Game week thread - Saints at Bills

[Magox]

16 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Sorry but the fan "arrogance" of resting all these players is over the top.  Fans should have learned their lesson from Dolphins game, that wasn't the blowout must of us had envisioned.  You sit all these guys, not only is it dangerous but you are also sending a message to the team that not take this game seriously.

 

Exactly!  This is not how most NFL teams run their organizations, specially the good ones.   Every team on any given Sunday can beat another team.  I am fully confident that the Bills will not overlook this opponent and they will put in their best players until the game is in hand.  Is it possible that some of the backups or other guys get a few snaps throughout the game?  Absolutely, but not some sort of big shift in personnel.

[Captain Hindsight]

7 hours ago, Nostradumbass said:

I'll never forget the 16.5 point spread because that was the Week 3 spread when the Bills went into Minnesota as underdogs in Josh's rookie season

 

 

Unless Spencer Rattler jumps over Groot, we should be alright 

[colin]

on the joe marino show, it was stated that only one guy has an average per catch of over 10 yards on the ain'ts, and that's the TE who is like 11 ypc with not a lot of production.

 

they are going to quick pass, and we suck at stopping the quick pass, so i reserve my right to be a panic fan in teh game day chat as we see that happen.

 

similar to the miami game, i expect NO to need a super great game script to appear to have a chance, we will look bad at times, especially on D, and net net we will walk on them and win by two+ scores.

[Pete]

19 minutes ago, colin said:

on the joe marino show, it was stated that only one guy has an average per catch of over 10 yards on the ain'ts, and that's the TE who is like 11 ypc with not a lot of production.

 

they are going to quick pass, and we suck at stopping the quick pass, so i reserve my right to be a panic fan in teh game day chat as we see that happen.

 

similar to the miami game, i expect NO to need a super great game script to appear to have a chance, we will look bad at times, especially on D, and net net we will walk on them and win by two+ scores.

Shaheed has wheels. and should be paid attention too IMO

 

[No_Matter_What]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 

Yep.  people have short memories.  The Saints had the ball on their final possessions with a chance to beat Arizona and SF.  Those aren't horrible teams. The Seattle game got away because of 1st quarter special teams plays (punt return TD and blocked punt to set up another TD).  Obviously those are one off plays that might happen once a seasons.  This spread should be no more than the Miami game,  maybe 10.5.  It's just that oddsmakers view the Bills in such high esteem they can't get even money on both sides unless it's artificially high.

Yeah I do really wonder where this "Saints are the worst team in the NFL by a wide margin" mentioned by a few posters in this thread came from.

 

Yeah the Bills are a huge favorite and rightfully so and will most likely roll over the Saints but they are still an NFL team. At this point it is hard to say they are the worst team not to mention by a wide margin.

18 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Sorry but the fan "arrogance" of resting all these players is over the top.  Fans should have learned their lesson from Dolphins game, that wasn't the blowout must of us had envisioned.  You sit all these guys, not only is it dangerous but you are also sending a message to the team that not take this game seriously.

Agreed. Wtf is wrong with some of you. It's week 4 against an NFL team. Rest starters when the game is out of reach. Until then treat it as any other game.

[97bills]

The saints can and will run the ball. 

[Special K]

Is it just me, or does it feel like the Bills haven't played a game in a month even though it's only been a week??

[Gregg]

7 minutes ago, Special K said:

Is it just me, or does it feel like the Bills haven't played a game in a month even though it's only been a week??

 

But after playing two games in four days the team needed a mini-bye week.

[Rockinon]

The Bills can and will run the ball. Miami actually put 4 defensive tackles on the field at once in an effort to slow the run game down. They still couldn't stop it. Cook had 150+ yards. It's going to be interesting to see what NO does. Will they refuse to bring a safety down into the box too? This 12 & 13 personel the Bills are running is creating problems.

 

To add to the headache for defenses is occasionally the Bills are having success with jet sweeps and then Allen himself can run. And there has been an uptick in play action with Allen hitting TEs or Shakir. The Bills are being very patient by taking the easy yards. Eventually a defense is going to start leaving 1 on 1 opportunities open for our WRs.

 

Every coach knows that if you can't stop the run, you're in trouble. Especially, if you are also losing the time of possession battle. All the Bills have to do is keep the run game rolling and eventually something is going to open up down field. Just a matter of time.

[wjag]

Things I would like to see this weekend:

 

1. The other two RBs get some meaningful snaps and plays in the game.

2. Hold Kamara under 60 yards rushing

3. An INT from the secondary

4. A long TD pass to any WR on the roster

5. 4 or more sacks from the DLINE

6. Bills TOP topping 35 minutes

7. A sub 50% Saints success rate on 3rd down

[Pokebball]

2 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Unless Spencer Rattler jumps over Groot, we should be alright 

I've jumped over a rattler before

[PaattMaann]

59 minutes ago, 97bills said:

The saints can and will run the ball. 

 

they havent been that good at it this year

 

11 minutes ago, wjag said:

Things I would like to see this weekend:

 

1. The other two RBs get some meaningful snaps and plays in the game.

2. Hold Kamara under 60 yards rushing

3. An INT from the secondary

4. A long TD pass to any WR on the roster

5. 4 or more sacks from the DLINE

6. Bills TOP topping 35 minutes

7. A sub 50% Saints success rate on 3rd down

 

You might get 3 of those if your lucky

Edited September 25 by PaattMaann

[TheWeatherMan]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

 

Exactly!  This is not how most NFL teams run their organizations, specially the good ones.   Every team on any given Sunday can beat another team.  I am fully confident that the Bills will not overlook this opponent and they will put in their best players until the game is in hand.  Is it possible that some of the backups or other guys get a few snaps throughout the game?  Absolutely, but not some sort of big shift in personnel.

Every year the Bills (and most other organizations) lose to a scrub team or two that on paper should have annihilated. For the Bills, the loses to the Colts, Jets, Jags, Raiders over the last 4 seasons come to mind.  Taking a team lightly, generally doesn’t pan out very well at the professional level of play.  

[DapperCam]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Unless Spencer Rattler jumps over Groot, we should be alright 

Honestly, would be pretty cool to see

[billsfan89]

17 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

they havent been that good at it this year

 

 

You might get 3 of those if your lucky

 

I would just like to see a similar pace to the Jets game, defense needs to control the line and have a pass rush that can get pressure on third down at least semi-consistently. Offense needs to put up points on every drive to just build to a 2-3 score lead by half. The issue with the Fins game was both the early TD put the Bills behind the pace and the missed field goal gave the Fins momentum and kept it to a one score game. The Bills can't afford an early miscue because they won't be able to push the pace early and often to build a big lead and get this game into a 3-4 score lead going into the 4th where you just then need a defensive stop and a few first downs to grind out the game. 

[Big Turk]

20 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Sorry but the fan "arrogance" of resting all these players is over the top.  Fans should have learned their lesson from Dolphins game, that wasn't the blowout must of us had envisioned.  You sit all these guys, not only is it dangerous but you are also sending a message to the team that not take this game seriously.

 

There is no arrogance. The Bills won by their average margin in any game they play over the last 5+ seasons which an absurd almost 10 points.

 

Which includes their losses.

 

It's so far ahead of the next closest team, it's almost unfathomable.

 

So it's valid to expect them to roll over these middling teams, especially NFC teams, because they do it so regularly.

[TFBillsfan]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

Things I would like to see this weekend:

 

1. The other two RBs get some meaningful snaps and plays in the game.

2. Hold Kamara under 60 yards rushing

3. An INT from the secondary

4. A long TD pass to any WR on the roster

5. 4 or more sacks from the DLINE

6. Bills TOP topping 35 minutes

7. A sub 50% Saints success rate on 3rd down

Most importantly is get the W!!!!

[RiotAct]

3 hours ago, Magox said:

 

Exactly!  This is not how most NFL teams run their organizations, specially the good ones.   Every team on any given Sunday can beat another team.  I am fully confident that the Bills will not overlook this opponent and they will put in their best players until the game is in hand.  Is it possible that some of the backups or other guys get a few snaps throughout the game?  Absolutely, but not some sort of big shift in personnel.

if a player is truly “50/50”, meaning they technically could play but it would be very painful or their mobility would be somewhat limited, I say rest them. No sense in risking a re-aggravation of an injury against a non-conference opponent that you “should” beat.

 

But for those players that are a tad banged up but otherwise fine - play ‘em as you normally would.

[boyst]

4 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Maybe. Maybe not. Look at the Lions and Ravens game. Lions were running the ball EVERY first down early on, and getting no yards. But they kept at it and by the mid 2nd quarter they were gashing the Ravens for huge gains on every down, including first. Its a philosophy. You may not like it, or agree with it, but it is football 101. I don't think its so much as not risking turnovers as it is imposing your will on the opponent and wearing them down. It works. 

 

How games unfold, game script, is very real, and some games you will lean on that run, and sometimes you will lean into the pass. Its been 3 games, we have no clue what this offense will be (other than a chameleon that can beat you any way it decides).

You have to establish the run. Football 101

You have to set control of the LOS and the line does that best through run blocking. Football 101

Controlling the tempo of the game early with well designed runs and straight ahead blockinh wears down the DL. Football 101

 

In this game I hope we can use the full bench of RB's to establish the run game.

 

I am eager to get Ray Davis involved in the first quarter of our schedule. He needs playing time, IMO, especially when we can risk poor play/mistakes. 

 

Run the damn ball early, often and then do it again 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Every year the Bills (and most other organizations) lose to a scrub team or two that on paper should have annihilated. For the Bills, the loses to the Colts, Jets, Jags, Raiders over the last 4 seasons come to mind.  Taking a team lightly, generally doesn’t pan out very well at the professional level of play.  

Bills haven't lost to a scrub team since Dorsey was fired after the Broncos game in the middle of 2023.  The way you lose to a scrub team are usually turnovers, negative plays, special teams blunders, and a lack of effort.  We've fixed most of these so I'm not worried.