Pit Bulls are so cuddly!!! Breed more of them.

[teef]

35 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I get it, when I worked for a my vet, I was nearly attacked by a rotty. This 100 pound woman comes in double fisting dog chain link leashes. 85 pound Rottweiler on one, 70 pound husky on the other. The husky was anxious, which got her rotty going and they both started feeding off each other and she wouldn’t/couldn’t control either one. My back was to a wall, I was completely cornered for a split second and the dog lunged at me, sending the woman for a ride the dogs nose made contact with my hand (left a wet spot) meaning he kept his head level, like a shark. Had he turned his head like a t-Rex, he easily would have gotten my hand in his mouth. He would have done considerable damage, and given the high stress situation with the owner and housemate, I have absolutely no doubt the husky would have joined in and the rotty likely would have went at me again. 
 

Somehow the dog missed and I was able to spin through a door, but I tell you my face was complete white and that experience rattled me. 
 

I love dogs, but I trust no dog that I don’t know and I fully trust none other than the 5 that are in my immediate family. Every dog is dangerous, any stranger dog can kill you, a child, or a pet. Stranger danger doesn’t just apply to humans. 
 

 

this is really the best approach for any dog.  my kids are at the age where we're trying to make them very aware that they just cant' wander up to any dog on a whim.  you have to ask, and even then be careful.  we had a young couple that didn't live on our street that would walk their pits.  good owners and nice people.  my daughter asked if she could pet their dogs one day, and her immediate answer was, "no thank you" and she kept walking.  there's a reason for that, and i'll give her credit for being a good owner.

 

and dogs are individuals.  my friend's family has always had chows, and even though they have a history, the dogs were great.  expect for one.  this ***** bit everyone.  it bit me, it bit his dad, grandma, friends, etc.  it was a biter.  repeatedly we told him to put that dog down, and he refused.  well, on christmas morning while his girlfriend was petting the dog, it got up aggressively and started to approach her.  he put himself in between her and the dog, and the dog proceeded to maul his arm.  it was mess.    all his other chows were a dream, and this one happened to be a head case.  just like people.  

[Royale with Cheese]

3 hours ago, boyst said:

make a new thread with a poll for this 😁

it's not fun unless you have a completely embedded and entrenched view that is firm and over the top to a whimsical level. bringing in levelheadedess is boring!

 

My friends wife just had to have surgery on her finger because her German Shepherd of 8 years attacked her.  It took off about 3/4 of an inch of the tip of the finger.  Tendons were ripped and will be in a cast for awhile.

 

Black Lab.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

 

Golden Retriever

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-6-needed-surgery-after-30866709

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dog-attack-golden-retriever-hamilton-27101856

 

Even Shelter Workers misidentify dogs.

https://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/2016/02/17/dna-studies-reveal-that-shelter-workers-often-mislabel-dogs-as-pit-bulls/

 

 

Edited February 27 by Royale with Cheese

[Augie]

48 minutes ago, teef said:

this is really the best approach for any dog.  my kids are at the age where we're trying to make them very aware that they just cant' wander up to any dog on a whim.  you have to ask, and even then be careful.  we had a young couple that didn't live on our street that would walk their pits.  good owners and nice people.  my daughter asked if she could pet their dogs one day, and her immediate answer was, "no thank you" and she kept walking.  there's a reason for that, and i'll give her credit for being a good owner.

 

and dogs are individuals.  my friend's family has always had chows, and even though they have a history, the dogs were great.  expect for one.  this ***** bit everyone.  it bit me, it bit his dad, grandma, friends, etc.  it was a biter.  repeatedly we told him to put that dog down, and he refused.  well, on christmas morning while his girlfriend was petting the dog, it got up aggressively and started to approach her.  he put himself in between her and the dog, and the dog proceeded to maul his arm.  it was mess.    all his other chows were a dream, and this one happened to be a head case.  just like people.  

 

I did not know chows had that reputation, but I guess I’m not surprised. ANY big dog can be dangerous to some degree. It brings back a memory. I was at the Salty Dog Cafe on Hilton Head one night (I don’t gamble, but I’d bet you’ve seen one of their T-shirts) when a chow and a big (maybe 90-100lbs) male Golden got into it on the deck between the bar and the marina. It got loud and ugly quickly and people were freaking out. The owners were nowhere in sight at that moment, so I went up behind the Golden, grabbed him by the scruff of the neck and pulled him away. Things immediately de-escalated and it took a few minutes for all the adrenaline, human and canine, to ebb. 

 

Long way to get to the moral of the story: I went with the odds. And admittedly what I was familiar with, but I had no fear that the Golden would turn on me. Hell, he might have been thankful. If he DID turn on me, I was young and had no fear of any Golden. They were not bred to be killers. It’s more than the mentality, how lethal is the weapon? 

 

 

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Edited February 27 by Augie

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Mods won’t shut it down (duplicate threads about a backup QB are no-no, but this thread is fine somehow) and it’s the top topic on this sub-board, so I’ll play along among some brutally ignorant comments. 

 

Pitbull is not actually a breed of dog, it’s an umbrella term that covers 4-5 different breeds. Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier to name a few. 
 

There are also actually 12 “bully” breeds, dogs bred to do the same type as work often stereotyped for Pitts. In the 70-80s, they became popular for blood sports but historically have been used on farms. They are not aggressive by nature, but they are highly protective animals. They are also highly loving, have been referred to as ‘nanny dogs.’ 

 

1 in every 20 dogs in America can classify as a pitbull mix, and it’s the #1 most abused dog in the world. At one shelter, they tested the DNA of their ‘pit bulls’ and found that they actually had less than 50% of the ‘Pitbull’ mix DNA, but they were all still incorrectly labeled as ‘Pitbulls’ (which technically, is always incorrect). Most dogs, I’d wager, are actually muts/mixes. 
 

I get it, the big bad Pitbull leads dog bites (72% of ALL dog attacks are males that are not neutered). When you realize that ‘Pitbull’ is a blanket term that covers 4-5 breeds, of course those numbers are high. These lists don’t compile Sheppard breeds or retrievers, just bull-terrier types. 
 

How about we stop using dogs for security, and get our pets spayed/neutered? You want to cut down on dog bites/attacks, that’s how you do it. 
 

This thread struck a nerve with me, congrats. I think I’ll go wrestle my family ‘pitbulls’ this weekend. 

So any time someone disagrees with you (especially the families of countless disfigured kids and widows/widowers) the thread should be shut down. Common man. 
 

You’ll be fine. Just lend your opinion here and there. No need to close an important topic just because it rubs you the wrong way. Try a “Hot for Teacher” thread. 

[Gugny]

The OP should rename the thread to “The Ultimate Whataboutism Thread.”

 

This discussion WAS about pit bulls. 
 

The statistics are out there and they are real. 
 

They’re a menace to society. 

[Royale with Cheese]

32 minutes ago, Gugny said:

The OP should rename the thread to “The Ultimate Whataboutism Thread.”

 

This discussion WAS about pit bulls. 
 

The statistics are out there and they are real. 
 

They’re a menace to society. 

There probably isn’t a more inaccurate statistic out there.
 

 

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There probably isn’t a more inaccurate statistic out there.
 

 

Studies have shown that the statistics on pitbull attacks are among the most meaningful stats ever recorded.  Generally statistics are hazy at best or just flat out non-sensical.  But unlike climate change, immunization, crime, or even baseball, dog attack statistics have been proven to a 95% confidence interval which is 99.9% likely to be true on the Jauronimo scale.

[boyst]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

My friends wife just had to have surgery on her finger because her German Shepherd of 8 years attacked her.  It took off about 3/4 of an inch of the tip of the finger.  Tendons were ripped and will be in a cast for awhile.

 

Black Lab.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003849/Boy-3-left-horrific-facial-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

 

Golden Retriever

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-6-needed-surgery-after-30866709

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/dog-attack-golden-retriever-hamilton-27101856

 

Even Shelter Workers misidentify dogs.

https://www.vetmed.ufl.edu/2016/02/17/dna-studies-reveal-that-shelter-workers-often-mislabel-dogs-as-pit-bulls/

 

 

See this is exciting!

 

The only real words I have to say is that when pits bite they bite as hard as anything else and can tear up someone quick.

 

The little dogs, Jack Russels, Chihuahua, etc are even more annoying. 

[BringBackFergy]

6 hours ago, boyst said:

make a new thread with a poll for this 😁

 

Mrags should stay. 
 

@mrags

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Studies have shown that the statistics on pitbull attacks are among the most meaningful stats ever recorded.  Generally statistics are hazy at best or just flat out non-sensical.  But unlike climate change, immunization, crime, or even baseball, dog attack statistics have been proven to a 95% confidence interval which is 99.9% likely to be true on the Jauronimo scale.

 

Can you show me this?

 

This is my friends dog who I sit for all the time he's out.  His vet lists him as a pitbull.  Everyone calls him a pitbull.  Guess what, not pitbull.  Blue Heeler, Boxer and weimaraner mix.  

 

If this dog attacks anyone, it will be listed as a pitbull and it will contribute to the statistic of pitbulls.  It seems, every unidentified mixed breed is a pitbull.  At least that's what I am seeing.

12 minutes ago, boyst said:

See this is exciting!

 

The only real words I have to say is that when pits bite they bite as hard as anything else and can tear up someone quick.

 

The little dogs, Jack Russels, Chihuahua, etc are even more annoying. 

 

Pits are the only breed that bite hard.  The other big dogs definitely don't.

 

And every big dog that is mixed is a pitbull in America.

[BringBackFergy]

I see a lot of labs and goldens just running up and attacking little dogs. 
 

The arguments in this thread are comical. 

[Jauronimo]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Can you show me this?

 

This is my friends dog who I sit for all the time he's out.  His vet lists him as a pitbull.  Everyone calls him a pitbull.  Guess what, not pitbull.  Blue Heeler, Boxer and weimaraner mix.  

 

If this dog attacks anyone, it will be listed as a pitbull and it will contribute to the statistic of pitbulls.  It seems, every unidentified mixed breed is a pitbull.  At least that's what I am seeing.

 

Pits are the only breed that bite hard.  The other big dogs definitely don't.

 

And every big dog that is mixed is a pitbull in America.

Just read it again and take some time to ponder.  If you're still interested in the statistics on the reliability of statistics as interpreted through the lens of Jauronimo's truth scale, then I'll make something up and get back to you by Friday.

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

I see a lot of labs and goldens just running up and attacking little dogs. 
 

The arguments in this thread are comical. 

 

I have been going to dog parks for years and the labs are without a doubt getting in the most fights.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Just read it again and take some time to ponder.  If you're still interested in the statistics on the reliability of statistics as interpreted through the lens of Jauronimo's truth scale, then I'll make something up and get back to you by Friday.

I did read it again and I would like something on my desk by 2:00 pm.

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I have been going to dog parks for years and the labs are without a doubt getting in the most fights.

 

 

 

I did read it again and I would like something on my desk by 2:00 pm.

I trust Jauron on this one.  He is honest 92% of the time he is right.

Edited February 28 by boyst

[SinceThe70s]

I've been following along at home cuz I think this is an interesting topic - and (like most topics) I'm not entrenched in the side I lean towards.

 

I lean towards distrusting the breed - but it's anecdotal, I've never actually witnessed a bad incident.   I have a friend with a pit rescue. He views the dog as a harmless adorable lap dog.  I view it as a dog that has a generally good temperament, but could be better disciplined - but cuz it's a pit I wonder if it'll go off the deep end if it's unhappy. I actually put the dog in it's place a few months ago. My friend thought the dog felt offended, I wondered whether I had crossed it's line  - nothing happened but I do not trust that dog, Very few breeds that I feel that way about.

 

 

[mrags]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Mrags should stay. 
 

@mrags

Man… what did I ever do to you?

[Mr Info]

We don’t have dogs but will post this which was on Jon Stewart’s show Monday evening where he gave an emotional tribute to their family’s long-time brindle pitbull. It’s at the end of the show if you want to view it.

https://www.aol.com/news/jon-stewart-breaks-down-tears-090828740.html?guccounter=1

 

[SoTier]

16 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

it's manifested by a rote misunderstanding of genetics and the fact that certain stereotypes of dogs and more specifically their owners plays well in suburbia

 

i encourage you to read this if you're interested in inheritance of behavioral traits in dogs

 

https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.abk0639

 

if you don't they conclude breed is not a reliable predictor of individual behavior

 

I read the summary and then plowed through most of the actual article.  I think this is the key statement from the full article:  "Behavioral factors show high variability within breeds, suggesting that although breed may affect the likelihood of a particular behavior to occur, breed alone is not,contrary to popular belief, informative enough to predict an individual’s disposition."

 

BTW, I think my dog Gibbs might have been part of this study!   When I got his DNA results back, I participated in a voluntary owner survey which asked many questions about behavior, disposition, physical traits, and health.    They used the same little circle format for owner supplied photos as they used in the main article!

 

[LeviF]

47 minutes ago, Mr Info said:

We don’t have dogs but will post this which was on Jon Stewart’s show Monday evening where he gave an emotional tribute to their family’s long-time brindle pitbull. It’s at the end of the show if you want to view it.

https://www.aol.com/news/jon-stewart-breaks-down-tears-090828740.html?guccounter=1

 

 

When Norm got cancer he didn't even tell anyone. Spare me.

17 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

it's manifested by a rote misunderstanding of genetics and the fact that certain stereotypes of dogs and more specifically their owners plays well in suburbia

 

i encourage you to read this if you're interested in inheritance of behavioral traits in dogs

 

https://www.science.org/doi/epdf/10.1126/science.abk0639

 

if you don't they conclude breed is not a reliable predictor of individual behavior

 

So in sum delusional pit owners were able to self-report that their dogs were just the sweetest things that would never hurt a fly. Very cool, "science."

[Draconator]

I have a pit bull. My sister-in-law has multiple pit bulls. I grew up around Brittney Spaniels as my dad used to breed them. Brittney's are more aggressive than Pit Bulls.