Bills Cap Breakdown by Greg Tompsett

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So many fans don’t understand age catches up quickly. If you restructure Diggs you’re locked in until age 33+. Not many WRs produce at that age.
 

Either keep him on his current structure for a year so he can groom his replacement we draft this year or move on completely in the offseason.

Restructing 30+ year old non qbs is bad for business.

 

 

There are some non-QB players who have played well past 30 including linemen, defense line and kickers.  Each one needs to be evaluate critically.

[FireChans]

30 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Extending isn't a fix-all. People seem to think it is (because it creates a year or two of cap relief followed by crushing cap burden) but it just creates a new contract with even more money (current market rates). For example, the Chiefs extended Mahomes a couple months ago to create cap space for 2023, but it made $240M in cap due over the next 4 years. Which will then have to be restructured, creating $320M in cap burden, but they have space to push it because he has a 12 year contract.

Fans seem to have this idea that you can just extend and "poof" problem fixed .. if that were the case every team would give gargantuan contracts to free agents to get them to the city and then constantly restructure them until they retire. Just not how it works.

How did the Saints sign Derek Carr in the offeseason to a franchise QB contract when they were supposed to be $100M over the cap.

[Einstein]

Just now, FireChans said:

How did the Saints sign Derek Carr in the offeseason to a franchise QB contract when they were supposed to be $100M over the cap.

 

They pushed $110M into the future (aka, it will be due soon) and they got their all-pro retiring QB to not take the $25M he was due. 

 

They didn’t fix the problem. They delayed it. And got a gift from Brees.

[BarleyNY]

10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Greg Tompsett is making the podcast rounds in the bye week this week and talking cap.

 

Gave a pretty detailed plan on Cover1 and showed how the Bills could get themselves to about $72M UNDER the cap. Or $56M under without anything too crazy.

 

Worth watching, or at least clicking around through, for anyone concerned with our cap situation next year.

 

 

He was also on Locked On Bills to discuss our Free Agents and re-signing options

 

 

As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M...

 

No Brainers - Cap Saved

Restructure Josh - $23M

Restructure Diggs - $13M

Restructure Ed - $3M

Release Hines - $5M

Release Harty - $4M

Total - $48M

Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER.

 

Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings

Extend Dawkins - $7M

Extend Douglas - $6M

Extend Johnson - $5M

Release Siran Neal - $3M

Release Sam Martin - $1M

Restructure McGovern - $3M

With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER

 

Painful but Possible - Cap Savings

Release Poyer - $5.5M

Release Tre - $6M

Bills now $56M UNDER

 

Prefer Not - Cap Savings

Restructure Milano - $2.5M

Restructure Knox - $6M

Trade Elam - $165k

Release Bates - $1.5M

Release Morse - $5.5M

Bills now $72M UNDER

 

I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth.

 

 

 

The cap is not a myth, it’s just that most people do t understand how it works. Many just look at the bottom line number for next season and nothing else so their understanding is very incomplete. 

 

I think it is worth looking a little deeper into Tompsett’s work. Let’s take the $56M under point. The Bills would have 33 players under contract - 9 of whom play on the OL. Our roster would be:

 

QB -Allen

RB - Cook

FB - Gilliam

WR - Diggs, Shakir, Shorter

TE - Knox, Kincaid, Davidson

OT - Dawkins, Brown, Doyle, Van Demark, Anderson

OG - McGovern, Torrence, Bates

C - Morse

 

DE - Rousseau, Miller, Jonathan

DT - Oliver 

LB - Milano, Bernard, Williams, Spector

CB - Douglas, Elam, Benford, Johnson

S - Hamlin

K - Bass

P -

LS - Ferguson

 

There is a lot of work to be done there to field a competitive team. Even with kicking the bigger cap hits down the road on the bigger FA signings we will have to spend wisely and get at least a little lucky. 

[GunnerBill]

55 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Right and every bit of money restructured is immediately paid.

 

Every time Allen is restructured to the tune of $20+ million, his cap hit the following seasons balloon. when you have a very long contract, like Mahomes, this is easy peasy. That’s why Veach brags about Mahomes 12 year deal.

 

But Allen’s deal is half as long. Which is going to become a problem. He is worth every penny - don’t get me wrong - but it’s still something that will have to be accounted for.

 

Yea but they will extend Josh. And Mahomes will get a new deal or a chunk of new money after this year despite being tied up for longer. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Release Morse... definitely!! Trading Diggs....out of the question

So you want to keep him until the bitter end? I don’t think that’s smart. 

[Mango]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I have been saying this.  Just a few years ago the saints were 100 mill over the cap and got under.

He isn't addressing a post June 1st cut of Von.  No way Von can stay.

Getting under and managing the cap well are two different things.

 

New Orleans is projected to be $87M over the cap for 2024. They’re continuously kicking the can down the road and they still suck. They’ve been in this loop of trying to keep the party going with old players and expensive contracts forever. For me NO is a great case study on what not to do. 
 

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2024/

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So you want to keep him until the bitter end? I don’t think that’s smart. 

 

Yes, he deserves to retire as a Bill, and there's nothing bitter about it.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yes, he deserves to retire as a Bill, and there's nothing bitter about it.

I still wouldn’t restructure his contract this offseason. It’s just bad business restructuring 30+ year old deal. 

[Einstein]

15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea but they will extend Josh. And Mahomes will get a new deal or a chunk of new money after this year despite being tied up for longer. 

What happens to prorated guaranteed money from a previous contract with an extension? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

31 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

There are some non-QB players who have played well past 30 including linemen, defense line and kickers.  Each one needs to be evaluate critically.

We have to replace Diggs with a cheaper option soon. It’s what happens. Josh will have multiple WR1’s over his career. I don’t want to have a $20+ million WR at age 32-33 as our WR1.

You can’t do business with your heart.

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Marcus Aurelius]

Watched it. Really thorough analysis.

[DrDawkinstein]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I still wouldn’t restructure his contract this offseason. It’s just bad business restructuring 30+ year old deal. 

 

I dont disagree with that.

 

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

We have to replace Diggs with a cheaper option soon. It’s what happens. Josh will have multiple WR1’s over his career. I don’t want to have a $20+ million WR at age 32-33 as our WR1.

You can’t do business with your heart.

 

 

That is why it's crucial to draft our next WR1 in this draft. Then we have a 1WR on a cheap rookie deal throughout the 4 years left on Diggs' contract. Then you are paying a total of about $30M for TWO 1WRs.

 

Bonus if we snag a WR in the 1st and have that 5th year option as a cheap year the year Diggs is gone.

[H2o]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Extending isn't a fix-all. People seem to think it is (because it creates a year or two of cap relief followed by crushing cap burden) but it just creates a new contract with even more money (current market rates). For example, the Chiefs extended Mahomes a couple months ago to create cap space for 2023, but it made $240M in cap due over the next 4 years. Which will then have to be restructured, creating $320M in cap burden, but they have space to push it because he has a 12 year contract.

Fans seem to have this idea that you can just extend and "poof" problem fixed .. if that were the case every team would give gargantuan contracts to free agents to get them to the city and then constantly restructure them until they retire. Just not how it works.

Beane is fairly smart working the cap. I'm sure he'll add enough years and enough $$$ to where the ramifications aren't detrimental to the team's long term plans.  

[billieve420]

At some point team will have to bite the bullet and move on from some of these aging players. If they miss the playoffs I would start this offseason and go for a mini rebuild while trying to field competitive team. I think this group had their shot at the Super Bowl and may have missed their window.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

What happens to prorated guaranteed money from a previous contract with an extension? 

 

You can restructure it and spread it on the new deal. You have to account for it. But so long as there is a way to kick it you can kick it down the extension. 

[hondo in seattle]

If the cap was a myth, I think Pegula would have dumped a bunch of money into the Bills bank account and let Beane go on a shopping spree that would have included better offensive linemen, receivers, DBs, etc.  The reason we don't have the best roster in the NFL is because Beane does have a cap and doesn't manage it quite as well as some other GMs. 

 

Restructuring is kicking the can down the road.  It solves short-term problems but becomes problematic later.  

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

If the cap was a myth, I think Pegula would have dumped a bunch of money into the Bills bank account and let Beane go on a shopping spree that would have included better offensive linemen, receivers, DBs, etc.  The reason we don't have the best roster in the NFL is because Beane does have a cap and doesn't manage it quite as well as some other GMs. 

 

Restructuring is kicking the can down the road.  It solves short-term problems but becomes problematic later.  

 

Restructuring IS Pegula dumping a bunch of money into the bank account. When you restructure and convert base salary to guaranteed money, the owner has to cut a check for that guaranteed amount at that time. It doesnt come out of the normal cap bucket paid for by revenue. Every restructure we pull IS Pegula dumping cash into the team so Beane can go sign other players.

 

 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Restructuring IS Pegula dumping a bunch of money into the bank account. When you restructure and convert base salary to guaranteed money, the owner has to cut a check for that guaranteed amount at that time. It doesnt come out of the normal cap bucket paid for by revenue. Every restructure we pull IS Pegula dumping cash into the team so Beane can go sign other players.

 

 

 

His point was that if extending a contract that was restructured numerous times was a fix all then the only restraint on teams is the owners willingness to spend mash amounts of cash.

 

And he’s correct 

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

They pushed $110M into the future (aka, it will be due soon) and they got their all-pro retiring QB to not take the $25M he was due. 

 

They didn’t fix the problem. They delayed it. And got a gift from Brees.

if they can still sign marquee free agents and spend their cap, what is the problem, exactly?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

Restructuring is kicking the can down the road.  It solves short-term problems but becomes problematic later.  

 

It is but if those players end up playing on that 'can' money it is actually a way of buying cap space. Because $10m now in 2023 against a $228m cap is more expensive than $10m in 2025 when the projections are the cap will be somewhere between $265-280m. With an ever escalating cap accounting more money later is good financial sense not just a way to buy now and pay later. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by GunnerBill

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It is but if those players end up playing on that 'can' money it is actually a way of buying cap space. Because $10m now in 2023 against a $228m cap is more expensive than $10m in 2025 when the projections are the cap will be somewhere between $265-280m. With an ever escalating cap accounting more money later is good financial sense not just a way to buy now and pay later. 

We saw this with the Saints for years. They’ve been in “cap hell” for 14 years.

 

They still sign big FA’s. They still pay their premium players. And that’s with Brees retiring!
 

If there’s some short term pain when Josh Allen retires, and we can still be flexible and acquire good players and spend our cap basically until then, there is no problem. 

[Desert Bills Fan]

Interesting look at the Bills UFAs in 2024:

Player                    Position.  Age.    2023 AAV.  

Micah Hyde.          FS.           32.9.  $9,625,000

DaQuan Jones.      DT.           31.9.  $7,000,000

Leonard Floyd.       OLB.         31.2.  $7,000,000

Tim Settle.              DT.           26.3.  $4,500,000

Jordan Phillips.      DE.            31.2.  $3,000,000

Tyler Matakevich.  ILB.           30.9.  $2,500,000

Poona Ford.            DE.           28.0.  $2,250,000

Tyrel Dodson.         ILB.           25.4.   $2,010,000

Dane Jackson.       CB.           27.0.    $2,010,000

Trent Sherfield.     WR.           27.8.    $1,770,000

Damien Harris.      RB.            26.8.    $1,770,000

Taylor Rapp.          S.              25.9.    $1,770,000

David Edwards.     G.              26.7.     $1,770,000

A.J. Epenesa.         DE.           25.2.     $1,469,325

Shaq Lawson.        DE.            29.4.    $1,317,500

Latavius Murray.    RB.            33.8.    $1,317,500

Kyle Allen.              QB.            27.7.     $1,232,500

Cam Lewis.            CB.            26.6.     $1,185,000

Germain Ifedi.        RT.             29.5.     $1,165,000

Gabriel Davis.        WR.             24.7.     $998,595

Quintin Morris.       TE.              24.8.     $787,500 -ERFA-

 

[Solomon Grundy]

11 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So you want to keep him until the bitter end? I don’t think that’s smart. 

Josh needs a known weapon. We aren't sure if any of these prospects will pan out, let alone produce from day one. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

4 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Interesting look at the Bills UFAs in 2024:

Player                    Position.  Age.    2023 AAV.  

Micah Hyde.          FS.           32.9.  $9,625,000

DaQuan Jones.      DT.           31.9.  $7,000,000

Leonard Floyd.       OLB.         31.2.  $7,000,000

Tim Settle.              DT.           26.3.  $4,500,000

Jordan Phillips.      DE.            31.2.  $3,000,000

Tyler Matakevich.  ILB.           30.9.  $2,500,000

Poona Ford.            DE.           28.0.  $2,250,000

Tyrel Dodson.         ILB.           25.4.   $2,010,000

Dane Jackson.       CB.           27.0.    $2,010,000

Trent Sherfield.     WR.           27.8.    $1,770,000

Damien Harris.      RB.            26.8.    $1,770,000

Taylor Rapp.          S.              25.9.    $1,770,000

David Edwards.     G.              26.7.     $1,770,000

A.J. Epenesa.         DE.           25.2.     $1,469,325

Shaq Lawson.        DE.            29.4.    $1,317,500

Latavius Murray.    RB.            33.8.    $1,317,500

Kyle Allen.              QB.            27.7.     $1,232,500

Cam Lewis.            CB.            26.6.     $1,185,000

Germain Ifedi.        RT.             29.5.     $1,165,000

Gabriel Davis.        WR.             24.7.     $998,595

Quintin Morris.       TE.              24.8.     $787,500 -ERFA-

 

Out of that list maybe the only one I want back is Floyd.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

9 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Josh needs a known weapon. We aren't sure if any of these prospects will pan out, let alone produce from day one. 

Went to Spotrac and looked at everyone’s FA WRs.

 

Its Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman Jr as ready made top end weapons.

 

Mike Evans is also a FA, but there is a lot of mileage on those tires. 
 

After those guys, it’d be a lot of mid to low tier projections of guys that you would be trying to squeeze more out of. 
 

Edited December 7, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[LABILLBACKER]

41 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Out of that list maybe the only one I want back is Floyd.

You gotta re-sign Floyd, Jones & maybe? AJE.  The rest I could care less.

[LABILLBACKER]

22 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Went to Spotrac and looked at everyone’s FA WRs.

 

Its Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman Jr as ready made top end weapons.

 

Mike Evans is also a FA, but there is a lot of mileage on those tires. 
 

After those guys, I’d be a lot of mid to low tier projections of guys that you would be trying to squeeze more out of. 

Evans is literally the same age as Diggs. He's got a garbage qb throwing to him and yet he's managed 10 TD's and a 60% catch rate.  I'd sign him in a heartbeat on a reasonable deal to pair with Diggs.  Then draft Odunze. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 12/6/2023 at 12:55 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

So many fans don’t understand age catches up quickly. If you restructure Diggs you’re locked in until age 33+. Not many WRs produce at that age.
 

Either keep him on his current structure for a year so he can groom his replacement we draft this year or move on completely in the offseason.

Restructing 30+ year old non qbs is bad for business.

 

I agree with one caveat:  Diggs is a WR who generally avoids big hits, and he’s not reliant on pure speed, which gives him an opportunity to extend his productivity by a couple seasons. 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

11 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Interesting look at the Bills UFAs in 2024:

Player                    Position.  Age.    2023 AAV.  

Micah Hyde.          FS.           32.9.  $9,625,000

DaQuan Jones.      DT.           31.9.  $7,000,000

Leonard Floyd.       OLB.         31.2.  $7,000,000

Tim Settle.              DT.           26.3.  $4,500,000

Jordan Phillips.      DE.            31.2.  $3,000,000

Tyler Matakevich.  ILB.           30.9.  $2,500,000

Poona Ford.            DE.           28.0.  $2,250,000

Tyrel Dodson.         ILB.           25.4.   $2,010,000

Dane Jackson.       CB.           27.0.    $2,010,000

Trent Sherfield.     WR.           27.8.    $1,770,000

Damien Harris.      RB.            26.8.    $1,770,000

Taylor Rapp.          S.              25.9.    $1,770,000

David Edwards.     G.              26.7.     $1,770,000

A.J. Epenesa.         DE.           25.2.     $1,469,325

Shaq Lawson.        DE.            29.4.    $1,317,500

Latavius Murray.    RB.            33.8.    $1,317,500

Kyle Allen.              QB.            27.7.     $1,232,500

Cam Lewis.            CB.            26.6.     $1,185,000

Germain Ifedi.        RT.             29.5.     $1,165,000

Gabriel Davis.        WR.             24.7.     $998,595

Quintin Morris.       TE.              24.8.     $787,500 -ERFA-

 

I mean, this is who I want back. 
 

The problem is that we have numerous holes that are going to need to be filled. 
 

Certain positions may warrant spending a little cheddar (DE2, DT2, WR2), and I am hopeful Beane can find ways to replace guys with cost controlled draft picks or stop gap free agents at others (CB3, LB3, S2, IOL3)

[NastyNateSoldiers]

On 12/5/2023 at 11:27 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Greg Tompsett is making the podcast rounds in the bye week this week and talking cap.

 

Gave a pretty detailed plan on Cover1 and showed how the Bills could get themselves to about $72M UNDER the cap. Or $56M under without anything too crazy.

 

Worth watching, or at least clicking around through, for anyone concerned with our cap situation next year.

 

 

He was also on Locked On Bills to discuss our Free Agents and re-signing options

 

 

As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M...

 

No Brainers - Cap Saved

Restructure Josh - $23M

Restructure Diggs - $13M

Restructure Ed - $3M

Release Hines - $5M

Release Harty - $4M

Total - $48M

Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER.

 

Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings

Extend Dawkins - $7M

Extend Douglas - $6M

Extend Johnson - $5M

Release Siran Neal - $3M

Release Sam Martin - $1M

Restructure McGovern - $3M

With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER

 

Painful but Possible - Cap Savings

Release Poyer - $5.5M

Release Tre - $6M

Bills now $56M UNDER

 

Prefer Not - Cap Savings

Restructure Milano - $2.5M

Restructure Knox - $6M

Trade Elam - $165k

Release Bates - $1.5M

Release Morse - $5.5M

Bills now $72M UNDER

 

I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth.

 

 

Bills need to take there cap medicine so to speak next yr . Do enough just to get under the cap for the draft and to sign some minimum salary free agents to fill out the roster. I don’t trust Beane anymore with building this team and don’t want to see him continue to kick the can down the road for a team that’s getting older. We need a mini reset and if that means relying on the draft and signing more undrafted players so be it.

 

I hope McBeane gets fired and we hire a new GM/Coach to rebuild this team. The Bills have no identity we neither have a physical or mental identity as a team we’re not fast we’re not big we’re not aggressive we’re not an intelligent team . This all starts at the top so new ideas need to be brought in to fix this mess that McBeane has made. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Evans is literally the same age as Diggs. He's got a garbage qb throwing to him and yet he's managed 10 TD's and a 60% catch rate.  I'd sign him in a heartbeat on a reasonable deal to pair with Diggs.  Then draft Odunze. 

Good point on Evans/Diggs age and love the idea to pair him with Odunze.

 

 

[finn]

On 12/6/2023 at 12:15 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Release Morse, get younger at the position.

Creed Humphrey should be available in the second round. We'd get an All-Pro on a rookie contract.

/s

[BarleyNY]

24 minutes ago, finn said:

Creed Humphrey should be available in the second round. We'd get an All-Pro on a rookie contract.

/s

 

I have dreamt of an OL with Torrence and Dawand Jones on the right side. Now I am adding Humphrey at C to that dream OL. What could have been…..

Edited December 7, 2023 by BarleyNY

[Thurman#1]

On 12/6/2023 at 1:27 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Greg Tompsett is making the podcast rounds in the bye week this week and talking cap.

 

Gave a pretty detailed plan on Cover1 and showed how the Bills could get themselves to about $72M UNDER the cap. Or $56M under without anything too crazy.

 

Worth watching, or at least clicking around through, for anyone concerned with our cap situation next year.

 

 

He was also on Locked On Bills to discuss our Free Agents and re-signing options

 

 

As a little preview, the detailed plan to get to $72M...

 

No Brainers - Cap Saved

Restructure Josh - $23M

Restructure Diggs - $13M

Restructure Ed - $3M

Release Hines - $5M

Release Harty - $4M

Total - $48M

Being $29M OVER cap right now, these moves alone put us $19M UNDER.

 

Tompsett's Preferred/Likely Moves - Cap Savings

Extend Dawkins - $7M

Extend Douglas - $6M

Extend Johnson - $5M

Release Siran Neal - $3M

Release Sam Martin - $1M

Restructure McGovern - $3M

With these moves added to the above, the Bills would be $44M UNDER

 

Painful but Possible - Cap Savings

Release Poyer - $5.5M

Release Tre - $6M

Bills now $56M UNDER

 

Prefer Not - Cap Savings

Restructure Milano - $2.5M

Restructure Knox - $6M

Trade Elam - $165k

Release Bates - $1.5M

Release Morse - $5.5M

Bills now $72M UNDER

 

I type all that to once again reiterate, the cap is a myth.

 

 

 

 

You're not really using these numbers the way he talked about it. The cap is anything but a myth, and Tompsett helps make that clear. The specifics of those numbers are expressed much better this way:

 

"This top bucket of 'absolute-must-dos,' I think all of these are going to happen. They immediately get us from $29M in the hole to $19M in cap space. We even debated that a good chunk of these preferred/likely ones are probably going to happen, and [if all of them were done] that gets us to $45M." - Tompsett

 

Again, he says a good chunk of them are going to happen. If all of them happened, it'd put us at $45M but that's unlikely. Instead, "a good chunk of them" could happen. "I think a lot of that is going to happen." Meaning those won't likely get us to $45M but maybe somewhere close.

 

"And then down here there's another $28M floating around in things that I'd prefer not to do, but they absolutely can do."

 

He talks about his purpose here, saying "Hopefully this shows you that there's a lot of options out there and fans should not be anxious about it looking like $29M over the cap. We're going to be just fine. It's all depending on which one of these they want to do."

 

So, using the $72M as anything but a theoretically possible milestone is a bit disingenuous. He isn't even saying they'll get to $56M. $45M is the number he's talking about getting near. After that there are bunch of options, options he doesn't really like. Some of which may happen, but maybe not.

 

As an example, he talks about the option of getting rid of Poyer and saving around $6M, but then says that replacing him would probably cost more than the money you save by cutting him.

 

There's a lot of that here, particularly further down the list. Make some of these moves and you then leave a hole you have to fill, which will then cost money.

 

Just getting to $44M, for instance, you'd then have to replace Sam Martin and Siran Neil and would have around 35 guys on the roster, having lost guys like DaQuan Jones, Leonard Floyd, Poona Ford, Dane Jackson,  Taylor Rapp, Latavius Murray, Micah Hyde and a bunch more.

 

The cap is very very real. It's flexible within limits. But real. And restrictive.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Thurman#1

[Buffalo_Stampede]

14 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Josh needs a known weapon. We aren't sure if any of these prospects will pan out, let alone produce from day one. 

$24 million in cap space is a lot to spend on a younger weapon when we choose to separate from Diggs. Just saying. Holding on to Diggs too long could bite us in the end.

4 hours ago, finn said:

Creed Humphrey should be available in the second round. We'd get an All-Pro on a rookie contract.

/s

The guy the Ravens took after we drafted Elam also.

Edited December 7, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[MJS]

On 12/5/2023 at 11:56 PM, TampaBillsJunkie said:

Thanks for posting. A good topic to dive into. We are not in cap hell, but certainly not as flexible as we would like.  The DL is going to be an issue and we need to spend some money there.  It will be an interesting off-season if we don't make a serious playoff run.  I like most of the moves they discussed, but we do need to find ourselves a reliable #2 WR. I just hope we pull this season together and finish strong. It's been so disappointing so far. 

Seems pretty flexible to me.

[DrDawkinstein]

On 12/7/2023 at 11:56 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

$24 million in cap space is a lot to spend on a younger weapon when we choose to separate from Diggs. Just saying. Holding on to Diggs too long could bite us in the end.

 

 

Given Diggs' age and remaining contract, there is no reason he shouldnt play it out and finish his career here in Buffalo as the next Bill to get into the Hall of Fame.

 

Especially if we take a WR in the 1st next year. We'll be getting two WR1s for the price of one, and as Diggs' contract ends in 4 years, have the 5th year option on the new guy to give us even more cap space in 2028.

[finn]

On 12/6/2023 at 7:29 AM, SoonerBillsFan said:

I have been saying this.  Just a few years ago the saints were 100 mill over the cap and got under.

He isn't addressing a post June 1st cut of Von.  No way Von can stay.

Von will be a tough call. It comes down to whether he's worth the $7 million in savings they'd get if they cut him; the rest of his salary is guaranteed. He's just taking up a roster spot at this point, but it's possible he return to form next year. Tre White is another tough one, could depend on whether Elam develops. The only easy cut is Harty, who just catches punts and falls down. Sounds like Hines will be back, so at least we'll have someone to return kickoffs. 

 

I would not restructure Diggs until it's more clear what is up with him. 

[Charles Romes]

Don’t they need to sign Brown. If he is a mid level starting tackle, what is that, about 8 per?