PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion

[WotAGuy]

25 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

 

The Pegula’s even told PSE employees making likely $60k per year that they would be fired (to save money) before the Pegula’s would let their family life (vacations, etc) be hampered.

Is this your interpretation of some information you came across, or do you have a source for this?  I mean, how can you run a business telling your employees something like that?

[Einstein]

18 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Is this your interpretation of some information you came across, or do you have a source for this?  I mean, how can you run a business telling your employees something like that?

 

A bunch of PSE employees spoke out a few years back. Let me see if I can find the article again.

 

Edit: Found it. It’s a couple years old so my recollection isnt perfect, but here it is:

 

Edited March 31 by Einstein

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Yeah that was an odd post by Royale. He clearly does not know many wealthy people.

 

The billionaire Pegula’s even implied to PSE employees making likely $60k per year that they would be fired (to save money) before the Pegula’s would let their family life (vacations, etc) be hampered.
 

Doesn’t surprise me in the least, I have family who work directly day to day with certain NFL owners (all I can say is it’s not the Pegulas) and I can personally attest billionaires are garbage people so completely out of touch with the world the overwhelming majority of us live in, especially with the record inflation we’ve all had to come to terms with, yet the “cost of living” pay increases that should be standard, are absent all together... The way they will waste egregious sums of $$$ on lavish nonsense, but then nickel and dime their employees is abhorrent. 
 

PSL’s are the timeshare of sports. 
Pegula bought this team for $1.7Billion, the team was valued by Forbes at $3.7Billion in August 23, so likely over $4Billion at this point. But that’s not enough?

We need to fund his stadium AND pay out the nose for the RIGHT to purchase tickets… Buy the PSL, perpetuate the cycle of inequality between the elites and the rest of us. Don’t buy the PSL, force change, what are they going to do, abandon a brand new stadium?

People act as if there is no choice here…

 

Edited March 31 by Dr.Mantis_Toboggan

[Augie]

33 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Doesn’t surprise me in the least, I have family who work directly day to day with certain NFL owners (all I can say is it’s not the Pegulas) and I can personally attest billionaires are garbage people so completely out of touch with the world the overwhelming majority of us live in, especially with the record inflation we’ve all had to come to terms with, yet the “cost of living” pay increases that should be standard, are absent all together... The way they will waste egregious sums of $$$ on lavish nonsense, but then nickel and dime their employees is abhorrent. 
 

PSL’s are the timeshare of sports. 
Pegula bought this team for $1.7Billion, the team was valued by Forbes at $3.7Billion in August 23, so likely over $4Billion at this point. But that’s not enough?

We need to fund his stadium AND pay out the nose for the RIGHT to purchase tickets… Buy the PSL, perpetuate the cycle of inequality between the elites and the rest of us. Don’t buy the PSL, force change, what are they going to do, abandon a brand new stadium?

People act as if there is no choice here…

 

 

I couldn’t let the bold pass. Classifying and lumping people together like that is a bad idea. There are all kinds of people in the Billionaires Club. My wife is in Wealth Management and they do annual retreats with top clients, including several billionaires.  Like non-billionaires, some are A-holes while others are absolutely delightful. 

 

 

[Einstein]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

Wealth Management and they do annual retreats with top clients, including several billionaires.  

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

some are A-holes while others are absolutely delightful. 

I mean... people typically are good to their own people.

So it doesn't surprise me that a retreat of billionaires and close-to-billionaires results in mostly good behavior with each other.

Put them in a retreat with plumbers, bricklayers and homeless, then let me know how they act.

[Augie]

34 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I mean... people typically are good to their own people.

So it doesn't surprise me that a retreat of billionaires and close-to-billionaires results in mostly good behavior with each other.

Put them in a retreat with plumbers, bricklayers and homeless, then let me know how they act.

 

So you think labeling and classifying and judging people due to a certain trait is a good idea? Really? 

 

I don’t know any billionaires, but we know several people who are family office size of $100mil or more. We have traveled with them and seen them with all types of people. I don’t feel like I should have to defend them when you have never even set eyes on them. 

 

This is coming off as juvenile at this point. 

 

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Edited March 31 by Augie

[Einstein]

46 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So you think labeling and classifying and judging people due to a certain trait is a good idea? Really? 

 

I dont see it as 'good' or 'bad'. Just is what it is.

Just like I classify most rocks as 'hard'. 

[HOUSE]

46 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

So you think labeling and classifying and judging people due to a certain trait is a good idea? Really? 

 

I don’t know any billionaires, but we know several people who are family office size of $100mil or more. We have traveled with them and seen them with all types of people. I don’t feel like I should have to defend them when you have never even set eyes on them. 

 

This is coming off as juvenile at this point. 

 

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I have $25 in my savings but I don't go around bragging

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

 

I have $25 in my savings but I don't go around bragging

 

Did you ever replace your ashtray? I might kick in if you start a Go Fund Me. 

Edited March 31 by Augie

[Royale with Cheese]

5 hours ago, CodeMonkey said:

Most who have "considerable wealth" didn't get there by blindly and stupidly allowing themselves to get raped by businesses.

 

They had a small business owner on the news here recently who has 8 box seats seasons, has had them for years.  His ticket rep told him the PSL for him would be $400K, which his business could not afford.  The owner asked if there was some kind of discount available and was told no.  The choice was to pay or give up some or all of the seats. The rep did offer up the contact info for a place to take out a loan (from which I suspect the Bills get a kickback). 

 

That's what the NFL has come to, pricing themselves out of reach to blue collar fans.  The NFL has shown its insatiable greed for some time now, but I (probably stupidly) was expecting more from a team in a blue collar town like Buffalo.  

As do the teams themselves.

 

Bottom line, if you don't like it don't pay.  That's all the NFL cares about quite frankly, when it affects their bottom line. 

A little dramatic.  Every business is affected by their bottom line.

 

So anyone who buys a PSL is getting blindly and stupidly raped?   
 

You have your right and opinion to not like it and also not go.  But since the NFL continues to grow and this is supply meets demand again…and the NFL has no reason to change.

 

I am not going to like paying more but I understand it is what it is.  I bring my son up there every year and this won’t stop me from doing it.  Plane tickets, hotels and game tickets are expensive for me but I will continue to do it because its worth it to me.

 

If its too financially hard on you, it sucks, I really do feel bad for you but this the result of something that is the biggest sport in the world revenue wise.  
 

[BarleyNY]

On 3/30/2024 at 10:13 PM, Punching Bag said:

 

Ebenezer Scrooge was a very rich man and way he did it was making sure he paid as little as possible.

 

Ebenezer Scrooge was a fictional character whose character change was the point of the story.

Edited April 3 by BarleyNY

[BarleyNY]

The only real issue I have will this entire situation is the obfuscation by of important information. I have zero issue with capitalism - businesses setting prices for their goods and services and customers making decisions on whether or not to buy them. But it is not right when a business purposefully misleads its customers by withholding information about the transaction. And while caveat emptor certainly applies, it’s still very shady. And it seems to be standard operating procedure for the introduction of PSLs. 

[Punching Bag]

16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Ebenezer Scrooge was a fictional character whose character change which was the point of the story.

 

Ebenezer Scrooge was based on real people at the time but he changed which was and is rare.

[BarleyNY]

15 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

 

Ebenezer Scrooge was based on real people at the time but he changed which was and is rare.

 

That is not thought to be true. IIRC the Scrooge character was based on Dickens’ father. Thus the two very different versions of him in the story. Scrooge’s treatment of his workers was a social and political statement regarding the (mis)treatment of the working class which was seen as very disposable at the time. 

[WotAGuy]

27 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

The only real issue I have will this entire situation is the obfuscation by of important information. I have zero issue with capitalism - businesses setting prices for their goods and services and customers making decisions on whether or not to buy them. But it is not right when a business purposefully misleads its customers by withholding information about the transaction. And while caveat emptor certainly applies, it’s still very shady. And it seems to be standard operating procedure for the introduction of PSLs. 

Can you identify what information is being withheld about the transaction?  
 

I understand some customers are sharing information about the pricing they have been given. So that info is out there. Those are the only transactions that have taken place so far to my knowledge. 
 

Now if you are referring to the PSL costs for other seating areas, the Bills have said those have not been determined yet, so there’s no information to withhold that I can see. 
 

If the PSL cost for other areas will be lowered if they sell a lot of the high-end PSLs, as has been surmised, then everyone should be hoping they sell a lot of those MFers. 

[BarleyNY]

20 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

Can you identify what information is being withheld about the transaction?  
 

I understand some customers are sharing information about the pricing they have been given. So that info is out there. Those are the only transactions that have taken place so far to my knowledge. 
 

Now if you are referring to the PSL costs for other seating areas, the Bills have said those have not been determined yet, so there’s no information to withhold that I can see. 
 

If the PSL cost for other areas will be lowered if they sell a lot of the high-end PSLs, as has been surmised, then everyone should be hoping they sell a lot of those MFers. 

 

The pricing will come out. My issue is with the specifics on how the PSLs work. There is a ton of misinformation out there now because it’s not being explained. I am sure that it will be put in the fine print in legalese at the last minute. The result will be that a lot of people will buy them without understanding what they bought. I lived in Cleveland when they got their last stadium and it is what happened there. I’ve watched for it in other cities since and it seems to be the playbook NFL teams use.

[WotAGuy]

1 minute ago, BarleyNY said:

 

The pricing will come out. My issue is with the specifics on how the PSLs work. There is a ton of misinformation out there now because it’s not being explained. I am sure that it will be put in the fine print in legalese at the last minute. The result will be that a lot of people will buy them without understanding what they bought. I lived in Cleveland when they got their last stadium and it is what happened there. I’ve watched for it in other cities since and it seems to be the playbook NFL teams use.

OK, I see what you are talking about and see what you mean.  However, unless you have been through the process and bought a PSL from the Bills, aren’t you projecting a lot of negative assumptions on that process?  There really is no basis for what you are supposing is going to happen, other than you know some people who didn’t do their due diligence when they bought PSLs from another team. 
 

If you’ve ever bought a house, did you read and understand the mountain of paperwork you signed your name to a dozen or more times?   I just bought a car and the papers I needed to sign were going by like a printing press. It was ridiculous.  However, that’s the way a lot of high-value transactions are done, and it’s up to the consumer to know what they are getting into. 
 

I don’t feel that these entities are trying to obfuscate the consumer; I think they are trying to protect themselves because they are selling thousands of their products, and of course they hold the advantage because they have something the consumers want. 
 

If I’m spending thousands on a PSL and don’t understand the contract, I’m gonna spend a few hundred to have a lawyer vet it for me. 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

Can you identify what information is being withheld about the transaction?  
 

I understand some customers are sharing information about the pricing they have been given. So that info is out there. Those are the only transactions that have taken place so far to my knowledge. 
 

Now if you are referring to the PSL costs for other seating areas, the Bills have said those have not been determined yet, so there’s no information to withhold that I can see. 
 

If the PSL cost for other areas will be lowered if they sell a lot of the high-end PSLs, as has been surmised, then everyone should be hoping they sell a lot of those MFers. 

 

I'm not deeply involved in this conversation, although I read up on it here, but from reading here and elsewhere like the BuffNews, Facebook, etc., it seems that the biggest issue among fans is that they want the pricing structure like a menu, to be able to see what they can afford and attempt to get the best seats for them that fit within that pricing structure, if at all.  

 

The "problem" appears to be that the team is only going to release a level or two at a time down the chart.  The problem that this presents is that people seem to be afraid that they're going to get pressured into seats/STs that may not be what they'd have chosen had they known all the options.  That's reasonable.  

 

It's one thing to only open up sales for certain sections.  It's quite another to hide the pricing info from fans as they go through the process, and it's viewed as high-pressure sales, which of course it is.  Who can or wants to pay for it has nothing to do with it, which will work itself out.  

 

It's going to be quite interesting to see how this all shakes out once the more reasonably priced tix & PSLs start going on sale.  

 

I could be entirely wrong, that's just my read for a large part of it.  

 

 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

 

That is not thought to be true. IIRC the Scrooge character was based on Dickens’ father. Thus the two very different versions of him in the story. Scrooge’s treatment of his workers was a social and political statement regarding the (mis)treatment of the working class which was seen as very disposable at the time. 

 

In college I was in literature class and research had indicated it was a composite of multiple people and he had frequent jabs at non-contributing wealthy.

[TwistofFate]

Too be honest, I can't believe people are shocked over these prices. 

 

A brand new stadium cost a fortune is being built, how do you think they are paying for it?

 

The old stadium carried no mortgage.  It was paid for in cash by pegula if my memory serves my correctly. 

 

It's impossible to expect those cheap prices forever, especially being they were the lowest in the league. 

 

This was more than expected for me, it was guaranteed to happen. 

[WotAGuy]

24 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I'm not deeply involved in this conversation, although I read up on it here, but from reading here and elsewhere like the BuffNews, Facebook, etc., it seems that the biggest issue among fans is that they want the pricing structure like a menu, to be able to see what they can afford and attempt to get the best seats for them that fit within that pricing structure, if at all.  

 

The "problem" appears to be that the team is only going to release a level or two at a time down the chart.  The problem that this presents is that people seem to be afraid that they're going to get pressured into seats/STs that may not be what they'd have chosen had they known all the options.  That's reasonable.  

 

It's one thing to only open up sales for certain sections.  It's quite another to hide the pricing info from fans as they go through the process, and it's viewed as high-pressure sales, which of course it is.  Who can or wants to pay for it has nothing to do with it, which will work itself out.  

 

It's going to be quite interesting to see how this all shakes out once the more reasonably priced tix & PSLs start going on sale.  

 

I could be entirely wrong, that's just my read for a large part of it.  

 

 

I’ve been reading the same media you have and I think a lot of the problem is people fearing they will lose their seats, due to huge price increases and losing their specific spot they have been in for decades, often with close friends nearby. The latter part really is too bad, but it is the nature of having to reseat everyone in a different stadium. 
 

I also think people are fearing the timeshare type pressure sales job they may get.   These are all reasonable concerns in my opinion. 
 

But I can see why the Bills are doing it the way they are with respect to limiting the options people have to buy seats during their presentation. 
 

The current stadium has a lot, in fact is mostly, season ticket holders. The Bills can’t be offering a menu of different price levels while still maintaining an inventory for the rest of the season ticket holders.  Many STHs have expressed concern they will lose their seats to people who turn down club seats for a lower-level option. The Bills are working it so that doesn’t happen. 
 

Like so many things, people fear the unknown. They also fear someone having control over them. Both of these fears are at work presently.
 

People also feel their personal STH seniority should carry more weight than it appears it will in the PSL process. So that is creating some anger and angst too. We all believe we are more important than we really are. That creates a lot of the anger and anxiety from what I’m reading on Facebook in particular. 
 

Patience and acceptance go a long way in these situations. Most people struggle with those qualities. 

 

[BarleyNY]

7 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

OK, I see what you are talking about and see what you mean.  However, unless you have been through the process and bought a PSL from the Bills, aren’t you projecting a lot of negative assumptions on that process?  There really is no basis for what you are supposing is going to happen, other than you know some people who didn’t do their due diligence when they bought PSLs from another team. 
 

If you’ve ever bought a house, did you read and understand the mountain of paperwork you signed your name to a dozen or more times?   I just bought a car and the papers I needed to sign were going by like a printing press. It was ridiculous.  However, that’s the way a lot of high-value transactions are done, and it’s up to the consumer to know what they are getting into. 
 

I don’t feel that these entities are trying to obfuscate the consumer; I think they are trying to protect themselves because they are selling thousands of their products, and of course they hold the advantage because they have something the consumers want. 
 

If I’m spending thousands on a PSL and don’t understand the contract, I’m gonna spend a few hundred to have a lawyer vet it for me. 

 

The terms of the PSL transaction would seem simple enough to clarify. I’ll wait and see how it all plays out. And tens of thousands of fans should not all need lawyers for that. 

[WotAGuy]

Just now, BarleyNY said:

 

The terms of the PSL transaction would seem simple enough to clarify. I’ll wait and see how it all plays out. And tens of thousands of fans should not all need lawyers for that. 

I think I remember that @Mr Info mentioned a 20-some page agreement that he was having his lawyer review, but I may be mistaken. 

[BarleyNY]

6 hours ago, Punching Bag said:

 

In college I was in literature class and research had indicated it was a composite of multiple people and he had frequent jabs at non-contributing wealthy.

Can’t believe that I looked this up for this board. Many theories but no real evidence of a specific person or composite. 

[Mr Info]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

I think I remember that @Mr Info mentioned a 20-some page agreement that he was having his lawyer review, but I may be mistaken. 

You are correct. My rep sent me a copy of the 27 page PSL agreement to review before deciding whether to purchase. Included were payment terms, licensee benefits & obligations, non payment of season tickets, etc.

[machine gun kelly]

I don’t know why any Bills fans are surprised about PSL’s as it’s the norms for new stadiums.

 

The Bucs did it way back in 1996 for Ray Jay when they demolished the old Sombrero.  They weren’t alone.  Bucs fans have to pay a lot of $ back then for psl’s.

 

When the Pegulas, and State fork out $1.5 billion, is this really a surprise.  If anyone doesn’t like it, watch the game from your couch.

[WotAGuy]

2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I don’t know why any Bills fans are surprised about PSL’s as it’s the norms for new stadiums.

 

The Bucs did it way back in 1996 for Ray Jay when they demolished the old Sombrero.  They weren’t alone.  Bucs fans have to pay a lot of $ back then for psl’s.

 

When the Pegulas, and State fork out $1.5 billion, is this really a surprise.  If anyone doesn’t like it, watch the game from your couch.

Reminds me of this South Park classic

 

Edited April 1 by WotAGuy

[papazoid]

Outcry over Bills' personal seat license rollout misguided ??

 

Only 1.6% of season-ticket account holders (all of whom have premium club-seat locations at the current stadium) have been invited to the Stadium Experience in Amherst

 

Among the people who have been invited, 96% have visited the Stadium Experience or scheduled a visit, and 75% of the account holders who have visited have signed PSL agreements for club seats.

 

As soon as this summer, season-ticket holders who currently have lower-bowl seats around midfield will be contacted. The PSL process will continue through the summer of 2026

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-personal-seat-license-ryan-ohalloran-column/article_0fdb8c78-edc3-11ee-8861-b3348dac0c5b.html

 

 

Edited April 1 by papazoid

[OutOfBubbleGum]

On 3/27/2024 at 7:37 PM, loyal2dagame said:

I'm curious as to how many people talking about PSLs have or ever had season tickets compared to people that buy single game tickets again compared to those who don't ever attend and watch on TV.

Just wondering....

And that's not meant to be a shot at anyone,  just trying to see the perspectives from each group.

I used to have 2 club seats in section 232. I don't think I would want to pay 40k to 50k to get them at the new stadium. Also our rec association at work has 4 club and 4 sideline seats that I usually attend a game a year with. The club seats are going away as we can't fund the PSL's and the sideline seats are in real jeopardy of being gone. I wish they'd keep the old stadium.

[eball]

19 minutes ago, papazoid said:

Outcry over Bills' personal seat license rollout misguided ??

 

Only 1.6% of season-ticket account holders (all of whom have premium club-seat locations at the current stadium) have been invited to the Stadium Experience in Amherst

 

Among the people who have been invited, 96% have visited the Stadium Experience or scheduled a visit, and 75% of the account holders who have visited have signed PSL agreements for club seats.

 

As soon as this summer, season-ticket holders who currently have lower-bowl seats around midfield will be contacted. The PSL process will continue through the summer of 2026

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-personal-seat-license-ryan-ohalloran-column/article_0fdb8c78-edc3-11ee-8861-b3348dac0c5b.html

 

 

 

Thank you.  I was just about to post the link to this article as well.  As usual, some b.s. gets out on social media and becomes labeled as "truth" when it isn't even close to being accurate.

 

[PBF81]

10 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

I’ve been reading the same media you have and I think a lot of the problem is people fearing they will lose their seats, due to huge price increases and losing their specific spot they have been in for decades, often with close friends nearby. The latter part really is too bad, but it is the nature of having to reseat everyone in a different stadium. 
 

I also think people are fearing the timeshare type pressure sales job they may get.   These are all reasonable concerns in my opinion. 
 

But I can see why the Bills are doing it the way they are with respect to limiting the options people have to buy seats during their presentation. 
 

The current stadium has a lot, in fact is mostly, season ticket holders. The Bills can’t be offering a menu of different price levels while still maintaining an inventory for the rest of the season ticket holders.  Many STHs have expressed concern they will lose their seats to people who turn down club seats for a lower-level option. The Bills are working it so that doesn’t happen. 
 

Like so many things, people fear the unknown. They also fear someone having control over them. Both of these fears are at work presently.
 

People also feel their personal STH seniority should carry more weight than it appears it will in the PSL process. So that is creating some anger and angst too. We all believe we are more important than we really are. That creates a lot of the anger and anxiety from what I’m reading on Facebook in particular. 
 

Patience and acceptance go a long way in these situations. Most people struggle with those qualities. 

 

 

Agree, it's complex.  That overlaps with my comment.  

 

That fear of losing their seats, it's not reasonable that everyone thinks they're going to get pretty much exactly the same seats because the new stadium will be so much different.  That's not even a possibility.  It's obvious.  

 

As to why they're doing it this way, that's immaterial.  It is what it is, but that doesn't make it "fair" or ethical.  

 

When I said "menu", by no means did I mean then opening it up to a free-for-all in sales, but simply post the varying PSL/ST process for all to see so that people can prepare.  There has to be some process to keep it under control.  

 

Not saying that's entirely practical either.  

 

It seems that people want to know, when their "turn" comes up, we want to be in (this, this, or that) section, what do you have there? kinda thing, and based upon what they can afford without being pressured into spending more than they were prepared to spend.  

 

We'll see, I'm still expecting much more drama.  Personally I don't care, I'm not paying for a PSL nor buying Seasons, so it doesn't really apply to me.  I do know quite a few fans that have been STHs who've told me that they're out now, and there's no shortage of them here either saying the same.  

 

It should be interesting.  

 

 

[DrBob806]

11 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

 

People also feel their personal STH seniority should carry more weight than it appears it will in the PSL process.
 

 

 

This is my issue. Seniority should be the #1 criteria for seat selection.

[papazoid]

all the 2023  different levels of pricing by section/area

 

https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/upload/v1676471808/bills/e7wdwwstbcqf3p4xru8v.jpg

 

assuming they are taking each different class/price one by one. starting with the highest price. then going by seniority within that group.

 

 

Edited April 1 by papazoid

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, DrBob806 said:

This is my issue. Seniority should be the #1 criteria for seat selection.

Wouldn’t work though. They’re offering comparable seating in the new building . If a large portion were to downgrade to a lower level of seating , they’d run out of customers for the premium seating and have to slash prices.  Their approach is understandable Vs purely by seniority.

[yall]

5 hours ago, papazoid said:

Outcry over Bills' personal seat license rollout misguided ??

 

Only 1.6% of season-ticket account holders (all of whom have premium club-seat locations at the current stadium) have been invited to the Stadium Experience in Amherst

 

Among the people who have been invited, 96% have visited the Stadium Experience or scheduled a visit, and 75% of the account holders who have visited have signed PSL agreements for club seats.

 

As soon as this summer, season-ticket holders who currently have lower-bowl seats around midfield will be contacted. The PSL process will continue through the summer of 2026

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-personal-seat-license-ryan-ohalloran-column/article_0fdb8c78-edc3-11ee-8861-b3348dac0c5b.html

 

 

Tonight at 11:

 

"Local sports reporter who will attend all games for free on behalf of the selling organization derides the cost concerns of paying customers."

 

 

In all seriousness it's a bit of a small sample set and given that the Bills are fully in control of whom they bring and in what order it should be of little surprise to anyone that their initial hit rate is good.

 

I'll reserve judgement until I see what I'm going to be asked to pay.

[DrBob806]

26 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Wouldn’t work though. They’re offering comparable seating in the new building . If a large portion were to downgrade to a lower level of seating , they’d run out of customers for the premium seating and have to slash prices.  Their approach is understandable Vs purely by seniority.

So over priced seats are ok? Rhetorical question obviously.

 

Here's the thing. You've got a family who's been a loyal Bills customer since the 60s, and the Bills are telling that family they may potentially lose out on their seats, because they didn't splurge for the pricier seats over time? It's wrong. 

 

 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

23 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I couldn’t let the bold pass. Classifying and lumping people together like that is a bad idea. There are all kinds of people in the Billionaires Club. My wife is in Wealth Management and they do annual retreats with top clients, including several billionaires.  Like non-billionaires, some are A-holes while others are absolutely delightful. 

 

 

Agree to disagree… I’m sure there are all kinds of people in the Billionares Club, a good one however, I’ll believe it when I meet one.  The idea of an altruistic billionaire sounds great in theory, imagine what the world would actually look like if this were indeed the case. Glad you couldn’t let the “bold pass”, what the world definitely needs is the part of the 99% white knighting on behalf of the <1%…

 

If they were good people, they wouldn’t be billionaires. They would’ve used the overwhelming majority of their liquidity/worth to do good, and make lasting change to leave this planet/society better than the one they were born into, and then still live a life of luxury that the overwhelming majority could never fathom on a pittance of a couple hundred million $.

[Augie]

14 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Agree to disagree… I’m sure there are all kinds of people in the Billionares Club, a good one however, I’ll believe it when I meet one.  The idea of an altruistic billionaire sounds great in theory, imagine what the world would actually look like if this were indeed the case. Glad you couldn’t let the “bold pass”, what the world definitely needs is the part of the 99% white knighting on behalf of the <1%…

 

 If they were good people, they wouldn’t be billionaires. They would’ve used the overwhelming majority of their liquidity/worth to do good, and make lasting change to leave this planet/society better than the one they were born into, and then still live a life of luxury that the overwhelming majority could never fathom on a pittance of a couple hundred million $.

 

You may have heard of some of these people. 

 

https://givingpledge.org/about

 

“In August 2010, 40 of America’s wealthiest people made a commitment to give the majority of their wealth to address some of society’s most pressing problems. Created by Warren Buffett, Melinda French Gates, and Bill Gates, the Giving Pledge came to life following a series of conversations with philanthropists about how they could set a new standard of generosity among the ultra-wealthy. While originally focused on the United States, the Giving Pledge quickly saw interest from philanthropists around the world.”

 

But please feel free to continue to lump people together by a single trait and judge them (incorrectly, I might add). They have a word for that. 

 

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Edited April 1 by Augie

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55 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

So over priced seats are ok? Rhetorical question obviously.

 

Here's the thing. You've got a family who's been a loyal Bills customer since the 60s, and the Bills are telling that family they may potentially lose out on their seats, because they didn't splurge for the pricier seats over time? It's wrong. 

 

 

Huh? This is exactly why they are doing it the way they’re doing it. They are going section by section. If that family had seats in the cheapest section of the stadium, they will get an opportunity to buy tickets in a similar section of the new stadium. 
 

you do know that the new stadium will have as many seats as there are season ticket holders in the current stadium now right? 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

You may have heard of some of these people. 

 

https://givingpledge.org/about

 

“In August 2010, 40 of America’s wealthiest people made a commitment to give the majority of their wealth to address some of society’s most pressing problems. Created by Warren Buffett, Melinda French Gates, and Bill Gates, the Giving Pledge came to life following a series of conversations with philanthropists about how they could set a new standard of generosity among the ultra-wealthy. While originally focused on the United States, the Giving Pledge quickly saw interest from philanthropists around the world.”

 

But please feel free to continue to lump people together by a single trait and judge them (incorrectly, I might add). They have a word for that. 

 

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Lol yes Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are “good people” now, right… back to 🏈…