Warriorspikes51 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 (edited) *Hardman candidly admitted that, by that point, "I was so checked out, like, it was over with. I had already talked to (KC GM Brett) Veach and Pat (Mahomes), like, ‘Come get me.’" Two weeks later, he was traded back to KC.” If this took place without the permission of the Jets: Hardman spoke directly to KC GM. Should be a tampering violation. WHERE IS THE FLAG FOR HOLDING REF?!?! Edited February 27 by Warriorspikes51 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 He's a 4th/5th WR on their depth chart, it sounds like he may have reach out to them first, not vice versa 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 My favorite part: "Hardman said he refused to return punts vs KC because he felt STC Brant Boyer had misled him about the punt-returning job in camp, and that he didn't have enough time to prepare when asked on the night of the KC game to step in for Xavier Gipson, who had tweaked an ankle a few days earlier. Hardman said he was dealing with his own injury (hyperextended pinky) that made it tough to catch. He said Saleh tried to convince him to do it, but Hardman said he told him, "I'm not catching for that man (Boyer)." The Jets are so poorly run. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 The tampering is one thing .. but that attitude is ridiculous.. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 27 Author Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: The tampering is one thing .. but that attitude is ridiculous.. yea and the clown was rewarded with the SB game winning catch. Sums up our society right now rather nicely 4 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The tampering is one thing .. but that attitude is ridiculous.. He's got multiple rings and the team that won went and got him back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, That's No Moon said: He's got multiple rings and the team that won went and got him back. Not much justice in this world is there ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Not much justice in this world is there ? The choir boys don't always win. In fact they usually don't. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 Just now, That's No Moon said: The choir boys don't always win. In fact they usually don't. Just don’t ask him to play special teams if he don’t like the coach … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaulGoodman Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 4 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: The choir boys don't always win. In fact they usually don't. Something tells me the Bills aren’t full of choir boys. And Hardman’s not a criminal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 12 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: yea and the clown was rewarded with the SB game winning catch. Sums up our society right now rather nicely Facts don't care about feelings👍 4 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Something tells me the Bills aren’t full of choir boys. And Hardman’s not a criminal. Go make me a cinnabon, Saul 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 23 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The tampering is one thing .. but that attitude is ridiculous.. The Jets are a garbage organization - and that’s a reflection of their owner. I don’t blame a player for sticking up for themselves if they are getting lied to and treated like crap. Good for him. I’ll remind everyone that the Jets used an old MRI to convince a player that he was healthy enough to play and would not further injure himself if he did. The more recent MRI showed that he was far more injured and that playing would put him at risk of further injury. Seriously, F the Jets. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 My takeaway from the article is this: Mecole Hardman is not real smart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 33 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: The Jets are a garbage organization - and that’s a reflection of their owner. I don’t blame a player for sticking up for themselves if they are getting lied to and treated like crap. Good for him. I’ll remind everyone that the Jets used an old MRI to convince a player that he was healthy enough to play and would not further injure himself if he did. The more recent MRI showed that he was far more injured and that playing would put him at risk of further injury. Seriously, F the Jets. Not heard the MRI story ….and who it involves… But Saleh should have got rid of Hardman immediately if he doesnt want to help the team out by filling in for an injured teammate… i think Saleh is a terrible head coach …and seems to have very little respect from the players … Edited February 28 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Confirmed that Hackett had absolutely no other job than to do what Rodgers wanted to do. Hell of an organization they got there 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 45 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said: Something tells me the Bills aren’t full of choir boys. And Hardman’s not a criminal. Not all jackasses are criminals. I'm a jackass with a clean record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 11 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: I’ve got no idea MRI story….and who it involves… But Saleh should have got rid of Hardman immediately if he doesnt want to help the team out by filling in for an injured teammate… i think Saleh is a terrible head coach …and seems to have very little respect from the players … Osemele story That’s exactly what Hardman wanted - and what the Jets did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, BarleyNY said: Osemele story That’s exactly what Hardman wanted - and what the Jets did. Nothing would surprise me about Gase.. Hardman was permitted to hang around the joint another two weeks ..even though he was self admittedly “checked out “… They ended up trading him for a bag of footballs … should have cut him on the spot instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Says a ton about Hardman and the Jets, but I would love for the Chiefs to lose a draft pick because of this stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 58 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The tampering is one thing .. but that attitude is ridiculous.. I don't know, I mean yeah it is, but at the same time would you do what is arguably the riskiest thing in the sport for someone you don't trust? Also, I know they get paid millions of dollars, but at the same time, their contracts aren't guarenteed and even if they were, these are still independent contractors arguably getting exploited by corporations (yes the players make millions, the owners make billions). I see it as him looking out for himself. Like, I think Beane, McD and the Pegullas are quite possibly at the top of the entire league, or close to it, in terms of being honest and genuinely caring about their players. Look at what is likely about to happen to Tre White, and remember he definitely signed what at the time seemed like a team friendly deal...now, you could say it was a super smart move for Tre, because he ended up getting a good chunk of guarenteed money as early as he could, but he could have made a lot more if he had waited a bit to sign. I'm not sure he took a team friendly deal as much as he looked to get generational money guarenteed as early as possible, even if the total amount wasn't as high as he could have gotten had he played an extra season...regardless if it was a wise choice or not, he is probably about to get released in a few months. I don't know if that makes Hardman have a bad attitude, I'm sure the vast majority of players in the league feel the same way...he probably has an honesty problem...but in a lot of ways, that makes him a great teammate and asset to an organization...Diggs is similar...yes men and women and group think is very bad in business and sports, even if it bothers management...management in a lot of cases are over promoted idea thieves...it's why everyone hating on McD is so annoying...he's actually building something by brining together ideas and synergizing them...he's not a Saleh or the dude in Atlanta just doing things you're supposed to do without actually understanding the purpose...he should get slack while he figures it out imo, but my Adderall has worn out and that's how we got this lovely gem of a post! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Things like this happen a lot more often than fans realize Players generally have say where they do or don't get traded to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 2 hours ago, That's No Moon said: The choir boys don't always win. In fact they usually don't. This has nothing to do with choirboy He was literally refusing to do with his team to ask him to do. I would’ve cut his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: This has nothing to do with choirboy He was literally refusing to do with his team to ask him to do. I would’ve cut his ass. And he'd have signed back with KC for free and still caught that pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: And he'd have signed back with KC for free and still caught that pass. It is what it is, but this says more about the Jets than it does about anybody elseM They run an absolute ***** show down there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Quote * On the Jets' 2023 culture/Hackett: "You just got a new (offensive) coaching staff that came in and there’s no standard there. Everybody does what they want to do. Granted, the defense has more of a stabilized standard with the coaching staff on that side, so the defense has a standard. But the offense is just like, 'We’ll just figure it out. It’s Aaron’s show. Let Aaron do what Aaron does.' Then when Aaron goes down, it’s like we don’t know what to do." Hilarious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I love off season drama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Most (all?) tampering charges in the NFL seem to surround free agents. This would involve a player who ultimately got traded from one team to another. It was publicly reported that the Jets were exploring trade options for Hardman on Oct 10th. The Chiefs traded for him on Oct 18th. Hardman stated he was "already checked out" prior to KC's game vs the Jets on Oct 1st, where he says to Mahomes and Veach to "come get me." It's unknown if the Jets had already engaged in conversations with the Chiefs at that point regarding Hardman. If they had, then I'd assume this absolves the Chiefs of any wrongdoing. It's also possible Hardman didn't actually talk to Mahomes/Veach on Oct 1st when he said and that it was actually after trade discussions were underway between the two teams prior to the Oct 18 trade. In the end, not sure there was an actual victim here. The Jets and Chiefs ultimately engaged in trade talks and completed a trade and the Jets received compensation for a player they wanted to get rid of. These seem to be the relevant parts of the potential tampering policy (below). Trade Discussions. Unless a new club has received written permission directly from a player’s employer club, entering into discussions with a player or his agent concerning the new club’s interest in acquiring the player via trade or otherwise would constitute a violation of the Anti-Tampering Policy. Under no circumstances should a new club rely upon any written or oral representation by a player or his agent that he has received permission to enter into discussions for a trade or negotiations for a contract. Nor should a new club rely upon a letter from the employer club to the agent or player granting such permission since employer clubs typically reserve the right to withdraw permission at any time, and may have already done so. Permission must be 4 NFL Anti-Tampering Policy (2018-2019) received by the new club directly from the employer club and should be in writing to protect the interests of both clubs. Assumption of Risk. To avoid potentially embarrassing situations and possible disciplinary actions, clubs are reminded that any contact by members of one organization with players of another organization could potentially interfere with an employer-employee relationship of the second club, even if the circumstances surrounding the contact may appear to be innocent. The Competition Committee has reviewed the Anti-Tampering Policy on numerous occasions and has always emphasized that great care and judgment must be exercised when any contact is made between the members of an organization and players from other teams, even in situations in which close personal relationships may exist. Although the Policy does not prohibit conversations or other forms of communication that are strictly social in nature, such communication can quickly and easily cross the line into prohibited topics of the type discussed in Section 3(b)(6) below. For this reason, clubs whose personnel engage in such social contact do so at their own risk and expose themselves and their clubs to discipline. Contact by Player. If a club is contacted by a player (or his representative) who is under contract to or whose negotiating rights are held by another club, and such player has not been given permission to negotiate with other clubs, or such player is not in a permissible negotiating period under the terms of an operative collective bargaining agreement, then the contacted club is prohibited from (i) negotiating with the player or his agent; (ii) discussing even in general terms the player’s possible employment with the contacted club; or (iii) discussing the player’s contract or his potential or ongoing contract negotiations with his current club. 5 NFL Anti-Tampering Policy (2018-2019) In addition, the contacted club representative must inform the player or his representative that under NFL rules the club is not permitted to discuss such matters, and, if such matters are raised by or with the player or his representative, the club representative must immediately report such contact to the owner or operating head of the club that holds the player’s rights. Nothing in this section shall preclude a club from negotiating with the certified agent of a prospective Unrestricted Free Agent during the two-day negotiating period, subject to that provision’s prohibition against direct contact by the club with the player himself. Example of Tampering. Without limitation to other examples of tampering with another club’s player, the following scenario would constitute a violation of the Anti-Tampering Policy: (i) A club’s representative, or a third-party intermediary of that club (Club A), is involved in a private meeting or conversation with a player (or his representative) who is under contract to, or whose negotiating rights are held by, another club (Club B); and (ii) The League obtains substantiation that before, during or after the above contact with the player, Club A has stated, publicly or privately, its interest in obtaining his services (see “Public/Private Statements” above); and (iii) Contract problems or other disputes subsequently arise between the player and Club B (for example, the player’s failure to report on time to Club B). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billl Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 What would the Jets argument be? That they were somehow forced to trade him to Kansas City? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 Just now, Billl said: What would the Jets argument be? That they were somehow forced to trade him to Kansas City? Don't think that matters. If KC contacted Hardman or if the two sides engaged in trade chatter without the Jets' knowledge then I feel like this should constitute something? You could argue that Hardman's contact with KC motivated him to be difficult with the Jets. Again, did the Jets know? We're assuming the worst in this exercise. It could have been completely innocent on both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Firebaugh Kid Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: yea and the clown was rewarded with the SB game winning catch. Sums up our society right now rather nicely Seriously it seems like good people get no love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: yea and the clown was rewarded with the SB game winning catch. Sums up our society right now rather nicely Im going to teach my kids that they can be a whiny cry baby quarterback or a douchebag tight end and you’ll end up being a winner in life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said: He's a 4th/5th WR on their depth chart, it sounds like he may have reach out to them first, not vice versa Gaffigan is going to become an NFL official?! He's practicing new calls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 9 minutes ago, beebe said: Damn he should switch to dB with the way he backpedals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, Warcodered said: Says a ton about Hardman and the Jets, but I would love for the Chiefs to lose a draft pick because of this stupidity. Does KC develop their draft picks, or just pick up players as they're released from custody? 12 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: I love off season drama Speaking of that, where's Sherlock Holmes been? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 15 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: *Hardman candidly admitted that, by that point, "I was so checked out, like, it was over with. I had already talked to (KC GM Brett) Veach and Pat (Mahomes), like, ‘Come get me.’" Two weeks later, he was traded back to KC.” If this took place without the permission of the Jets: Hardman spoke directly to KC GM. Should be a tampering violation. WHERE IS THE FLAG FOR HOLDING REF?!?! I can't imagine it's tampering for a GM or coach to be talked to about this. How can they control what people say to them? The GM or coach talking back, now that they can control. But Hardman I don't think said anything about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 13 hours ago, HardyBoy said: what is arguably the riskiest thing in the sport for someone you don't trust? He could have gone out there and made a fair catch, no? Instead he acted like a petulant child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 15 minutes ago, Whkfc said: Damn he should switch to dB with the way he backpedals. I hear you, but he wasn't really backpedalling. He said he did not "have talks" with them. And he said he "had already talked to" them. Those aren't necessarily the same thing. He might have said, "Come get me," to Veach and Reid on the field after a game and they smiled but didn't say anything. Those two statements aren't necessarily contractictory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 1 hour ago, beebe said: Yeah that definitely doesn't look like an "Oh ***** I wasn't supposed to say that," tweet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 14 hours ago, Warcodered said: Says a ton about Hardman and the Jets, but I would love for the Chiefs to lose a draft pick because of this stupidity. yeah...that'll stop 'em in their quest for a 3 peat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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