<bills4life> Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Beane is an enigma. Some claim he is a wizard. Others say he has missed out a lot on early round draft picks, has bad contracts, and now has aging and oft injured players on defense. I’m curious to see what others think. What say you? 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 He’s been bad. Really bad. cap situation is a disaster, multiple day two picks are wasted and we are left with aging players at positions now costing us games. he hit on Allen, made a nice trade for 14. what else? 5 1 1 24 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 He ain’t top of the list .. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajinka Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Bagwell358 said: He’s been bad. Really bad. cap situation is a disaster, multiple day two picks are wasted and we are left with aging players at positions now costing us games. he hit on Allen, made a nice trade for 14. what else? The roster is pretty much a disaster. So many huge cap hits that don't produce. Old players with no replacement in line. 1 5 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bagwell358 said: He’s been bad. Really bad. cap situation is a disaster, multiple day two picks are wasted and we are left with aging players at positions now costing us games. he hit on Allen, made a nice trade for 14. what else? He hasn’t been “really bad”. He just has drafted a lot of “average to good” instead of “great to elite”. 44 draft picks and only 1 truly great player (Allen). 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Bagwell358 said: He’s been bad. Really bad. cap situation is a disaster, multiple day two picks are wasted and we are left with aging players at positions now costing us games. he hit on Allen, made a nice trade for 14. what else? Well, let’s start with Hyde and Poyer. Move to Bernard. Kincaid. Just to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Not sure if he’s tied to McDermott or not. Wouldn’t mind seeing him hit the road. Bills should just open the checkbook for harbaugh and bring in a new GM. 1 1 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Von Miller was a huge swing and miss though. 2 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Einstein said: Von Miller was a huge swing and miss though. Because he tore his ACL. Was playing great last year before that. 4 1 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, oldmanfan said: Well, let’s start with Hyde and Poyer. Move to Bernard. Kincaid. Just to start. Hyde and Poyer what? what about them? bernard is a good player but let’s not act like he is all pro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Folks who bag on Beane don't follow other teams very much. It's few and far between that teams strike better success than we had. Saying we are in cap hell and he doesn't get the cap is wildly inaccurate, as well 7 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Well, let’s start with Hyde and Poyer. Move to Bernard. Kincaid. Just to start. Think they came before beane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, oldmanfan said: Because he tore his ACL. Was playing great last year before that. I get it. But it’s fair to question the recklessness of the deal just to get him given his age. Beane blew every other team away with the money and that’s why he came here. We are paying for it now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 We didn’t lose today because of Beane 2 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Because he tore his ACL. Was playing great last year before that. The point is he was 33 years old and the contract he signed for a guy that age is ridiculous as it is. But then you have to factor in the likeliness of older players getting more often injured than young ones. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bagwell358 said: Hyde and Poyer what? what about them? bernard is a good player but let’s not act like he is all pro So now the only measuring stick for a GM is All Pros? Just now, mrags said: The point is he was 33 years old and the contract he signed for a guy that age is ridiculous as it is. But then you have to factor in the likeliness of older players getting more often injured than young ones. And you ignore he was playing great at 33 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 9 minutes ago, <bills4life> said: Beane is an enigma. Some claim he is a wizard. Others say he has missed out a lot on early round draft picks, has bad contracts, and now has aging and oft injured players on defense. I’m curious to see what others think. What say you? He’s a foookin puppet to Sean. Guys really think Brandon Beane has power? HA! Laughable. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 He’s a mediocre GM whose short comings get covered up by having an elite QB. 3 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, oldmanfan said: So now the only measuring stick for a GM is All Pros? Never said that but excellent try. He had more misses than hits in first 3 rounds. Very few “GEMS” in later rounds. It’s fair to criticize. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I think he put together the team that McDermott wanted, and it’s a team that a better coach could win a SB with. Can’t blame him for the constant coaching mistakes. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mynamemike Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Because he tore his ACL. Was playing great last year before that. Yes but a six year contract for a thirty five year old player who relies on speed and flexibility was pretty dumb. Contract should been three years tops Edited November 27, 2023 by Mynamemike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Bagwell358 said: I get it. But it’s fair to question the recklessness of the deal just to get him given his age. Beane blew every other team away with the money and that’s why he came here. We are paying for it now. It’s because it is what Mcdoushy absolutely needed for his defense to win a championship. A “guru” HC and defensive “genius” yet he can’t get it done with all the assets that he’s been given on that side of the ball while completely ignoring the offensive side of the ball for years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Mynamemike said: Yes but a six year contract for a thirty five year old player who relies on speed and flexibility wasn’t pretty dumb. Contract should been three years tops He overpaid to get him here for sure. It backfired. Tough to manage around now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimee75 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, <bills4life> said: Beane is an enigma. Some claim he is a wizard. Others say he has missed out a lot on early round draft picks, has bad contracts, and now has aging and oft injured players on defense. I’m curious to see what others think. What say you? I am with you 100%. I have considered him best thing since Bill Polian, now I am second guessing. Polian went and got Kelly some great weapons and OL. I would kill for a Howard Ballard on OL. He is too content to rely on Josh to do magic and not get him the proper help he needs. His drafts are hit or miss, but I think Kincaid is a hit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I don’t think the Bills would do better than Beane. Keep him here, cut McDermott and allow Beane to run the search for the next HC rather than Pegula. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Harty being a $5M inactive today while Sherfield ran the wrong routes multiple times was a HUGE indictment on Beane’s pro personnel skills. 7 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Bagwell358 said: Never said that but excellent try. He had more misses than hits in first 3 rounds. Very few “GEMS” in later rounds. It’s fair to criticize. Couple misses like Ford to be sure. But look at a guy like Epenesa. Took a bit but has come into his own. Or Oliver who is having a great year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 lol some of these post-loss threads are wild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: So now the only measuring stick for a GM is All Pros? And you ignore he was playing great at 33 I’m simply saying that players at age 33 tend to slow down or get more banged up and injured than players that are 25. And there is absolutely no reason to sign that 33 year old player to massive guaranteed money and the largest defensive contract in history at the time (or pretty close to it) and expect him to live up to that contract. Especially considering he would be 39 by the time is ended. It’s just common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: It’s because it is what Mcdoushy absolutely needed for his defense to win a championship. A “guru” HC and defensive “genius” yet he can’t get it done with all the assets that he’s been given on that side of the ball while completely ignoring the offensive side of the ball for years. Giving that deal the year after drafting GR50 and Boogie back to back while AJ was floundering just felt like they had no plan or hope those guys would get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Yeah. He needs to go with McD. The team building philosophy they both have was never going to be good enough. All of his post draft late signings to fill holes have totally busted the entire time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Hes a fine GM. He made a huge mistake signing Vonn Miller, a direct result of failing to sign JJ Watt and Chandler Jones in back to back years. He made a huge mistake not signing Hopkins this offseason, which may have been a direct result of the mistake in signing Miller. Outside of Miller the bigger contracts have void years. The cap situation isnt as bad as people think, they can clear space. It happens when you sign a QB for a quarter of a billion dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, mrags said: I’m simply saying that players at age 33 tend to slow down or get more banged up and injured than players that are 25. And there is absolutely no reason to sign that 33 year old player to massive guaranteed money and the largest defensive contract in history at the time (or pretty close to it) and expect him to live up to that contract. Especially considering he would be 39 by the time is ended. It’s just common sense. I am pretty sure they were not going to use that contract without restructuring it. I’d have to look at it to see when it would make sense to cut ties from a cap perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, Bagwell358 said: Giving that deal the year after drafting GR50 and Boogie back to back while AJ was floundering just felt like they had no plan or hope those guys would get it. Right. And now look at them. In cap hell so they likely won’t be able to re-sign AJ despite him playing well this year and finally getting it. Boogie was the biggest waste of a draft pick ever. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
<bills4life> Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Aimee75 said: I am with you 100%. I have considered him best thing since Bill Polian, now I am second guessing. Polian went and got Kelly some great weapons and OL. I would kill for a Howard Ballard on OL. He is too content to rely on Josh to do magic and not get him the proper help he needs. His drafts are hit or miss, but I think Kincaid is a hit. 100 percent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Just now, oldmanfan said: I am pretty sure they were not going to use that contract without restructuring it. I’d have to look at it to see when it would make sense to cut ties from a cap perspective. He’ll be 35-36 before we have a reasonable out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: Couple misses like Ford to be sure. But look at a guy like Epenesa. Took a bit but has come into his own. Or Oliver who is having a great year. Epenesa was brutal for 3 seasons. 0 contributions. He’s a miss. Sorry. boogie basham is a miss, ford colossal miss. Elam is a disaster. james cook in round 2? all the other assets invested in RB in rounds 3? he’s neglecting significant areas of roster for the same mistakes. 1 minute ago, mrags said: Right. And now look at them. In cap hell so they likely won’t be able to re-sign AJ despite him playing well this year and finally getting it. Boogie was the biggest waste of a draft pick ever. Or resign Floyd. DE and DT are a need going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Harty being a $5M inactive today while Sherfield ran the wrong routes multiple times was a HUGE indictment on Beane’s pro personnel skills. Meanwhile every Joe Nobody receiver the Eagles had was making tough catch after tough catch in the rain and coming down with the ball. It’s crazy how hard it’s been for us to find reliable receivers for a top shelf QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I feel like Beane has had a little more success via Free Agency/trade market and has left some room to be desired in drafting. The difficult question to ask is how much is bad drafting vs. poor player development. I appreciate Beane's aggressive approach in regards to the Von Contract but what made it a poor contract was his age. If he doesn't get injured we probably aren't having this convo. Beane and McDermott are almost opposite in philosophy. Beane seems aggressive and willing to take big swings whereas McDermott is ultra conservative/ play not to loose. If I had to chose one, I'd take Beane 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagwell358 Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Harty being a $5M inactive today while Sherfield ran the wrong routes multiple times was a HUGE indictment on Beane’s pro personnel skills. Also true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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