognition. Most of us got on board after watching him play. So he has struggled as the whole team has. Houston is complete team almost. We are not. yet. Dareus is our man and will pull his jock up and get it together. He is right next to Kyle and KW will not let MD fail. Lets keep cheering the kid on.  JJ Watt is playing better right now.....  and   I would still take Marcel Darius.....who I still believe will end up being a dominant player exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills1960 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 True Dareus will probably never be the player JJ is but you can do this kind of thing in retrospect in thousands of situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Anyone else here think JJ might have a PED suspension in his future? Something about his crazed look and tree trunk-sized arms (plus playing with Cushing, who according to some, has been juicing since high school) just gives me that impression.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 As I said at the time, the Dareus pick was a great choice, and--that said--I would've been 100% satisfied with Watt. Anyone that watched him play in college should've seen how disruptive Watt would be in the NFL; he was dominant as Wisconsin. Â Again, I'm not writing off the possibility that Dareus could end up the better player, but I maintain anyone saying Watt would've been a reach at No. 3 probably didn't watch him play in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 We should have taken Brady in the fifth round. lol - I like that you're not reaching with a higher pick. Â Â Also, TBD would have melted down if the Bills took JJ Watt at 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteski Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I wanted AJ Green!!! Happy with Dareus but he hasn't played well this year but there is still potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 As I said at the time, the Dareus pick was a great choice, and--that said--I would've been 100% satisfied with Watt. Anyone that watched him play in college should've seen how disruptive Watt would be in the NFL; he was dominant as Wisconsin. Â Again, I'm not writing off the possibility that Dareus could end up the better player, but I maintain anyone saying Watt would've been a reach at No. 3 probably didn't watch him play in college. Â Many here thought he'd be a commodity at the next level but 3 absolutely would've been a shock. Â He was fighting to be in the top 3 or 4 guys to fit in a defensive front 7 off the board (not 3rd player overall) with miller the best edge rusher, dareus the head and shoulders number 1 big body, with watt, aldon smith, fairley and Robert Quinn being that next cluster depending on scheme and need and even cam Jordan possibly moving up into that group. Â Watt playing well is no surprise. Watt playing DMVP type ball is, and watt coming off the board before dareus would've been been unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Â Maybe we should run their scheme. Ours sucks. Â We did last time we were a playoff team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I remember some faint chatter about JJ Watt being the best 3-4 DE in the draft, but the overwhelming consensus was that Dareus was the man. This, however, is a great example of why fear of "reaching" & needing to lose to get better are flawed philosophies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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