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Didn’t Nate Geary say he’d resign from WGR if the Bills drafted Josh Allen? The tool should have kept his word.

Statistical data are useless unless you know how to interpret them. During Allen's first year, he had arguably the worst OL in franchise history. Kelvin Benjamin and Andre Holmes were the worst pair of starting WRs I've ever seen, on any NFL team. Zay Jones wasn't much better. During the offseason, the starter's reps had been given to Nate Peterman, not Josh Allen. Anything you could possibly think of to set a QB up to fail, the Bills did to Allen. What effect do you think all that had on Allen's rookie stats? When I watched Manuel's college highlight reel, there was nothing special there. The throws he made were throws I'd expect of any average college QB. Allen's college highlight reel was cut from an entirely different cloth. Manuel was the same guy in the NFL as he was in college. He was the same guy in year 4 or 5 of his NFL career as he'd been as a rookie.

Purdy turning into Nate Peterman before our eyes and I love it

I'm voting keeper. He kind of reminds me of Nate Clements in a way. Knox has had some brilliant truck and run highlights that keep you thinking, 'hang on, this guy can be something special', but the overall body of work says, 'yeah, pretty good, but someone else could probably take that production over for us, and probably cheaper.' Clements really was a good player, maybe on an average snap a bit better than Knox, but his entire career's worth of paychecks was mostly based on one (***** Awesome!!) hit. Beyond that he was a pretty good corner any championship level team could have on their roster, but he was not a catalyst. Knox makes more 'Wow' plays, but lacks the consistency to be relied on as a cog in a championship team, but he still has a definite chance to be a top-notch contributor on any given play, and despite the contract, his relative financial hit vs. what the 49ers paid Clements is pretty affordable. Clements at 6 years in was the more valuable player, but not by a lot, so I'm cool with giving Knox more time to develop his stuff. He's shown too much to just write off. ... I know, potential is maddening

Yeah, I don't think Nate is doing the team or Josh any favors by bringing negative attention to him from a situation from well over a year ago. Seems very tacky and unprofessional to even go there. If something happened, it happened and can't be taken back. When people ask him what happened, he keeps responding with "read my article". So tacky. FWIW I "read his article" and it said nothing of what happened, just that something happened, which he has already stated on Twitter. We have been having a really funky off season, do we have to bring negative attention to the QB, all to stick up for a WR that has his own not so great reputation?

It drives me nuts how the NFL front offices talk so much about character. But then teams who welcome the big troublemakers often seem to be the most successful. Most of the league's dynasties are horribly unlikeable outside of their hometowns. Growing up in the 90s, the off-field activities of the Dallas Cowboys were legendary and not in a good way. Michael Irvin, Nate Newton, etc. The players who weren't criminals had insufferable personalities, who were almost impossible to root for. Then you have the New England Patriots with cheating scandal after cheating scandal. The reason the Netflix roast is so popular, is because every sports fan outside of Boston hated Tom Brady and it's the closest we will ever get to seeing him punched in the face. Now it's the Chiefs. From Kareem Hunt to Tyreek Hill to Rashee Rice. Taylor Swift. Just awful. You really want to root for a guy like Patrick Mahomes or Andy Reid. But then you wonder why the team keeps turning a blind eye and drafting guys who are destined to become a problem.

A Nate Clements reference?

In a cutthroat league where all teams fire even good coaches who don't have immediate winning success, it's truly amazing how a boob like Nate Hackett has failed up and kept high level positions for so many years. He should be studied by science for the hope of future young hacks everywhere in all professions.

They actually have a pretty good roster. Their defense is very good and their offense has receivers, an RB and a really good line outside of the center spot….Althought I think both Powers and McGlichnchey, message board targets last year are both pretty terrible and very overrated. They don’t have a QB obviously and that is a huge problem. But I think they are far from the worst team in the league. They are an 8-9 type group imo. I don’t think Stidham is the guy, but I could see him starting a year as a bridge. Now if they trade Cortland Sutton and sign Nate Peterman or something, they arw tanking. I do think Sean Payton wants to prove he can win without Brees, just like BB tried to do in NE. And that’s why Stidham will get a shot. These guys are about ego.

The only difference between Allen and Mahomes is luck of the draw. Mahomes went to the greatest playcaller possibly ever with two first-ballot HOF pass catchers. Allen went to a guy who is so poor at evaluating offensive talent that he thought Nate Peterman should initially start over him.

Because Peterman was and still is the superior player. And you morons ran him out of town. We'd have a couple of championships by now if they had the cojones to stick with the great Nate.

With the 33rd pick of the TSW mock draft version 2.0 the Detroit Lions select: Kool-Aid McKinstry, Corner, Alabama The Lions roster has very few genuine needs but they are not good enough at corner. Even though Nate Wiggins would have been my BPA if still on the board selecting him here would not be a scheme fit. It would have been very Elam to the Bills. Halfway through the 2022 season the Lions moved to mainly a zone coverage scheme on the backend and have been a significantly better defense since. Wiggins is a man specialist but I am not sold on his fit in a zone scheme and he has short arms that limit his ability to make plays on the ball in off coverage. So I am going for Kool-Aid. I know it is a repeat of what @section122 did in version 1.0 but it just makes most sense, but I also picked up a couple of extra picks in the process. @section122 and the Patriots are now on the clock.

Truly, Peterman looked outstanding in 2018, and won the job clean from Josh. Then the regular season hit. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if Nate Peterman turned into a really, really good coach.

He strikes me as the kind of guy who goes around making enemies and is likely to be the guy who doesn't fit in to the culture. I.E., he's NOT a "good guy" that people like. It's amazing how much money he has made, and how much time he has spent in the NFL. Once you get in that club, it's impossible to leave! How about our old friend Nate Hackett? I still can't believe that guy has a job.

As far as I understand it, Nate Peterman is a whiteboard wizard. Essentially an extra coach in the QB room. It's what's kept him employed in the league and I expect that he'll be a great OC if he decides to get into coaching.

OOOOOOOUUUCCCH. I mean, it might actually be the best chance for them to make the postseason, but even with Sean Payton being a massive upgrade over Nate Hackett, that is a telling condemnation.

Here is what seems to be the most accepted formula. Google it and see for yourself how often this formula comes up. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/5/8/5683486/nfl-draft-trade-value-chart This chart doesn't list the value of the following year's picks but it does list the Bills #10 at 1,300 for a return of 786 (for picks 27 and 91). Even if the 2018 pick closed the gap somewhat, does the fact that the Bills were in desperate need for a quarterback escape you? The following is the 2017 Bills roster. It lists 3 QBs: 1) Tyrod Taylor 2) Nate Peterman 3) Joe Webb https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2017_roster.htm Does this appear to you to be a team that needed a cornerback more than a quarterback? If so, please help me understand your conclusion. Do ya think that KC Fans dislike ther fact that McDermott handed them a certain HOF QB, one of the best ever? Really, try to be serious. You may see those of us who think this was an almost indescribably stupid deal as being "nonsensical. Frankly I find this comment to be rude and presumptous but that's just me. Am I happy with Josh? Very happy!!!! We are extremely lucky that he fell to us, unless of course you think that McDermott planned this at the time of the trade. In any case, welcome to TSW.

Yep, as you said, we will have them the rest of the way since CBS has the SB. There is also an alternate simulcast of the SB on Nickelodeon, featuring Nate Burleson, Noah Eagle, SpongeBob SquarePants, Patrick Starr, Sandy Cheeks, Larry the Lobster, Dora the Explorer, and Boots: https://clutchpoints.com/super-bowl-gets-wild-spongebob-dora-boost

The Jets offense would stink even with Rodgers. Bad OL, bad weapons, and Nate Hackett. Terrible.

Announced today. Some of you hardcore football fans might be able to shed light on some of these players. I know Puca Nacua's brother, Kai was named all-league safety and that the placekicker Jake Bates made 3 FGs of over 60 yards. I wonder how many of these guys end up signing with an NFL team near you. 2024 All-UFL Team Offense Quarterback - Adrian Martinez, Birmingham Stallions Running Back - Jacob Saylors, St. Louis Battlehawks Wide Receiver - Hakeem Butler, St. Louis Battlehawks; Daewood Davis, Memphis Showboats; Marcus Simms, Michigan Panthers Tight End - Jace Sternberger, Birmingham Stallions Offensive Tackle - Jaryd Jones-Smith, St. Louis Battlehawks; Bobby Evans, Arlington Renegades Offensive Guard - Zack Johnson, Birmingham Stallions; Kohl Levao, San Antonio Brahmas Center - Mike Panasiuk, St. Louis Battlehawks Defense Defensive Line - Carlos Davis, Birmingham Stallions; Daniel Wise, Michigan Panthers Edge/Outside Linebacker - Chris Odom, Houston Roughnecks; Breeland Speaks, Michigan Panthers Inside Linebacker - Tavante Beckett, San Antonio Brahmas; Willie Harvey, St. Louis Battlehawks Cornerback - Deandre Baker, D.C. Defenders; Nate Brooks, Michigan Panthers; Ajene Harris, Arlington Renegades Safety - Kai Nacua, Michigan Panthers; A.J. Thomas, Birmingham Stallions Special Teams Kicker - Jake Bates, Michigan Panthers Punter - Marquette King, Arlington Renegades Long Snapper - Jordan Ober, Michigan Panthers Return Specialist - Chris Rowland, D.C. Defenders

When Easton stick takes off his helmet but its actually Nate peterman

I still have ptsd from when we went out there with Nate peterman, yes I realize this was a very long time ago

mahomes, stafford, russell wilson, joe flacco, aaron rodgers, the rest non-starting QB's: Detroit Lions QB Nate Sudfeld (Philadelphia Eagles; 2018) Kansas City Chiefs QB Blaine Gabbert (Tampa Bay Buccaneers; 2021) Las Vegas Raiders QB Jimmy Garoppolo (New England Patriots; 2014, 2017) Las Vegas Raiders QB Brian Hoyer (New England Patriots; 2019) New York Giants QB Tyrod Taylor (Baltimore Ravens; 2012) New York Jets QB Trevor Siemian (Denver Broncos; 2015) Tampa Bay Buccaneers QB John Wolford (Los Angeles Rams; 2022) Washington Commanders QB Jacoby Brissett (New England Patriots; 2017) History says the Super Bowl losing QB doesn't fare well so Purdy is out. Lamar Jackson is a joke. Burrow has a chance if he can be healthy. CJ Stroud has his sophomore slump to go through, Jalen Hurts was exposed, Baker Mayfield is the GOAT. I'd say he has a fair take.

Nasty Nate is right. We need difference-makers. The team has a lot of solid players even, in some cases, as backups. We need more difference-makers who can change the course of a game. I'd love a speedy Lee Evans-type wideout. And I'd love a good edge who doesn't spend most of his time on the bench. But whatever Beane does, I hope he finds playmakers. I'll be happy with a shutdown corner who's also a ballhawk. Or a bruising All-Pro OT who will keep Josh clean in the pocket and reliably push opponents back on third and short.

Explain Nate Hackett? Or Pat Shurmur having two chances to be a head coach? Or Rob Ryan? Or Andy Reid’s ex heroin son being a d line coach? Or garbage Brian Schottmeir? Or a million other examples. im not saying it’s all racism but it isn’t just the best guys getting the job. There is a guy in high school or college who is a million times better than Hackett but will never get a chance because is dad wasn’t a nfl coach or he’s not friends with the right people.