Allen was legendary (even better than 13 seconds Allen)

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

Those were good decisions if we were down by two scores. We weren’t. He should have taken higher percentage shots that would have moved the chains, sustained drives and kept the Chiefs off the field. 

 

Wanting the QB to choose a higher percentage shot is NOT the same thing as hero ball. For example, A 5 yard pass may be a lower percentage shot than throwing a 1 yard pass to the RB, but that doesn’t mean that throwing the 5 yard pass is therefore “hero ball”. Allen never played hero ball tonight. At any point. Ever.

 

Second - on two of the deep throws, they WERE the highest percentage shot. The receiver was open and everyone else was blanketed.

 

Third - on the 2nd and 9 play, Diggs was a higher percentage shot, but you take the endzone when you have it. Why? Because you don’t know if you’ll ever get that wide open of a receiver in the endzone again. For example, what if Allen hits Diggs and we get the first down, then the next play the pass gets tipped by a WR and it’s INT’ed? Or Cook fumbles the ball? Or we get a holding penalty that crushes our chances of scoring a TD since it’s now 20 yards for a first down? You take the endzone shot when you have a guy wide open in the endzone.

[DapperCam]

42 minutes ago, butch rolle said:

I find it so hard to put into words how I feel about Josh.  He is simply the best thing that has ever happened to this franchise.  At the same time, if I'm being objective, Mahomes is the better quarterback.  How do you argue with the body of work at this point?

 

Yet if you ask me if I do a straight up quarterback swap with the Chiefs, I'd say no way.  I want the bills to win the Lombardi but I want it to be with Josh!

Mahomes is in such a better situation it’s impossible to compare. Even though they had similar stats tonight, Mahomes barely looked like he broke a sweat. Throws were to open players, and when he made a couple contested passes on the first drive of the 2nd half, his receivers made the plays. One of his TDs was a complete wide open gift on a busted coverage. He was barely pressured, and when he was it was the only time the Chiefs had to punt.

 

Even his big scramble was him waddling down the sideline half-speed behind a blocker escorting him.

 

Compare to Allen, where he is constantly escaping pressure, making big runs, and delivering difficulty throws all over the field that his WRs drop. And it isn’t about not taking the “easy stuff”. Most of his passes were behind the line of scrimmage tonight.

 

The difference to me, is that Reid is 20x whatever offensive coaches we have.

[vanislebills44]

initially i was all over the miss 2 diggs on 2nd n 9, 2nd thought, shakir was open...should allen have shifted right?? maybe..did he c jones coming??.but common sense says take 7 if its there...hindsight now says quick snap 2 diggs

[Thrivefourfive]

He really is a monster in December and the playoffs. 
 

I’ve been setting up this team up as being better than the 2021 team. I included many variables, including this teams memories of the 21 team losing in Arrowhead. In claiming this was our best shot, I looked at our opponents and the venues. 
 

We blew it. To me, this is worse then 13 seconds. At least 13 seconds ended with being favored the next season to win the Super Bowl and stomping the defending champs at home in the season opener, like the 91 Bills after wide right. But that all fell apart tragically. 
 

44 yards carries with it all the ghosts of Billsies past, and therefore each and every Billsy in the future will burn much deeper than the last [Billsy].
 

Edited January 22 by Thrivefourfive

[90sBills]

3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

So?

 

0-3 against Mahomes in the playoffs … will hear it a thousand times 

Still got those regular season wins against KC so that’s pretty cool. Some people were so proud of those that they’d thought this would be an easy win. 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

Still got those regular season wins against KC so that’s pretty cool. Some people were so proud of those that they’d thought this would be an easy win. 

He can’t catch the ball for Diggs or Sherfield or kick the ball for Tyler bass his team around him sucks 

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Those were good decisions if we were down by two scores. We weren’t. He should have taken higher percentage shots that would have moved the chains, sustained drives and kept the Chiefs off the field. 

You want him to checkdown every play? You can always trade him in the off season for a Brock Purdy I’m sure the niners would do that trade in a second 

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

You know you’re in a Bills forum when there is an 8 page topic on what game JA played better in out of two losses. 

 

I'm going to lose sleep finding Jim Kelly’s best lost games 😂 
 

 

Which one do you want to choose the field goal miss to the giants or the second beating from the cowboys? 

[chongli]

 

 

[Mikie2times]

27 minutes ago, chongli said:

 

 

We need to score a TD on that last drive right? He’s a HOF QB and we need a TD in that spot. 

[BananaB]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

The problem is Allen has to be Superman, play out of his mind, AND make every read and every throw, plus run the ball, and not miss guys or turn it over.

 

Even then, it might not be good enough. 

 

Tonight he got hit while throwing and missed Shakir at the end. So he wasn't absolutely perfect. Even if he was, it might not have been enough.

 

Tonight he dropped a 50+ yard moonball right into Diggs hands and he drops it. 

 

 

It really is at the point in order for the the Bills to win a Championship Allen has to be beyond perfect which is impossible 

1 hour ago, chongli said:

 

 

Shouldn’t that be a knock on the defence? I mean we all watched the games it ain’t the O that is letting this team down in the playoffs it’s the defense 

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, BananaB said:

It really is at the point in order for the the Bills to win a Championship Allen has to be beyond perfect which is impossible 

Shouldn’t that be a knock on the defence? I mean we all watched the games it ain’t the O that is letting this team down in the playoffs it’s the defense 

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

[Governor]

I’m not surprised Allen went to the end zone because Diggs had just dropped the last pass (maybe 2?)thrown to him. He couldn’t catch anything all night.

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

So it’s Allen’s fault Dawkins got pushed into him well delivering what would have been a go ahead pass. Right🙄

 

Watch the game for over again, Allen played exactly  how people on this board have  been ranting about all year long. He took everything they gave, he ran when needed and he was on target when he took his chances down field. 11 guys on the field, more then just Allen gotta do their ***** job. 

 

If the WRs did the job earlier that drive ain’t even talked about.  We had 3 40 yard passes hit our WRs in the second half and not one made a catch. 
 

 

Edited January 22 by BananaB

[UKBillFan]

8 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Asking Allen to finish off that last drive would be basically par for the course with what is required to be a Super Bowl winning team. He had under 200 yards and was asked to deliver an efficient game plan which he did. I don’t see what we asked or expected out of Josh in this one that was unreasonable. Perhaps another 30 spot which is basically the status quo for this teams last game of the year.

 

I still feel Josh could have done better on the final drive but, excluding that, he was basically the offense last night. He had very little support other than Kincaid early on. In comparison, Mahomes didn't have to look far for help.

[Mikie2times]

13 minutes ago, BananaB said:

So it’s Allen’s fault Dawkins got pushed into him well delivering what would have been a go ahead pass. Right🙄

 

Watch the game for over again, Allen played exactly  how people on this board have  been ranting about all year long. He took everything they gave, he ran when needed and he was on target when he took his chances down field. 11 guys on the field, more then just Allen gotta do their ***** job. 

 

If the WRs did the job earlier that drive ain’t even talked about.  We had 3 40 yard passes hit our WRs in the second half and not one made a catch. 
 

 

I never said it was Allen’s fault. I said asking Allen to close out a final drive is not anything that hasn’t been asked by Mahomes, Brady, and every other Super Bowl champion in NFL history. People are acting as if we put some unmanageable burden on Josh in this game. Not at all the case. The poor defensive performance increased that burden but he still nearly got it done with 200 yards passing and most that damage behind the line of scrimmage. 

Edited January 22 by Mikie2times

[JerseyBills]

My thing is , we came out on fire on O, 2 possessions,  10 points, Allen looked phenomenal 

 

Rest of game 14 points

 

Them 1st 2 drives were awesome 

[BananaB]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

I never said it was Allen’s fault. I said asking Allen to close out a final drive is not anything that hasn’t been asked by Mahomes, Brady, and every other Super Bowl champion in NFL history. People are acting as if we put some

unmanageable burden on Josh in this game. Not at all the case. The poor defensive performance increased that burden but he still nearly got it done with 200 yards passing and most that damage behind the line of scrimmage. 

Brady and Mahomes get help from their teammates to make plays. Look at the catch by MVS. Look at the easy TD to Kelce…. Ask Dawkins why he couldn’t hold his ***** block longer? There is your answer why Allen didn’t deliver on the final drive. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

My thing is , we came out on fire on O, 2 possessions,  10 points, Allen looked phenomenal 

 

Rest of game 14 points

 

Them 1st 2 drives were awesome 

Stalled drives by WRs not catching the ball. Plain and simple. They adjusted to stop our run and Bills continued to try to pound it making moving the chains harder

[Mikie2times]

Just now, BananaB said:

Brady and Mahomes get help from their teammates to make plays. Look at the catch by MVS. Look at the easy TD to Kelce…. Ask Dawkins why he couldn’t hold his ***** block longer? There is your answer why Allen didn’t deliver on the final drive. 
 

 

My point was can we not act like we asked Josh to go thru child birth because we needed a TD late in a game in the postseason? It’s basically mandatory if you want to win it.

[BananaB]

Just now, Mikie2times said:

My point was can we not act like we asked Josh to go thru child birth because we needed a TD late in a game in the postseason? It’s basically mandatory if you want to win it.

But only mandatory for him, not the other 10 guys on the field.  
 

The play was there, the WR was open, the blocking did not hold up. 
 

After that I think Allen knew ahead of time on third down if he didn’t move the chains McD was kicking a FG. Is what it is. More then just Allen gotta make a play

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, Gugny said:

Allen unnecessarily went into hero ball mode. 
 

More than anything else, I think that is why we lost. 

Again. His decision making very late was bad. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, BananaB said:

But only mandatory for him, not the other 10 guys on the field.  
 

The play was there, the WR was open, the blocking did not hold up. 
 

After that I think Allen knew ahead of time on third down if he didn’t move the chains McD was kicking a FG. Is what it is. More then just Allen gotta make a play

 

Shakir didn't quite get through the coverage quick enough to uncover either. Which gave Jones an extra split second to get there. Didn't quite hold the block long enough. Didn't quite uncover quickly enough. Didn't quite make the throw. 

 

We didn't quite execute. The play was there to make. Collectively as an offense they didn't make it.

 

I thought Josh rushed his decision making a bit on the 3rd down. Kurt Warner's point the other week that sometimes he just speeds his own process up to his detriment. If they had even got that to say 4th and 5 I think they'd have gone for it. Had to try and make the kick on 4th and 9. And then the kicker missed a very makeable kick. 

 

There was lots that went right and lots that went wrong in the preceeding 58 minutes. But right the game ultimately was right there for us and we couldn't quite make that one play. It wasn't an individual failure and this is not a game where there is one obvious person to blame. Ultimately it was two good teams who played a high quality game and in the end the Chiefs made one more play than we did. The last 4 games between us have come down to 13 second, Taron's interception, Toney's foot and then that today. The games always come down to the end. It becomes who can just make that one extra play. Unfortunately it was not us.

[stosh64]

6 hours ago, Man with No Name said:

i have no issue with sherfield's drop. diggs on the other hand, he gets paid to make those plays. 

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Trent Sherfield signed a 1 year, $1,770,000 contract with the Buffalo Bills, including a $300,000 signing bonus, $750,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $1,770,000.  Spotrac

I have BIG issues with Sherfield and his pathetic season, was the 2 mil for his charity or something?.  We now only have 1 WR in Shakir.  Beane missed big time at WR this past offseason.  I blame him for yet again neglecting to help Josh enough.  Imagine if he would of signed DeAndre Hopkins. 

[BananaB]

13 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

I have BIG issues with Sherfield and his pathetic season, was the 2 mil for his charity or something?.  We now only have 1 WR in Shakir.  Beane missed big time at WR this past offseason.  I blame him for yet again neglecting to help Josh enough.  Imagine if he would have signed DeAndre Hopkins. 

Back to back years Beane whiffed at the WR position

[The Jokeman]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I thought he was perfect until the last drive. Which I thought was his worst drive of the night even before the last two throws. Did the mental pressure get to him? Not sure. But he felt rushed all drive and it wasn't 'cos of tons of pocket pressure. However, he was not the reason we lost.

 

But what I take away from this game more than anything (other than Bass is done) is that they need more explosive players on the outside. They struggled to get chunk plays all night and that wasn't on Josh. Sherfield dropped two and while not easy Diggs should do better on the one that goes through his arms too. 

 

Shakir had a nice game, Kincaid had a nice game, and but for the drop in the redzone (which didn't end up hurting) so did Cook. But it's okay dinking, dunking and running with tight ends, slot receivers and backs.... until at the end there where you need a play and KC is gonna defend the endzone. That is where you need more explosive outside guys to win a 1 on 1. They have to get aggressive in chasing that. Man having Jordan Addison on our team woulda made that drive look different. 

Having Addison means no Kincaid and to me Kincaid is more valuable because of the production and position he plays.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

Having Addison means no Kincaid and to me Kincaid is more valuable because of the production and position he plays.

I expect Kincaid to produce massive numbers next year. That was an A++ pick 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Having Addison means no Kincaid and to me Kincaid is more valuable because of the production and position he plays.

 

I like Kincaid a lot. But I think an outside guy with speed is more valuable. Hopefully we find one in April and have both as cornerstones of the 2nd era Allen offense with Khalil Shakir.

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

We need to score a TD on that last drive right? He’s a HOF QB and we need a TD in that spot. 

When Allen lost to Burrow last year know how many yards passing Burrow had in the second half the week before against the Ravens? 30. It’s the team not him 

[Neo]

If you have two open receivers and two throws you can make, you choose the throw to the end zone.   Everytime.  Every situation.  Allen was bumped as he threw.   The pass was incomplete.   Calling this boneheaded or hero ball puts you in the category of the national talking heads who picked up phrases three years ago and haven’t paid attention since.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

1 hour ago, Governor said:

I’m not surprised Allen went to the end zone because Diggs had just dropped the last pass (maybe 2?)thrown to him. He couldn’t catch anything all night.

Or basically the last half of the season. I can’t even remember his last td. 

[Matt_In_NH]

7 points in the second half yesterday.  13 seconds he threw two tds in the last two minutes.  Why is this thread still going?   It’s like the Klein covering kelce of threads.  

[Buffalo Boy]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

Allen was absolutely legendary tonight. Ran when he should have. Passed when he should have. Took the check down when he should have. He was darn near PERFECT.

 

67%, 258 total yards, 3 TD’s, 0 INT.

 

And against a top 5 Chiefs defense that was mostly healthy, unlike our mash unit.

 

Had Diggs and Sherfield played the game with NFL receiver hands, Allen would have had close to 400 yards of offense by himself.

 

And I don’t want to hear jack squat about his throw to the endzone on 2nd and 9. Allen had two good options on that play;

 

1) Shakir open in the endzone.

2) Diggs open on the crosser.

 

He chose Shakir, who had made several great catches during the game, over Diggs who had 2 drops during the game.

 

If Chris Jones didn’t push Dawkins into Allen’s side as he threw it, that would have been Allen’s 4th TD of the game.

 

Why do I believe he was better tonight that in the 13 seconds game? In that game, Allen by and large took advantage of the Chiefs falling over each other. Numerous slips and blown coverages. In this game, Allen was methodical tonight. 

 

Golfers clap👏

Marino called: “But you still have the wrong Head coach. “ 

[UKBillFan]

5 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

7 points in the second half yesterday.  13 seconds he threw two tds in the last two minutes.  Why is this thread still going?   It’s like the Klein covering kelce of threads.  

As great as he was during the 13 seconds game, the Chiefs were a mess defensively, tripping over themselves as Einstein said, and he had support from the rest of the offense through the game. How many drops were there during 13 seconds? And last night? Arguably, he was a key component during 13 seconds but not the be all and end all. Last night, bar Kincaid early on, he had to do everything.

 

Having slept on it, I’m in two minds about the final drive, but can see why he threw deep. It’s a shame that’s going to detract what he did for through the rest of the game.

[zow2]

The fact that Josh has to do SO MUCH for this team to be in position to win, it worries me.   It's not sustainable for him to run like this and smash his body around and finish the season.  We got fortunate he didn't get injured this year and miss time.  KC and Mahomes at one point at 8 chunk plays to zero for Buf.  Mahomes makes good decisions in the pocket and throws accurately downfield...and of course last night his receivers decided to catch everything.  The Bills had to work so much harder to complete passes,,, and of course the WRs came up so small.

[Man with No Name]

1 hour ago, stosh64 said:

I have BIG issues with Sherfield and his pathetic season, was the 2 mil for his charity or something?.  We now only have 1 WR in Shakir.  Beane missed big time at WR this past offseason.  I blame him for yet again neglecting to help Josh enough.  Imagine if he would of signed DeAndre Hopkins. 

Sherfield is what you get when you go BARGAIN hunting and spend 1.7 million. that is reclamation project money. 

[peterpan]

8 hours ago, Gugny said:

Allen unnecessarily went into hero ball mode. 
 

More than anything else, I think that is why we lost. 

You’re embarrassing yourself 

[Billsfanatic8989]

I don't understand how we keep beating them in the season. Yet, they keep beating us in the postseason. It boggles my mind. Only conclusion I come up with is one coach is made for postseason ball. Another...is not.

 

But no, Allen didn't get it done when it mattered most. Not all on him though. Team game.

 

 

Edited January 22 by Billsfanatic8989

[RobbRiddick]

2 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I don't understand how we keep beating them in thebseason. Yet, they keep beating us in the postseason. It boggles my mind. 

 

But no, Allen didn't get it done when it mattered most. Not all on him though. Team game.

 

 

Everything goes up a notch, injuries are more key and coaching really needs to go up a notch in the postseason because the pressure is up. Andy Reid owns McD in the playoffs.

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 minute ago, RobbRiddick said:

Everything goes up a notch, injuries are more key and coaching really needs to go up a notch in the postseason because the pressure is up. Andy Reid owns McD in the playoffs.

Yep. 

 

My fear is they won't get rid of the HC here until Allen hits a decline. 

 

We will be a middle of the pack team. Probably win a few more division titles. Win a playoff game against some tomato can like Pittsburgh. Follow it up by losing to a team with a better HC. 

 

So, middle of the draft picks. A HC that does enough to get to the postseason but do nothing. An owner unwilling to pull the trigger. 

[WNYFAN1]

Legendary? Come on, seriously?

[zow2]

11 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said:

I don't understand how we keep beating them in the season. Yet, they keep beating us in the postseason. It boggles my mind. Only conclusion I come up with is one coach is made for postseason ball. Another...is not.

 

But no, Allen didn't get it done when it mattered most. Not all on him though. Team game.

 

 

 

Pacheco was huge and didn't play in the regular season matchup.  Plus Mahomes is obviously a GREAT QB, throws on point and the receivers caught everything last night.  AT one point they had 8 chunk plays to our zero. KC's defense, while solid, got pushed around last night but they got some stops when needed.  And lucky with the Bass miss which may have only prolonged our agony another couple mins.