Multiple people shot at KC parade.

[boyst]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Gun don’t know if they are illegal or not. They are inanimate. 

So why ban guns if, as you just posted... Guns are not the problem?!?!?! 🤣

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m a little bit late to the party here do we know if the weapons used were assault weapons?

Any gun used to assault is by definition an assault weapon. If you're referring to how big, black, and shiny the gun then that's not the definition of an assault rifle.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m a little bit late to the party here do we know if the weapons used were assault weapons?

Go ahead and make a guess. Everyone else on here is. 👍

[Reks Ryan]

32 minutes ago, boyst said:

Take the number of death by gun. Remove suicide. The rate drops significantly. Take the amount of crime commited with legally obtained guns. You can break it down even further but it's an ugly wormhole to show all of the problems with the simple "gun culture" argument. 

81% of murders in the US involve a firearm.   55% of suicides in the US involve a firearm.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

 

Of course it's a not a black & white issue.   But easy access to guns = more mass shootings and more murders.

 

BTW, it's the anniversary of the Stoneman Douglas HS shooting in Parkland, FL where my daughter went to HS, and lost friends who were killed. She called me from college, very upset to see what happened today in KC. 

[K-9]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Nice response. Classy 

Right. Like your response to my post, which had NOTHING TO DO with the KC incident and where you try to put words in my mouth, was the epitome of a classy post. 

[Buddy Hix]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

So why ban guns if, as you just posted... Guns are not the problem?!?!?! 🤣

Any gun used to assault is by definition an assault weapon. If you're referring to how big, black, and shiny the gun then that's not the definition of an assault rifle.

More guns, more death. That’s the point you refuse to comprehend.

 

Here’s a peer reviewed study that backs up the correlation.

 

Hepburn, Lisa M., and David Hemenway, “Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature,” Aggression and Violent Behavior 9, no. 4 (2004): 417-440.

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Right. Like your response to my post, which had NOTHING TO DO with the KC incident and where you try to put words in my mouth, was the epitome of a classy post. 

I’m simply asking people to settle down and at least respect the seriousness of the situation for let’s say 24 hours before you and others start debating the Second Amendment. Does that not sound reasonable? Feel free to respond with the F Bomb….again. 

[Seventeen]

You can't fix crazy - just saw some old guy backed into a lady in a Wal-mart parking lot, got out to apologize, and the lady shot him in the face. Now facing murder charges. Deeper background checks and assault weapon bans may help but if the bad guys can't buy guns legally, they'll get them on the black market. Guns have been around for centuries but mass shootings have been on the rise for awhile. Why ?

[K-9]

10 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

That amendment was created back whenever people were carrying around muskets
 

 

I’m not interested in debating the 2nd Amendment. As I’ve said to another poster who took my words out of context hoping to further his own narrative, my reference relates my specific response to what someone said about what we accept about gun culture in America. The majority of us accept the 2nd Amendment while at the same time favoring sensible gun law legislation. Again, I cite Scalia’s opinion in Heller as what the majority of Americans favor as the polls have shown again and again. 

[boyst]

9 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said:

More guns, more death. That’s the point you refuse to comprehend.

 

Here’s a peer reviewed study that backs up the correlation.

 

Hepburn, Lisa M., and David Hemenway, “Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature,” Aggression and Violent Behavior 9, no. 4 (2004): 417-440.

 

 

Take those numbers. Dig deeper. When you take death by firearms then remove suicide the number drops dramatically. Someone above claimed more die by guns than car accidents. Which, including suicide looks possible by all metrics. Remove suicide by gun you're cutting out over half of those killed by gun.  Then break it down to who owns guns legally and committed a homicide vs illegal firearms possession commiting homicides.

 

You can go even further. But, when you get to some of the basics of these metrics you'll find about 2% of all reported deaths by gun are from legally owned and not criminally involved, to put it mildly.

[Bockeye]

Almost 250 years since citizens took up arms against Britain in the Revolutionary war.  
 

Just over a year since Ukrainian citizens took up arms against a Russian invasion. 
 

About 5 months since Israeli citizens took up arms against Hamas terrrorists. 
 

About 91 years ago, Hitler began disarming the population, which quickly targeted the Jews.

 

Cars kill millions of people a year, shall we take those away or are they needed and serve a useful purpose?

Edited February 15 by Bockeye

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m simply asking people to settle down and at least respect the seriousness of the situation for let’s say 24 hours before you and others start debating the Second Amendment. Does that not sound reasonable? Feel free to respond with the F Bomb….again. 

I never came close to debating the 2nd Amendment in my response to the poster about accepting gun culture in America. You misinterpreted that all on your own.
 

And if you’re really interested in all of us settling down, perhaps you could have just stated that in your initial response. But because you weren’t settled down when you read and misinterpreted my post, you chose to come out swinging with condescending crap about what I’ve determined about what happened in KC instead. 

 

Have a nice evening.

[SoCal Deek]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I’m not interested in debating the 2nd Amendment. As I’ve said to another poster who took my words out of context hoping to further his own narrative, my reference relates my specific response to what someone said about what we accept about gun culture in America. The majority of us accept the 2nd Amendment while at the same time favoring sensible gun law legislation. Again, I cite Scalia’s opinion in Heller as what the majority of Americans favor as the polls have shown again and again. 

Dude! I have no agenda. Simmer down. 

[Reks Ryan]

6 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

Guns have been around for centuries but mass shootings have been on the rise for awhile. Why ?

Part of the reason why, is that it's contagious.  The more mass shootings that happen and the more they're publicized, makes it more likely to put the idea in the head of the next maniac.    If  there was no incidence or news of mass shootings in the USA for the next 10 years, the chances of one happening in year 11 would be a lot less than it happening next week, while news is fresh.  Ex.  Columbine helped lead to many more school shootings. 

 

Also firearm technology has improved over the years, which is a factor in making the incidents more deadly

[Goin Breakdown]

1 hour ago, Buddy Hix said:

Majority of Americans accept their gun culture. Nothing more needs to be said.

This is not an argument to what you're saying. I just think the majority of Americans aren't going out and shooting people. There's perspective to be had. It's a hot topic I get it but we cant attack people on either side of the argument because of the small

Percentage of idiots that exist on both sides. (Not saying you are)

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Bills!Win! said:

They’re all there to celebrate the same thing. How can gun violence be involved? I just don’t get it 

people across all neighborhoods, demographics and disagreeing camps coming together in a crowd. 
 

$5 says it’s not a random fight but two guys with ugly history and not enough sense to skip acting on it in a crowd.

[Meatloaf63]

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

really?  I find that kind of hard to believe.

It’s true, shocking, but true…

26 minutes ago, Seventeen said:

You can't fix crazy - just saw some old guy backed into a lady in a Wal-mart parking lot, got out to apologize, and the lady shot him in the face. Now facing murder charges. Deeper background checks and assault weapon bans may help but if the bad guys can't buy guns legally, they'll get them on the black market. Guns have been around for centuries but mass shootings have been on the rise for awhile. Why ?

Unchecked Mental illness and a disregard for the sanctity of human life. We can discuss that in another forum…

[Bob Jones]

33 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I’m a little bit late to the party here do we know if the weapons used were assault weapons?

Just read a story on this at a KC tv stations website, and it had no definitive info on the weapon used, but I highly doubt that a AR15 was used due to the simple fact that NINE children were shot and none of them died. I would guess that it was at the other end of the gun chain, like a .22 caliber. Just guessing though...

[soflabillsfan1]

People used to sleep with their doors unblocked and buy guns through the mail without any background search.  Now we live in a society where they have to lock up hand lotion at CVS and babies get shot with stray bullets, sleeping in their cribs.  What "progress" we've made.

[Goin Breakdown]

You know out of all of this, I want y'all to know I truly appreciate you all and wish nothing but happiness and safe keeping. Even if we all can get snarky and disagree on Bills topics we are all humans and valuable and deserving of love and respect. I appreciate you all. 

Edited February 15 by Goin Breakdown

[Heels20X6]

23 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Almost 250 years since citizens took up arms against Britain in the Revolutionary war.  
 

Just over a year since Ukrainian citizens took up arms against a Russian invasion. 
 

About 5 months since Israeli citizens took up arms against Hamas terrrorists. 
 

About 91 years ago, Hitler began disarming the population, which quickly targeted the Jews.

 

Cars kill millions of people a year, shall we take those away or are they needed and serve a useful purpose?

 

As someone who is not American, why is the only option on the table "take away ALL THE GUNS"?  Most people just want some sensible gun legislation that at least TRIES to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them while allowing those who abide by the law the right to carry them as per the 2nd amendment. 

 

There were gun laws before, most have been repealed.  I just don't get it.

Edited February 15 by Heels20X6
punctuation

[juno999]

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

people across all neighborhoods, demographics and disagreeing camps coming together in a crowd. 
 

$5 says it’s not a random fight but two guys with ugly history and not enough sense to skip acting on it in a crowd.

I was wondering if it might be gang related.  No info.  Just a guess.

[Bob Jones]

4 hours ago, Billl said:

We just have to make sure not to go crazy and actually do anything to prevent it from ever happening again.  

I mean, unless there were absolutely ZERO guns in all of the United States (impossible at this point), then preventing it from "ever happening again" is impossible at an outside event like this, where hundreds of thousands of people are there. Sadly, bad and/or mentally ill people are pretty much everywhere, and no one knows for sure when one of these people will strike.

[NoSaint]

Just now, juno999 said:

I was wondering if it might be gang related.  No info.  Just a guess.

Honestly it’s wild speculation but in the realm of “the whole city descended on one event” outcomes- that two groups like that ran into each other and things went sideways is relatively common. 
 

It feels like it should be unifying but there’s often folks that otherwise wouldn’t/shouldn’t see each other that suddenly are in the same space unexpectedly 

[Billl]

2 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

I mean, unless there were absolutely ZERO guns in all of the United States (impossible at this point), then preventing it from "ever happening again" is impossible at an outside event like this, where hundreds of thousands of people are there. Sadly, bad and/or mentally ill people are pretty much everywhere, and no one knows for sure when one of these people will strike.

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527

 

On a side note, I watched the parade from the parking lot of Bob Jones shoes in Kansas City.

[Seventeen]

30 minutes ago, Reks Ryan said:

Part of the reason why, is that it's contagious.  The more mass shootings that happen and the more they're publicized, makes it more likely to put the idea in the head of the next maniac.    If  there was no incidence or news of mass shootings in the USA for the next 10 years, the chances of one happening in year 11 would be a lot less than it happening next week, while news is fresh.  Ex.  Columbine helped lead to many more school shootings. 

 

Also firearm technology has improved over the years, which is a factor in making the incidents more deadly

 

It's likely a combination of factors including mental illness, availability of firearms, social media, feelings of persecution or wanting to belong, revenge, no perception of the consequences, lack of respect for the sanctity of human life, politicization, etc. No easy solution.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Thoughts and prayers and no discussion about gun regulation because it is too soon.

So sad for a community that just wants to celebrate.  

 

[SCBills]

More gun control is not to be taken seriously when it’s championed by those that vote for politicians who don’t enforce existing laws. 
 

What they advocate for is more gun control for mothers and fathers that want to protect their family. 
 

We have a society in decline and we are awash in guns.

 

Gun violence is a symptom of the deeper cause.  But no one wants to dig deeper because that would require actual introspection as a society and we’re conditioned to fix everything with band-aids. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 15 by SCBills

[nedboy7]

55 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m simply asking people to settle down and at least respect the seriousness of the situation for let’s say 24 hours before you and others start debating the Second Amendment. Does that not sound reasonable? Feel free to respond with the F Bomb….again. 

Settle down man. 

[nedboy7]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

More gun control is not to be taken seriously when it’s championed by those that vote for politicians who don’t enforce existing laws. 
 

What they advocate for is more gun control for mothers and fathers that want to protect their family. 
 

We have a society in decline and we are awash in guns.

 

Gun violence is a symptom of the deeper cause.  But no one wants to dig deeper because that would require actual introspection as a society and we’re conditioned to fix everything with band-aids. 

 

 

 

 

 

Sensible gun laws would take guns away from moms and dads?   What I don’t get in this country is just because the party you vote for has some idiotic policies the other side defends their idiotic policies. Making the entire country idiotic. 
 

@stevens273 you seem to dislike lots on here.  Share w us your wisdom. 

Edited February 15 by nedboy7

[klos63]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Take the number of death by gun. Remove suicide. The rate drops significantly. Take the amount of crime commited with legally obtained guns. You can break it down even further but it's an ugly wormhole to show all of the problems with the simple "gun culture" argument. 

And... Folks wonder why no one takes arguments about this seriously. A legitimate question was asked and is often asked without a reasonable response.

Why do you think we have so much more gun violence in this country compared to almost every other developed nation?

And why remove suicide? You don't see that as a tragedy for the family ? 

 

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Please don’t close this thread. 
Allow us to discuss this. 
There are critically injured children. Go USA 🇺🇸 

 

[Augie]

 

So, this is going about as expected. 

 

It’s tragic. I wish we could give it a bit more time before getting “there”, but I’m not surprised. 

[Bob Jones]

18 minutes ago, Billl said:

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819576527

 

On a side note, I watched the parade from the parking lot of Bob Jones shoes in Kansas City.

The story at that link from 10 years ago is supposedly satire, but it is actually straight out truth. With as many guns as we now have in this country, there's absolutely no way to take them all away from everybody. Plus, ya know, it's actually a right (#2 in the Bill of Rights) to own a gun, granted to all of us by our Constitution.

 

And we already have pretty good "gun laws" all over this land too, and ironically, in cities with very strict gun laws (like Chicago), it doesn’t deter criminals from using guns, at all.

 

So again, at an OUTSIDE event, spread over a large, non-contained area, with hundreds of thousands of people there, it is absolutely impossible to prevent something like this, unless there were no guns in this country. But then, I'm sure if some nutcase really wanted to hurt people, he would just use a knife, or a vehicle (WI parade), or some other weapon.

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Sensible gun laws would take guns away from moms and dads?   What I don’t get in this country is just because the party you vote for has some idiotic policies the other side defends their idiotic policies. Making the entire country idiotic. 

We have sensible gun laws.  They’re not enforced.  
 

Criminals illegally obtain guns.. shocking, I know. 
 

For those that legally do … Precursors to violent behavior that would flag gun purchases don’t arise when politicians don’t enforce basic laws.  
 

Mental health & SSRI’s are not a conversation we, as a nation, want to have right now. 
 

Therefore, in a country awash in guns, we have a gun violence epidemic.  
 

Let’s see who these suspects are, and what their criminal records may be.  Let’s see if they obtained these guns legally or illegally.   Because in most of these cases, new laws wouldn’t have stopped it… especially when the gun control advocates keep voting for people who don’t enforce laws to begin with. 
 

Edited February 15 by SCBills

[klos63]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m simply asking people to settle down and at least respect the seriousness of the situation for let’s say 24 hours before you and others start debating the Second Amendment. Does that not sound reasonable? Feel free to respond with the F Bomb….again. 

There will be more shootings in the next 24 hours,  so we need to wait another 24 and so on... nothing will ever get discussed with that logic. 

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

We have sensible gun laws.  They’re not enforced.  
 

Criminals illegally obtain guns.. shocking, I know. 
 

For those that legally do … Precursors to violent behavior that would flag gun purchases don’t arise when politicians don’t enforce basic laws.  
 

Mental health & SSRI’s are not a conversation we, as a nation, want to have right now. 
 

Therefore, in a country awash in guns, we have a gun violence epidemic.  
 

Let’s see who these suspects are, and what their criminal records may be.  Let’s see if they obtained these guns legally or illegally.   Because in most of these cases, new laws wouldn’t have stopped it… especially when the gun control advocates keep voting for people who don’t enforce laws to begin with. 
 

Which laws are not enforced that would prevent shootings?

 

 

[nedboy7]

13 minutes ago, SCBills said:

We have sensible gun laws.  They’re not enforced.  
 

Criminals illegally obtain guns.. shocking, I know. 
 

For those that legally do … Precursors to violent behavior that would flag gun purchases don’t arise when politicians don’t enforce basic laws.  
 

Mental health & SSRI’s are not a conversation we, as a nation, want to have right now. 
 

Therefore, in a country awash in guns, we have a gun violence epidemic.  
 

Let’s see who these suspects are, and what their criminal records may be.  Let’s see if they obtained these guns legally or illegally.   Because in most of these cases, new laws wouldn’t have stopped it… especially when the gun control advocates keep voting for people who don’t enforce laws to begin with. 
 

What laws that are sensible are not enforced?  I agree w the insane SSRI use in this country.  You seem to be stuck on lack of liberal law enforcement in general as a reason to not have gun control?  Not sure I get your reasoning. 
BTW conservative counties have just as much gun violence if not more.  

Edited February 15 by nedboy7

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, Prospector said:

love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, fidelity

Treat your neighbor as yourself

 

you guys are right, terrible ideas to conform to

Uhh….

   Have you seen what passes for a large chunk of “ Religious” people today?

   What you listed are incredibly noble and worthwhile virtues….. not a one of which requires the belief in superstition or supernatural beings.

 

[oldmanfan]

Yet another sickening tragedy.  For those claiming it is solely a mental health issue as some politicians do, then here’s what I want to see:  a bill to increase mental health care.  Let’s see a bill that dedicates billions to recruitment and training of more mental health care professionals, more trained school counselors, more intervention.  If not then I don’t want to hear a damn word from any of those hypocrites.

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Uhh….

   Have you seen what passes for a large chunk of “ Religious” people today?

   What you listed are incredibly noble and worthwhile virtues….. not a one of which requires the belief in superstition or supernatural beings.

 

So your argument is that because bad humans are religious then religion is bad?

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, klos63 said:

 

Which laws are not enforced that would prevent shootings?

 

 

John Doe is 16 years old. 
 

Commits a violent crime as a juvenile.  Judge is lenient and record is wiped when John Doe turns 18. 
 

John Doe jumps someone and is arrested at 18.  Pleads down to a misdemeanor. 
 

John Doe steals from a store.  Arrested.   Back out on the street.   Does it again. Arrested.  Back on the street. 
 

Should this person have legal access to a firearm? 
 

No. They shouldn’t.  But we elect people in these areas that feel, for whatever reason, that they need saving and let them slide through, unflagged in the registry … until the day they legally obtain a firearm and kill someone. 
 

People typically tell you who they are.  They usually don’t go from strait laced choir boy to staying strapped and taking a life. 
 

Or they do get flagged and illegally obtain a gun. 
 

Or they have mental health issues that go unchecked and/or medicated… and we, as a society, have no idea how to deal with the fact half this country is under chemical control.