Has Shakir overtaken Davis

[WacArnolds]

12 hours ago, BruceVilanch said:

Keep Shakir in the slot and go after a legit #2 in the draft, we need to think about another #1 too, I have to imagine we'll have another diggs off season saga.

Of media creation only, maybe. We're lucky to have Diggs but regardless would be good to draft a guy that can eventually become your new stud.

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

 

To Biscuit's earlier point - I don't think it's as simple as that.  Shakir is clearly contributing more than Davis, but it is unclear whether he'd do so as a #2 WR.  He's been thriving in the slot while Davis has been the #2 WR.  Davis has been drawing coverage despite his issues with pass catching.

 

I still believe that Knox is the odd man out and you keep Davis out there with Shakir and Kincaid.

I guess it's really going to come down to how Brady wants to call the offense with Knox back in the lineup.  If they are going to look like they did last night then yes, he's the odd man out.  If they are going to go back to the 12 personnel, then it is going to come down to Davis vs Shakir.  Even if Shakir isn't an outside receiver, I still prefer his ability to run more than 3 routes.

[Matt_In_NH]

Just throw to the open guy.

[Ramza86]

Davis being his size and running routes is necessary for the success of others.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

They will let Gabe walk this year and draft somebody in the first round this is a very promising group of receivers coming out

[DasNootz]

If assigning the number based upon targets and production - Shakir has already proven to be ahead Davis.  If we're saying a WR2 is a deep threat guy, we currently don't have one with any level of constancy.  

 

Ideal target distribution going forward: 
Diggs
Kincaid
Shakir
Davis
Everyone else until proven differently (including Knox).

 

Davis and Shakir both block well.  I think Shakir runs sharper routes.  Neither is near Diggs in this category though.  Shakir also seems to have better hands and creates separation.  Davis is a busted coverage deep threat at this point.

[78thealltimegreat]

If you review Josh’s ints many of them are simply him looking to get Gabe involved in the offense. 
When he doesn’t look Gabes way and just take what the D gives him at times he’s unstoppable.

[MarkKelso'sHelmet]

27 minutes ago, BBFL said:

Gabe “Decoy” Davis going forward. Please and thanks!

 

Guy is a competent run blocker and that was the biggest change in this game… A successful run game and actually sticking with it. 

Cook and the OLine had a heck of a game. 

That's is a pretty sad way to characterize a supposed #2 receiver: "a competent run blocker."

 

Chris Simms said on his podcast multiple times that Gabe is not a legit #2. Said Shakir is a stronger option on the boundary and Davis should be in the slot.  If all Gabe brings to the table is run blocking it's time to move on from him. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by MarkKelso'sHelmet

[Roundybout]

Nate Geary had this discussion on the Extra Point Show last night and basically echoed this sentiment. 

 

Take away the Bucs game and since Week 5, he's got 6 catches on 17 targets for 83 yards. That's it. It's pathetic. 

 

Even with the Bucs game, he's only got 15 catches on 29 targets for 170 and a TD. 

[MarkKelso'sHelmet]

12 hours ago, JMM said:

Yes, BUT he is not an outside wr, he thrives in the slot. Leave him there, stuck with Davis rest of year

Are we sure? Chris Simms said on his podcast that they should try Davis in the slot and put Shakir on the boundary. Why can't Shakir play on the outside? I'm honestly asking. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by MarkKelso'sHelmet

[FLFan]

12 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

How was Davis fantastic with zero catches on zero targets? Gabe is that you?

He was referring to when Davis was the third outside WR, not to yesterday’s performance.  

[blacklabel]

During the off-season I would've said I'd be surprised if Beane didn't work out an extension with Davis. Now... I'm pretty sure they're gonna move on from him. I think there were rumors that they were aiming to extend him before the season but I've no idea if that's true. 

 

Obviously he's capable of some great games but consistency seems to be his big obstacle. One game he goes off for 8 grabs, 125 yards and a TD. Then he follows up with one catch on five targets, a drop, a deflection off his hands for a pick, a fumble, etc. 

 

I've liked Gabe since they've drafted him and like I said, he's obviously had his moments. I think they move on, though. 

Edited November 20, 2023 by blacklabel

[starrymessenger]

No question WR (#2) should be at the top of Beane's shopping list. I would like to go whole hogg. Pursue Tee Higgins if as expected he's available in FA. Then take advantage of next years strong draft at the position. I'd like Coleman. Don't see much diff between him and Odunze.

As for Gabe and yesterday's game, looked to me that Brady sat down with both Gabe and Diggs during the week to let them know that the O would be looking to target the TEs and slot receivers more so that Brady can start figuring out how better to gameplan going forward and see just what these Dorsey underused resources can contribute to a coherent and diversified offence. So I think both guys were shut down yesterday but as Brady develops his thinking we will see them more again in their usual roles, esp. Diggs.

Edited November 20, 2023 by starrymessenger

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

12 hours ago, Ralonzo said:

 

Gabe was amazing in Shakir's role of defenses not paying attention to him.

Starting to feel like Richie Cunningham's older brother Chuck. 🤔

[billsbackto81]

13 hours ago, Whkfc said:

Another strong game for Shakir and another no-show game from Gabe Davis. Have we seen a change at the #2 receiver for the Bills?

No.

 

But he has made Harty an overpaid afterthought. 

[Bruffalo]

14 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

If assigning the number based upon targets and production - Shakir has already proven to be ahead Davis.  If we're saying a WR2 is a deep threat guy, we currently don't have one with any level of constancy.  

 

Ideal target distribution going forward: 
Diggs
Kincaid
Shakir
Davis
Everyone else until proven differently (including Knox).

 

Davis and Shakir both block well.  I think Shakir runs sharper routes.  Neither is near Diggs in this category though.  Shakir also seems to have better hands and creates separation.  Davis is a busted coverage deep threat at this point.

Shakir is considerably faster than Davis, at least in game speed.  

 

I think Knox is still a great RZ target, but Kincaid should get the majority of looks on the field.  It will be good to move on from the 6 O-Lineman Jumbo package and back to 12 when we're close to the goal line.  

[JaCrispy]

23 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Davis being his size and running routes is necessary for the success of others.

We can (and WILL) do better…👍

[SCBills]

Just now, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

Are we sure? Chris Simms said on his podcast that they should try Davis in the slot and put Shakir on the boundary. Why can't Shakir play on the outside? I'm honestly asking. 

 

Shakir can play outside, he's just ideally suited to play from the slot.  

 

That being said, it certainly seems like moving Gabe inside could have added benefits of keeping him closer to the line for blocking, as well as giving him easier releases.

 

Problem is, I don't know that Allen trust Davis anymore to throw to him in the middle of the field.  We can't have 1st and Goal's turn into deflected pass interceptions against the teams we have coming up on our schedule.  

[zow2]

Gabe is not getting separation.  Josh is not going to throw into a 6 inch window just to feed Gabe.  He's not going to risk INTs or incompletions going forward.

[WhoTom]

I think Beane will draft a WR early. Let Gabe test FA. Based on this season, I don't think he'll be getting any big offers, so if the Bills wanted to keep him in a diminished receiving role, he'd probably be cheap.

 

As for Shakir: get that man the ball!