Pit Bulls are so cuddly!!! Breed more of them.

[muppy]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Dr. Pol gets *&*& done and doesn't seem all that stressed out, Mup.  For what it's worth, I think you may be a tad too close on this one.  

LEO!~!!! Sup homes? you are looking FINE by me lol but then I do need new glasses 😎

[Simon]

53 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

All the issues at our local dog park over the last few years involve German Shepherds. Incredibly aggressive, uncontrollable dogs that have been bred to kill.

 

Our first family dog was a GS that turned out to be an untrainable, territorial sociopath that I didn't want around the kids any more.

Before it was a year old I had to drive it halfway across Pennsyltucky to an organization that rehomes Sheperds like that.

 

As for pits, I, ummmmm, don't have a dog in this fight........

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

 

A guy on my college hoops message board is a director at a shelter in his area. He says Pit Bulls account for well over 80% of the population at the shelter. I looked at volunteering at a shelter near us, and that number seemed very conservative. They are irresponsibly bred and that’s not the dog’s fault, but that doesn’t make them safe. 

 

Of course the shelters are going to sell you on the virtues of the creatures they can’t get rid of. 

 

Irresponsible breeding does not necessarily result in dogs with bad temperaments.  It mostly results in 1) oversupply of dogs and 2) unhealthy dogs.   Furthermore, irresponsible breeders are not necessarily just the scum running puppy mills, but also the family guy down the street who decides to breed his unspayed female Lab to his neighbor's unfixed male Lab that has been suffering from hip displasia since he was 2 years old.  It can also be the breeder dreaming of winning his breed at Westminster who doesn't care that the puppies from his/her next litter will have the same dog as 3 of the 4 great-grandsires.

 

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I have two pitbulls and recently adopted a barn cat.  The cat and my pitbulls loved each other immediately and they are inseparable.  

My older pit sleeps with my 9 year old son.  My son's best friend across the street comes over with his pitbull to play with my pits.
I have a dog play ramp with artificial grass over the top and a dig pit for them to dig.  

 

I pet sit on Rover.com.  I take my pit bulls to the dog park and have for years.  They are the most gentle, sweetest dogs you will ever meet.

 

Most pitbull attacks are falsely identified as pitbulls.  Most people assume a mix breed dog that they can't identify the breed is a pit and most of the times it's not.

Just because it's mixed doesn't mean it's a pit.  Just like if a person is Asian, doesn't mean he's Chinese. 

 

So the statistics you are using are inaccurate and that is painting a negative picture.

 

Pitbulls are great.  People aren't.  

 

 

 

Boxer mixes are frequently mistaken as pit mixes.  Many of the cur dog breeds that developed as hunting/farm dogs in the Appalachian Mountains in the nineteenth century and spread primarily through the Upper South and into Louisiana and Texas like the Catahoula Leopard Dog, the Tennessee Treeing Brindle, and the Mountain Cur can easily be mistaken for pit mixes as well.   These breeds are about the size of pitbulls, have short hair, and are strong, muscular dogs usually with stocky builds.  

DNA testing is the only sure way to determine what breed mixture a dog really is because looks can be deceiving.   Veterinarians, vet techs, and shelter workers give it their best guesses, but there's no guarantees on what gets passed down through the genes. 

 

My friends had a leggy, short-haired boy named Isaac that was primarily white with some black spots.  He looked like some kind of Dalmation or Greyhound mix.  He turned out to be Doberman and Border Collie.  

 

My boy Gibbs' mom looked to be a smallish tri-colored Aussie shepherd, but as Gibby began growing he bore an increasing resemblance to a odd-colored Dingo (he's gray/black color called a blue merle) rather than to an Aussie shepherd, and he became significantly bigger and stockier than an Aussie as he matured.   It turns out he's about 40% Blue Heeler, 30% Aussie Shepherd, and 30% smattering of German Shepherd, Norwegian Elkhound,  Black Lab, and "general dog genes".   FYI -- the Dingo look in Gibbs' late puppyhood came from his Heeler ancestry as Heelers were mixed with Dingos in Australia.   Australia Shepherds originated in Callifornia and have no connection to Australia -- or Dingos.

 

18 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Pretty good circlejerk yall got going on in here.

 

I'll just say this...

 

Pitbulls

Rottweilers

German Shepherds

Mastiffs

Irish Wolfhounds

Boxers

Akitas

Plott Hounds

Dobermans

Rhodesian Ridgebacks

Really, any breed that can get over 60lbs.

 

All potentially very dangerous dogs. So ban em all if that's your solution.

 

All the issues at our local dog park over the last few years involve German Shepherds. Incredibly aggressive, uncontrollable dogs that have been bred to kill.

 

If you really care about safety, can't just stop at one breed.

 

 

Well said, sir!  

[SoTier]

29 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Airdale Terriers are fairly big but I have never come across a mean one. I would get one in a second but my wife is highly allergic to dogs and cats. I am however told that they will eat your furniture if they don't get proper exercise.

 

 

Yes, they will -- or pee all over your house, too.   It's mostly if they feel they're being ignored rather than lack of exercise.   They are non-shedders, so they may be suitable for people with allergies, but not people who aren't willing to include them in the family activities.  Male Airedales should hit 60 pounds or more, and some of the old-style ones top 80 pounds.   Today, the breed is very good tempered, but in the heyday of their popularity in the 1920s, they were infamous for being fierce guard dogs.   They were used in the 1950s and 1960s in the western US to hunt cougars and bear along with various hunting cur hounds.   In fact, today Airedales compete in hunting field trials like sporting breeds like pointers, spaniels, and retrievers.

 

I grew up with Airedales, which my dad used as hunting dogs with his pack of Black and Tan Coonhounds, and I had one of my own as an adult for over a decade.   He was not a hunter, however, just fifty pounds of lap dog and hiking companion.

[LewPort71]

48 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Airdale Terriers are fairly big but I have never come across a mean one. I would get one in a second but my wife is highly allergic to dogs and cats. I am however told that they will eat your furniture if they don't get proper exercise.

 

I had an airedale when I was young.  They are great dogs, but really need the exercise you mentioned.  Much better suited for a farm environment than the suburban neighborhood I grew up in.  Gus was 60+ pounds.  Looked fierce but we were convinced if our house was broken into, Gus would show them where the good silver was.  We never locked our doors but that was the norm growing up in the '60's.  

Edited February 27 by LewPort71

[Augie]

13 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Irresponsible breeding does not necessarily result in dogs with bad temperaments.  It mostly results in 1) oversupply of dogs and 2) unhealthy dogs.   Furthermore, irresponsible breeders are not necessarily just the scum running puppy mills, but also the family guy down the street who decides to breed his unspayed female Lab to his neighbor's unfixed male Lab that has been suffering from hip displasia since he was 2 years old.  It can also be the breeder dreaming of winning his breed at Westminster who doesn't care that the puppies from his/her next litter will have the same dog as 3 of the 4 great-grandsires.

 

 

Absolutely correct. My 5th Golden was a dumb impulse purchase from a backyard breeder. Selling the litter was one of the last things they did before closing their restaurant and skipping out of town. I don’t think they were evil people, I just think they knew nothing about breeding and saw a way to make some money.

 

Our pup was sweet as could be, but she developed a thyroid problem requiring daily medication. The vet warned us she could become dangerous if her levels got too out of whack. She was also a submissive peeing dog. Sweet, but poorly bred thru no fault of hers. 

 

There are good and bad dogs from every breed. 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Pretty good circlejerk yall got going on in here.

 

I'll just say this...

 

Pitbulls

Rottweilers

German Shepherds

Mastiffs

Irish Wolfhounds

Boxers

Akitas

Plott Hounds

Dobermans

Rhodesian Ridgebacks

Really, any breed that can get over 60lbs.

 

All potentially very dangerous dogs. So ban em all if that's your solution.

 

All the issues at our local dog park over the last few years involve German Shepherds. Incredibly aggressive, uncontrollable dogs that have been bred to kill.

 

If you really care about safety, can't just stop at one breed.

 

american bullies

cane corsos

malamutes

great danes

bloodhounds

etc etc

 

[teef]

i like pits as i've know a couple that have been very sweet, but they make me wildly paranoid.  i feel they sense that fear, and i think it makes them uncomfortable, which makes me uncomfortable, etc.   i appreciate the breed, but i wouldn't own one, nor would i be comfortable with one living anywhere near me.  you need a very specific owner for the breed, and if that's not present, why bother.  

 

my brother has a rot, and one of my best friends has dobermanns.  the dogs are great, and for whatever reason, i don't carry the same paranoia, when they're equally dangerous dogs.  

 

i do get why people like the breed as many are as sweet as can be, but i don't want them anywhere near me, or especially my kids.

[GoBills808]

5 minutes ago, teef said:

i like pits as i've know a couple that have been very sweet, but they make me wildly paranoid.  i feel they sense that fear, and i think it makes them uncomfortable, which makes me uncomfortable, etc.   i appreciate the breed, but i wouldn't own one, nor would i be comfortable with one living anywhere near me.  you need a very specific owner for the breed, and if that's not present, why bother.  

 

my brother has a rot, and one of my best friends has dobermanns.  the dogs are great, and for whatever reason, i don't carry the same paranoia, when they're equally dangerous dogs.  

 

i do get why people like the breed as many are as sweet as can be, but i don't want them anywhere near me, or especially my kids.

so to clear up any misconceptions

 

this breed of dog does not possess telepathy

nor does its jaw structure differ physiologically from other members of the species

[teef]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

so to clear up any misconceptions

 

this breed of dog does not possess telepathy

nor does its jaw structure differ physiologically from other members of the species

oh i understand it's my paranoia, but it's not exactly manifested from a random phobia.  it's from seeing and reading countless stories about pits harming kids, their owners, and other dogs.  if people don't want to believe that from the nature of the breed, go nuts.  hell, my homeowners insurance wouldn't even cover me if i had a pit.  i'm sure that's just generic too.

[GoBills808]

Just now, teef said:

oh i understand it's my paranoia, but it's not exactly manifested from a random phobia.  it's from seeing and reading countless stories about pits harming kids, their owners, and other dogs.  if people don't want to believe that from the nature of the breed, go nuts.  hell, my homeowners insurance wouldn't even cover me if i had a pit.  i'm sure that's just generic too.

it's manifested by a rote misunderstanding of genetics and the fact that certain stereotypes of dogs and more specifically their owners plays well in suburbia

 

i encourage you to read this if you're interested in inheritance of behavioral traits in dogs

 

https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.abk0639

 

if you don't they conclude breed is not a reliable predictor of individual behavior

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Mods won’t shut it down (duplicate threads about a backup QB are no-no, but this thread is fine somehow) and it’s the top topic on this sub-board, so I’ll play along among some brutally ignorant comments. 

 

Pitbull is not actually a breed of dog, it’s an umbrella term that covers 4-5 different breeds. Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier to name a few. 
 

There are also actually 12 “bully” breeds, dogs bred to do the same type as work often stereotyped for Pitts. In the 70-80s, they became popular for blood sports but historically have been used on farms. They are not aggressive by nature, but they are highly protective animals. They are also highly loving, have been referred to as ‘nanny dogs.’ 

 

1 in every 20 dogs in America can classify as a pitbull mix, and it’s the #1 most abused dog in the world. At one shelter, they tested the DNA of their ‘pit bulls’ and found that they actually had less than 50% of the ‘Pitbull’ mix DNA, but they were all still incorrectly labeled as ‘Pitbulls’ (which technically, is always incorrect). Most dogs, I’d wager, are actually muts/mixes. 
 

I get it, the big bad Pitbull leads dog bites (72% of ALL dog attacks are males that are not neutered). When you realize that ‘Pitbull’ is a blanket term that covers 4-5 breeds, of course those numbers are high. These lists don’t compile Sheppard breeds or retrievers, just bull-terrier types. 
 

How about we stop using dogs for security, and get our pets spayed/neutered? You want to cut down on dog bites/attacks, that’s how you do it. 
 

This thread struck a nerve with me, congrats. I think I’ll go wrestle my family ‘pitbulls’ this weekend. 

[Gugny]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Mods won’t shut it down (duplicate threads about a backup QB are no-no, but this thread is fine somehow) and it’s the top topic on this sub-board, so I’ll play along among some brutally ignorant comments. 

 

Pitbull is not actually a breed of dog, it’s an umbrella term that covers 4-5 different breeds. Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier to name a few. 
 

There are also actually 12 “bully” breeds, dogs bred to do the same type as work often stereotyped for Pitts. In the 70-80s, they became popular for blood sports but historically have been used on farms. They are not aggressive by nature, but they are highly protective animals. They are also highly loving, have been referred to as ‘nanny dogs.’ 

 

1 in every 20 dogs in America can classify as a pitbull mix, and it’s the #1 most abused dog in the world. At one shelter, they tested the DNA of their ‘pit bulls’ and found that they actually had less than 50% of the ‘Pitbull’ mix DNA, but they were all still incorrectly labeled as ‘Pitbulls’ (which technically, is always incorrect). Most dogs, I’d wager, are actually muts/mixes. 
 

I get it, the big bad Pitbull leads dog bites (72% of ALL dog attacks are males that are not neutered). When you realize that ‘Pitbull’ is a blanket term that covers 4-5 breeds, of course those numbers are high. These lists don’t compile Sheppard breeds or retrievers, just bull-terrier types. 
 

How about we stop using dogs for security, and get our pets spayed/neutered? You want to cut down on dog bites/attacks, that’s how you do it. 
 

This thread struck a nerve with me, congrats. I think I’ll go wrestle my family ‘pitbulls’ this weekend. 

You mad, bro?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, teef said:

i like pits as i've know a couple that have been very sweet, but they make me wildly paranoid.  i feel they sense that fear, and i think it makes them uncomfortable, which makes me uncomfortable, etc.   i appreciate the breed, but i wouldn't own one, nor would i be comfortable with one living anywhere near me.  you need a very specific owner for the breed, and if that's not present, why bother.  

 

my brother has a rot, and one of my best friends has dobermanns.  the dogs are great, and for whatever reason, i don't carry the same paranoia, when they're equally dangerous dogs.  

 

i do get why people like the breed as many are as sweet as can be, but i don't want them anywhere near me, or especially my kids.

I get it, when I worked for a my vet, I was nearly attacked by a rotty. This 100 pound woman comes in double fisting dog chain link leashes. 85 pound Rottweiler on one, 70 pound husky on the other. The husky was anxious, which got her rotty going and they both started feeding off each other and she wouldn’t/couldn’t control either one. My back was to a wall, I was completely cornered for a split second and the dog lunged at me, sending the woman for a ride the dogs nose made contact with my hand (left a wet spot) meaning he kept his head level, like a shark. Had he turned his head like a t-Rex, he easily would have gotten my hand in his mouth. He would have done considerable damage, and given the high stress situation with the owner and housemate, I have absolutely no doubt the husky would have joined in and the rotty likely would have went at me again. 
 

Somehow the dog missed and I was able to spin through a door, but I tell you my face was complete white and that experience rattled me. 
 

I love dogs, but I trust no dog that I don’t know and I fully trust none other than the 5 that are in my immediate family. Every dog is dangerous, any stranger dog can kill you, a child, or a pet. Stranger danger doesn’t just apply to humans. 
 

 

Edited February 27 by TheyCallMeAndy

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

20 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Mods won’t shut it down (duplicate threads about a backup QB are no-no, but this thread is fine somehow) and it’s the top topic on this sub-board, so I’ll play along among some brutally ignorant comments. 

 

Pitbull is not actually a breed of dog, it’s an umbrella term that covers 4-5 different breeds. Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier to name a few. 
 

There are also actually 12 “bully” breeds, dogs bred to do the same type as work often stereotyped for Pitts. In the 70-80s, they became popular for blood sports but historically have been used on farms. They are not aggressive by nature, but they are highly protective animals. They are also highly loving, have been referred to as ‘nanny dogs.’ 

 

1 in every 20 dogs in America can classify as a pitbull mix, and it’s the #1 most abused dog in the world. At one shelter, they tested the DNA of their ‘pit bulls’ and found that they actually had less than 50% of the ‘Pitbull’ mix DNA, but they were all still incorrectly labeled as ‘Pitbulls’ (which technically, is always incorrect). Most dogs, I’d wager, are actually muts/mixes. 
 

I get it, the big bad Pitbull leads dog bites (72% of ALL dog attacks are males that are not neutered). When you realize that ‘Pitbull’ is a blanket term that covers 4-5 breeds, of course those numbers are high. These lists don’t compile Sheppard breeds or retrievers, just bull-terrier types. 
 

How about we stop using dogs for security, and get our pets spayed/neutered? You want to cut down on dog bites/attacks, that’s how you do it. 
 

This thread struck a nerve with me, congrats. I think I’ll go wrestle my family ‘pitbulls’ this weekend. 

It’s weird, but while being educated  on this subject, I also feel like there is a pit bull* punching his fist into his paw, circling while I read, ready to pounce.  It’s exhilarating and terrifying all at once. 
 

*as measured by DNA, 51% or more actual pit bull. 
 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

10 hours ago, QCity said:

 

What happened to them?

One was bit in the face, she had to have surgery and will have scars.
 

One was bit in the hand and has nerve damage from it. I’m leaving out details, but let’s say this situation was seconds from turning out much worse for all parties involved. 

1 minute ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

It’s weird, but while being educated  on this subject, I also feel like there is a pit bull* punching his fist into his paw, circling while I read, ready to pounce.  It’s exhilarating and terrifying all at once. 
 

*as measured by DNA, 51% or more actual pit bull. 
 

 

Are you eating food? It’s probably just hungry. Thankfully it isn’t a chichi, you’d be in mortal danger. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

32 minutes ago, Gugny said:

You mad, bro?

Mad? No. Quite sane. Just annoyed. Disgusted. It’s my fault, I shouldn’t let complete and total dipsh!ts bother me, but alas, I must be having an off day.

 

In truth, I’d rather be ‘mad’ than ignorant. 
 

✌️

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just checking in here to see what kinda mess Ferguson @BringBackFergy created. 

 

Carry on...

[teef]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

it's manifested by a rote misunderstanding of genetics and the fact that certain stereotypes of dogs and more specifically their owners plays well in suburbia

 

i encourage you to read this if you're interested in inheritance of behavioral traits in dogs

 

https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.abk0639

 

if you don't they conclude breed is not a reliable predictor of individual behavior

i absolutely agree that a large majority of it is on the owners.  the local animal shelters won't let you adopt any dog containing pit if you live in certain zip codes.  i get it, but there's a reason those dogs are marked as dangerous.  if you don't think pits are just more dangerous that other breeds, that's fine, but i guarantee that the next story that comes on the news concerning a dog attack, it will involve a pit.  i'm not letting those murderers into my home.  i might as well just adopt cougar and hope everything works out ok.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

i absolutely agree that a large majority of it is on the owners.  the local animal shelters won't let you adopt any dog containing pit if you live in certain zip codes.  i get it, but there's a reason those dogs are marked as dangerous.  if you don't think pits are just more dangerous that other breeds, that's fine, but i guarantee that the next story that comes on the news concerning a dog attack, it will involve a pit.  i'm not letting those murderers into my home.  i might as well just adopt cougar and hope everything works out ok.

 

You get the right cougar, it could be much better than ok.  

 

Oh! Did you mean……😱

[teef]

35 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I get it, when I worked for a my vet, I was nearly attacked by a rotty. This 100 pound woman comes in double fisting dog chain link leashes. 85 pound Rottweiler on one, 70 pound husky on the other. The husky was anxious, which got her rotty going and they both started feeding off each other and she wouldn’t/couldn’t control either one. My back was to a wall, I was completely cornered for a split second and the dog lunged at me, sending the woman for a ride the dogs nose made contact with my hand (left a wet spot) meaning he kept his head level, like a shark. Had he turned his head like a t-Rex, he easily would have gotten my hand in his mouth. He would have done considerable damage, and given the high stress situation with the owner and housemate, I have absolutely no doubt the husky would have joined in and the rotty likely would have went at me again. 
 

Somehow the dog missed and I was able to spin through a door, but I tell you my face was complete white and that experience rattled me. 
 

I love dogs, but I trust no dog that I don’t know and I fully trust none other than the 5 that are in my immediate family. Every dog is dangerous, any stranger dog can kill you, a child, or a pet. Stranger danger doesn’t just apply to humans. 
 

 

this is really the best approach for any dog.  my kids are at the age where we're trying to make them very aware that they just cant' wander up to any dog on a whim.  you have to ask, and even then be careful.  we had a young couple that didn't live on our street that would walk their pits.  good owners and nice people.  my daughter asked if she could pet their dogs one day, and her immediate answer was, "no thank you" and she kept walking.  there's a reason for that, and i'll give her credit for being a good owner.

 

and dogs are individuals.  my friend's family has always had chows, and even though they have a history, the dogs were great.  expect for one.  this ***** bit everyone.  it bit me, it bit his dad, grandma, friends, etc.  it was a biter.  repeatedly we told him to put that dog down, and he refused.  well, on christmas morning while his girlfriend was petting the dog, it got up aggressively and started to approach her.  he put himself in between her and the dog, and the dog proceeded to maul his arm.  it was mess.    all his other chows were a dream, and this one happened to be a head case.  just like people.  

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

make a new thread with a poll for this 😁

it's not fun unless you have a completely embedded and entrenched view that is firm and over the top to a whimsical level. bringing in levelheadedess is boring!

 

My friends wife just had to have surgery on her finger because her German Shepherd of 8 years attacked her.  It took off about 3/4 of an inch of the tip of the finger.  Tendons were ripped and will be in a cast for awhile.

 

Black Lab.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

 

Golden Retriever

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-6-needed-surgery-after-30866709

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dog-attack-golden-retriever-hamilton-27101856

 

Even Shelter Workers misidentify dogs.

https://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/2016/02/17/dna-studies-reveal-that-shelter-workers-often-mislabel-dogs-as-pit-bulls/

 

 

Edited February 27 by Royale with Cheese

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, teef said:

this is really the best approach for any dog.  my kids are at the age where we're trying to make them very aware that they just cant' wander up to any dog on a whim.  you have to ask, and even then be careful.  we had a young couple that didn't live on our street that would walk their pits.  good owners and nice people.  my daughter asked if she could pet their dogs one day, and her immediate answer was, "no thank you" and she kept walking.  there's a reason for that, and i'll give her credit for being a good owner.

 

and dogs are individuals.  my friend's family has always had chows, and even though they have a history, the dogs were great.  expect for one.  this ***** bit everyone.  it bit me, it bit his dad, grandma, friends, etc.  it was a biter.  repeatedly we told him to put that dog down, and he refused.  well, on christmas morning while his girlfriend was petting the dog, it got up aggressively and started to approach her.  he put himself in between her and the dog, and the dog proceeded to maul his arm.  it was mess.    all his other chows were a dream, and this one happened to be a head case.  just like people.  

 

I did not know chows had that reputation, but I guess I’m not surprised. ANY big dog can be dangerous to some degree. It brings back a memory. I was at the Salty Dog Cafe on Hilton Head one night (I don’t gamble, but I’d bet you’ve seen one of their T-shirts) when a chow and a big (maybe 90-100lbs) male Golden got into it on the deck between the bar and the marina. It got loud and ugly quickly and people were freaking out. The owners were nowhere in sight at that moment, so I went up behind the Golden, grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and pulled him away. Things immediately de-escalated and it took a few minutes for all the adrenaline, human and canine, to ebb. 

 

Long way to get to the moral of the story: I went with the odds. And admittedly what I was familiar with, but I had no fear that the Golden would turn on me. Hell, he might have been thankful. If he DID turn on me, I was young and had no fear of any Golden. They were not bred to be killers. It’s more than the mentality, how lethal is the weapon? 

 

 

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Edited February 27 by Augie

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Mods won’t shut it down (duplicate threads about a backup QB are no-no, but this thread is fine somehow) and it’s the top topic on this sub-board, so I’ll play along among some brutally ignorant comments. 

 

Pitbull is not actually a breed of dog, it’s an umbrella term that covers 4-5 different breeds. Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier to name a few. 
 

There are also actually 12 “bully” breeds, dogs bred to do the same type as work often stereotyped for Pitts. In the 70-80s, they became popular for blood sports but historically have been used on farms. They are not aggressive by nature, but they are highly protective animals. They are also highly loving, have been referred to as ‘nanny dogs.’ 

 

1 in every 20 dogs in America can classify as a pitbull mix, and it’s the #1 most abused dog in the world. At one shelter, they tested the DNA of their ‘pit bulls’ and found that they actually had less than 50% of the ‘Pitbull’ mix DNA, but they were all still incorrectly labeled as ‘Pitbulls’ (which technically, is always incorrect). Most dogs, I’d wager, are actually muts/mixes. 
 

I get it, the big bad Pitbull leads dog bites (72% of ALL dog attacks are males that are not neutered). When you realize that ‘Pitbull’ is a blanket term that covers 4-5 breeds, of course those numbers are high. These lists don’t compile Sheppard breeds or retrievers, just bull-terrier types. 
 

How about we stop using dogs for security, and get our pets spayed/neutered? You want to cut down on dog bites/attacks, that’s how you do it. 
 

This thread struck a nerve with me, congrats. I think I’ll go wrestle my family ‘pitbulls’ this weekend. 

So any time someone disagrees with you (especially the families of countless disfigured kids and widows/widowers) the thread should be shut down. Common man. 
 

You’ll be fine. Just lend your opinion here and there. No need to close an important topic just because it rubs you the wrong way. Try a “Hot for Teacher” thread. 

[Gugny]

The OP should rename the thread to “The Ultimate Whataboutism Thread.”

 

This discussion WAS about pit bulls. 
 

The statistics are out there and they are real. 
 

They’re a menace to society. 

[Royale with Cheese]

32 minutes ago, Gugny said:

The OP should rename the thread to “The Ultimate Whataboutism Thread.”

 

This discussion WAS about pit bulls. 
 

The statistics are out there and they are real. 
 

They’re a menace to society. 

There probably isn’t a more inaccurate statistic out there.
 

 

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There probably isn’t a more inaccurate statistic out there.
 

 

Studies have shown that the statistics on pitbull attacks are among the most meaningful stats ever recorded.  Generally statistics are hazy at best or just flat out non-sensical.  But unlike climate change, immunization, crime, or even baseball, dog attack statistics have been proven to a 95% confidence interval which is 99.9% likely to be true on the Jauronimo scale.

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

My friends wife just had to have surgery on her finger because her German Shepherd of 8 years attacked her.  It took off about 3/4 of an inch of the tip of the finger.  Tendons were ripped and will be in a cast for awhile.

 

Black Lab.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

 

Golden Retriever

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-6-needed-surgery-after-30866709

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dog-attack-golden-retriever-hamilton-27101856

 

Even Shelter Workers misidentify dogs.

https://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/2016/02/17/dna-studies-reveal-that-shelter-workers-often-mislabel-dogs-as-pit-bulls/

 

 

See this is exciting!

 

The only real words I have to say is that when pits bite they bite as hard as anything else and can tear up someone quick.

 

The little dogs, Jack Russels, Chihuahua, etc are even more annoying. 

[BringBackFergy]

6 hours ago, boyst said:

make a new thread with a poll for this 😁

 

Mrags should stay. 
 

@mrags

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Studies have shown that the statistics on pitbull attacks are among the most meaningful stats ever recorded.  Generally statistics are hazy at best or just flat out non-sensical.  But unlike climate change, immunization, crime, or even baseball, dog attack statistics have been proven to a 95% confidence interval which is 99.9% likely to be true on the Jauronimo scale.

 

Can you show me this?

 

This is my friends dog who I sit for all the time he's out.  His vet lists him as a pitbull.  Everyone calls him a pitbull.  Guess what, not pitbull.  Blue Heeler, Boxer and weimaraner mix.  

 

If this dog attacks anyone, it will be listed as a pitbull and it will contribute to the statistic of pitbulls.  It seems, every unidentified mixed breed is a pitbull.  At least that's what I am seeing.

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

See this is exciting!

 

The only real words I have to say is that when pits bite they bite as hard as anything else and can tear up someone quick.

 

The little dogs, Jack Russels, Chihuahua, etc are even more annoying. 

 

Pits are the only breed that bite hard.  The other big dogs definitely don't.

 

And every big dog that is mixed is a pitbull in America.

[BringBackFergy]

I see a lot of labs and goldens just running up and attacking little dogs. 
 

The arguments in this thread are comical. 

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Can you show me this?

 

This is my friends dog who I sit for all the time he's out.  His vet lists him as a pitbull.  Everyone calls him a pitbull.  Guess what, not pitbull.  Blue Heeler, Boxer and weimaraner mix.  

 

If this dog attacks anyone, it will be listed as a pitbull and it will contribute to the statistic of pitbulls.  It seems, every unidentified mixed breed is a pitbull.  At least that's what I am seeing.

 

Pits are the only breed that bite hard.  The other big dogs definitely don't.

 

And every big dog that is mixed is a pitbull in America.

Just read it again and take some time to ponder.  If you're still interested in the statistics on the reliability of statistics as interpreted through the lens of Jauronimo's truth scale, then I'll make something up and get back to you by Friday.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I see a lot of labs and goldens just running up and attacking little dogs. 
 

The arguments in this thread are comical. 

 

I have been going to dog parks for years and the labs are without a doubt getting in the most fights.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Just read it again and take some time to ponder.  If you're still interested in the statistics on the reliability of statistics as interpreted through the lens of Jauronimo's truth scale, then I'll make something up and get back to you by Friday.

I did read it again and I would like something on my desk by 2:00 pm.

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I have been going to dog parks for years and the labs are without a doubt getting in the most fights.

 

 

 

I did read it again and I would like something on my desk by 2:00 pm.

I trust Jauron on this one.  He is honest 92% of the time he is right.

Edited February 28 by boyst

[SinceThe70s]

I've been following along at home cuz I think this is an interesting topic - and (like most topics) I'm not entrenched in the side I lean towards.

 

I lean towards distrusting the breed - but it's anecdotal, I've never actually witnessed a bad incident.   I have a friend with a pit rescue. He views the dog as a harmless adorable lap dog.  I view it as a dog that has a generally good temperament, but could be better disciplined - but cuz it's a pit I wonder if it'll go off the deep end if it's unhappy. I actually put the dog in it's place a few months ago. My friend thought the dog felt offended, I wondered whether I had crossed it's line  - nothing happened but I do not trust that dog, Very few breeds that I feel that way about.

 

 

[mrags]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Mrags should stay. 
 

@mrags

Man… what did I ever do to you?

[Mr Info]

We don’t have dogs but will post this which was on Jon Stewart’s show Monday evening where he gave an emotional tribute to their family’s long-time brindle pitbull. It’s at the end of the show if you want to view it.

https://www.aol.com/news/jon-stewart-breaks-down-tears-090828740.html?guccounter=1

 

[SoTier]

16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

it's manifested by a rote misunderstanding of genetics and the fact that certain stereotypes of dogs and more specifically their owners plays well in suburbia

 

i encourage you to read this if you're interested in inheritance of behavioral traits in dogs

 

https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.abk0639

 

if you don't they conclude breed is not a reliable predictor of individual behavior

 

I read the summary and then plowed through most of the actual article.  I think this is the key statement from the full article:  "Behavioral factors show high variability within breeds, suggesting that although breed may affect the likelihood of a particular behavior to occur, breed alone is not,contrary to popular belief, informative enough to predict an individual’s disposition."

 

BTW, I think my dog Gibbs might have been part of this study!   When I got his DNA results back, I participated in a voluntary owner survey which asked many questions about behavior, disposition, physical traits, and health.    They used the same little circle format for owner supplied photos as they used in the main article!

 

[LeviF]

47 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

We don’t have dogs but will post this which was on Jon Stewart’s show Monday evening where he gave an emotional tribute to their family’s long-time brindle pitbull. It’s at the end of the show if you want to view it.

https://www.aol.com/news/jon-stewart-breaks-down-tears-090828740.html?guccounter=1

 

 

When Norm got cancer he didn't even tell anyone. Spare me.

17 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

it's manifested by a rote misunderstanding of genetics and the fact that certain stereotypes of dogs and more specifically their owners plays well in suburbia

 

i encourage you to read this if you're interested in inheritance of behavioral traits in dogs

 

https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.abk0639

 

if you don't they conclude breed is not a reliable predictor of individual behavior

 

So in sum delusional pit owners were able to self-report that their dogs were just the sweetest things that would never hurt a fly. Very cool, "science."

[Draconator]

I have a pit bull. My sister-in-law has multiple pit bulls. I grew up around Brittney Spaniels as my dad used to breed them. Brittney's are more aggressive than Pit Bulls.