RyanC883 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, DC Greg said: Not sure if you've seen some the Stand Your Ground defenses that have worked down there and in other states, but many juries in Florida have very, very loosely interpreted what constitutes "threatened with deadly force". Yeah, we all seem to think from the details of this case it's a straight up cold blooded murder, but I thought that in some other cases and the killer got off with Stand Your Ground. People seem to have wildly differing views on what constitutes a "deadly threat" and what justifies someone in killing that person to "protect themselves" with a firearm. A few examples: https://www.propublica.org/article/five-stand-your-ground-cases-you-should-know-about your source is a bit biased. Most aren't from Florida, and one of the 5 is from a state without a "stand your ground" law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Seventeen said: Sure thing boss - this type of thing never happens anywhere else. Has a bills fan ever murdered an opposing fan after a game? Florida people are ummm different. The culture they're fostering especially in South Florida is embarrassing. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Previous thread on this was removed. There were also two sites which were non-professional made sites one which was copying other sites for content and many tags to try to being GoFundMe site found more often on search sites; they are gone. Initial site stated he was from Buffalo but he is from Hollywood, Florida. Somebody was trying to amp donations. Today there is article on CBS News: Vehicle from Sunday's deadly shooting near Hard Rock Stadium found https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/vehicle-from-sundays-deadly-shooting-near-hard-rock-stadium-found/ Quote According to the GoFundMe Page, Isaac, who was a Buffalo fan, was walking through traffic with friends after the Bills' win and got into an argument with a man who tried to hit them with his vehicle. When the man tried to drive off, Isaac and company reportedly went after him. That's when the man stopped, got out, and shot Issacs, according to the GoFundMe page. On Isaac's Facebook page, it said he was from Brantford, Ontario, and was living in Hollywood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 With the location of the vehicle, a suspect will soon be named. I always felt it was just a matter of time before some gun nut ruined the tailgating experience with a mass shooting. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perk71 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 🙏🏼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 This is horrible and senseless…. It’s football …. Entertainment not life or death. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 RIP Dylan. Such a tragedy. This crap happens too much in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said: Has a bills fan ever murdered an opposing fan after a game? Florida people are ummm different. The culture they're fostering especially in South Florida is embarrassing. How do you know the shooter was from Florida ? S. Fla has a ton of transplants as well as immigrants. We're hearing now that the shooting had nothing to do with the game and more to do with road rage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 34 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Yeah, there were crowds all over that area. Given authorities have located the vehicle, should just be a matter of time before this criminal is behind bars, and hopefully for a long time. The only silver lining is Florida has Capital Punishment and they do use it in situations such as this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Seventeen said: How do you know the shooter was from Florida ? S. Fla has a ton of transplants as well as immigrants. We're hearing now that the shooting had nothing to do with the game and more to do with road rage. OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Sad to see NOTHING on Fins message board about this. Not surprised. Classless fan base. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, BuffaloBill said: OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. Right. Whether the person is angry because the Dolphins lost, they’re stuck in traffic, both, or whatever else, clearly the person has anger issues and mental health problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 24 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. Huh ? Never OK to kill anyone for any reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 56 minutes ago, Beast said: You don’t have a defense for murder when someone is touching your vehicle. Cripes. Agreed, but reading about some of the crazy cases where people have gotten away with murder in stand your ground states, it shows that there is never a sure thing. Often depends on the personal beliefs of the jury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, DC Greg said: Not sure if you've seen some the Stand Your Ground defenses that have worked down there and in other states, but many juries in Florida have very, very loosely interpreted what constitutes "threatened with deadly force". Yeah, we all seem to think from the details of this case it's a straight up cold blooded murder, but I thought that in some other cases and the killer got off with Stand Your Ground. People seem to have wildly differing views on what constitutes a "deadly threat" and what justifies someone in killing that person to "protect themselves" with a firearm. A few examples: https://www.propublica.org/article/five-stand-your-ground-cases-you-should-know-about "The law removes a person’s duty to retreat before using deadly force against another in any place he has the legal right to be – so long as he reasonably believed he or someone else faced imminent death or great bodily harm". The shooter can't make this argument vs an unarmed pedestrian. It's road rage--as simple and tragic as that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 56 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: your source is a bit biased. Most aren't from Florida, and one of the 5 is from a state without a "stand your ground" law. It's a law very similar to SYG. Splitting hairs on that. Not sure how you think the source is biased. It just lists 5 cases and strictly the facts of what each case was and the result. Those 5 are just a sampling. I mean if you want to argue that those are aberrations from the statistical norm or something, that's an argument. But that doesn't make the cases listed in that article untrue. There's also a lot more information available to you with a quick google search on other cases where people were shot while running away, shot when there wasn't an imminent threat to the killer's life, etc. 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: "The law removes a person’s duty to retreat before using deadly force against another in any place he has the legal right to be – so long as he reasonably believed he or someone else faced imminent death or great bodily harm". The shooter can't make this argument vs an unarmed pedestrian. It's road rage--as simple and tragic as that is. Yeah I agree it probably wouldn't fly in this case. But what you are highlighting has also been disregarded by juries in other SYG cases. There are times when people were shot while fleeing, and they still made arguments like "well they could have turned around and come back, so their life was still in danger" to let the killer off. It happens unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubanmist 1 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Miami is just a conglomerate of good people morons, gangsters, uneducated, hypocrites, drunks, and racists. Went to a Dolphins game once to see the Bills and it will be the last time! I almost got into a fight in the “family” section!! 2 drunks (dolphins fans) were harassing a family, Bills fans, and I intervened. It was scary due to my family and I being seated up high, but I wasn’t going to punk out. Thankfully, security came to the rescue. Now, Jacksonville is a better stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Understood, my comment was in reply to @WhitewalkerInPhilly It's tragic and senseless and could have happened anywhere, that was my point. Yup. And I realized that I was inappropriate. Again, my apologies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Truly, truly awful. RIP to the victim, may his family eventually find peace in the middle of this senselessness, and perp(s) be brought to the light of day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Sad. The level of violence in this country is very disturbing!!! 3 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 57 minutes ago, Seventeen said: How do you know the shooter was from Florida ? S. Fla has a ton of transplants as well as immigrants. We're hearing now that the shooting had nothing to do with the game and more to do with road rage. I think its funny that theyre trying to say it wasnt related to the game. Surely the NFL would want to push that narrative. Lets be serious ...It happened right after the game. The murderer surely saw the victim wearing bills clothing. I'd be shocked if it wasn't a miami fan that committed the crime. I think it's curious they haven't released any info on the suspect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The quote below by the victims aunt leads me to believe the murder was related to the game. "It was a senseless act," Skye said. "They just didn't want [the driver] hurting anybody else. It was just a game. It's a sport that's supposed to be you know, it's competitive, but there's no room for violence." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninSarasota Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 27 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Yup. And I realized that I was inappropriate. Again, my apologies. Really good of you to say that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Really good of you to say that. I appreciate that. If someone does some post necromancy and wants to roast me fine, I deserve it. I made a bad choice and I'll live with it. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Utterly sad and senseless. Prayers and peace to the family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Moral of the story: Keep yourself out of unnecessary arguments and confrontations. Everybody and their mother is potentially carrying and many who carry are looking for a chance to shoot. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 29 minutes ago, RevWarRifleman said: Sad. The level of violence in this country is very disturbing!!! I mean over a damn football game? Too much youth that has no damn discipline,and grew up in fantasy land playing COD, that think its ok to pull a weapon and start shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: This should be way bigger news, the headlines on all the morning sports shows, and pinned to the top of this board. This garbage has to stop. It's just football. Bad PR for the NFL, no way they are screaming this from the rooftops. Might negatively effect ticket sales. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 52 minutes ago, DC Greg said: Agreed, but reading about some of the crazy cases where people have gotten away with murder in stand your ground states, it shows that there is never a sure thing. Often depends on the personal beliefs of the jury. He will probably argue he felt threatened when him and friends went after him in vehicle. Abandoning vehicle does not help his case unless he claimed he felt they would find vehicle somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Man, between this, and the Bills fan getting the crap beat out of him by a Cowboys fan a few weeks ago… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 This is now starting to pop up on the national news and we will likely start to hear the national outcry soon. Will be helpful in getting the perpetrators caught. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 h e a r t b r e a k i n g 💔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phxbacker Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Perp would have to prove he was being threatened with "deadly force" to make that case. not happening. Agreed! Not sure they can claim being threatened when they get out of a car to shoot him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, DC Greg said: Agreed, but reading about some of the crazy cases where people have gotten away with murder in stand your ground states, it shows that there is never a sure thing. Often depends on the personal beliefs of the jury. Long time FL resident here. The only way this would ever be considered a SYG case is if the victim here was reaching into the vehicle, like through an open window, and actively trying to pull a person out of the vehicle, and that person being pulled out drew his weapon and started shooting because he was in fear of his life. And even in the latter scenario, that’d *maybe* work for the shooter. At this point, WE don’t know what happened (in here), but I think there are probably eyewitnesses who saw exactly what happened, since there were thousands of people nearby. If the shooter was just upset, and got out of his car over heated words being exchanged, it’s gonna be 2nd degree murder at a minimum. I’m quite certain that the victim would not have been armed with any weapons if he had just come out of the stadium. It’s a terrible tragedy for that family though; he seemed like a decent young man just out enjoying life. Once again we are all reminded that the only guarantees in life are death and taxes. Cherish every day, and hold your loved ones close. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: I mean over a damn football game? Too much youth that has no damn discipline,and grew up in fantasy land playing COD, that think its ok to pull a weapon and start shooting. Got that right SBF. This "gun happy" country, where FAR too many people have access to firearms and therefore, they think that the only justice when they don't like something/or somebody, then that's a just reason that they should be shot. Sick! It's very sick! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadOTC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Somehow i'm not surprised by this. I've been to a few NFL games in my life, and the Dolphins fans around us at that game were the worst I have ever experienced. Guys were screaming obscenities at the little kids in front of us wearing Bills jerseys through the whole game. On the drive out of the lot we had 4 or 5 groups of guys yelling at us and threatening to fight us just because we were wearing Bills gear. People really suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: OK …. Somehow road rage is a better basis to kill someone? The whole premise is off. Aaaannnnnndddddd.. How do we know he wasn't a pissed of Fins fan? 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: He will probably argue he felt threatened when him and friends went after him in vehicle. Abandoning vehicle does not help his case unless he claimed he felt they would find vehicle somehow. Yeah. So when he realized that there were people running after him while he was driving his car, he felt it best to stop, get out of the car, and then shoot the person he felt threatened by 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Moral of the story: Keep yourself out of unnecessary arguments and confrontations. Everybody and their mother is potentially carrying and many who carry are looking for a chance to shoot. Wise words though I disagree 100 percent with the last half of your last sentence. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its Allen the hips Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Appreciate the updates in the replies. I updated the main post with the additional details such as the car being found. It’s incredible how many walks of life makeup this fan base. Pancho and now Dylan I’ll always keep in my thoughts when thinking about the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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