BillsFan692 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: EXACTLY. Far too often he ignores easy completions to throw into tight coverage. I mean, there's a time and a place for that, but from your own 10 to miss 3...not 1, not 2, but 3 open short pass receivers to go for a well-covered one is just inexcusable Just stop... every QB misses receivers... every QB throws ints... the int in this game didnt even result in points. Do you guys remember how Tua used to look with Flores as a headcoach??? Regardless of whether or not you think they are playing better than us even a blind man must agree Tua is MUCH improved with offensive coach he has now. What do you think Josh Allens potential could be if we werent squandering his best years with this underachieving defensive minded coach? On a team thats constantly sinking far too many assets and $$ into the wrong side of the ball. I think its criminal. Edited November 7, 2023 by BillsFan692 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: honest question how much blame for W/L can you reasonably assign a QB who is performing better than basically every other QB in the league He flat out lost the Jets game. He was below par against the Patriots. He was lucky the defense pulled out the win against the Giants. Edited November 7, 2023 by Beast 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 hours ago, McBean said: “lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.” Let’s address this coward mentality. Conservative mentality. No dog mentality. The soft mentality the Buffalo media has accepted along with some fans here. Bills previous head coaches in the 2000’s and their QB’s up until McClappy was hired. Wade- Flutie and Johnson Williams- Johnson and Bledsoe Mularkey- Bledsoe Jauron- Losman and Checkdown Edwards Gailey- Fitz Marrone- Manuel and Orton Rex- Tee Rod McClap- Tee Rod and Allen You notice something? Yeah, all of the prior coaches had horrible QB’s and lost here. Shocker! Myth: “He (McClap) changed the culture Fact: We had a negative point differential and a soft schedule in 2017 when the drought was broken. He punted in OT against Indy and was playing for the tie. A fumble led to a win. Also, a guy named Andy Dalton threw a pass that was nothing short of a miracle to get us in. The following season we stunk and got lucky to land Allen. Ever since, the clown coach has hid behind his star QB. Look at the terrible losses over the years. At JAX, at NE, ran over by Jonathan Taylor, Houston playoff meltdown, curb stomped by Cincy last playoffs… Myth: “Let’s fire Dorsey. It’s his fault.” Fact: Last year it was fire Frazier. It’s his fault. Leslie got the blame. Now, some of you are falling right into the same trap this Czar is going to spew at years end. Reality is if we hire a bright offensive mind who flourishes here, that guy is now gone in 2 years or less and we are stuck doing the same thing over. O, and even a great OC can’t cover up your clown HC horrible in game decision making. Your OC can’t cover up the obsession with defensive picks and big money to that side of the ball. Your OC can’t cover up the conservative scared coaching approaches like punting before half or kicking field goals down 2 scores. YOUR OC CANT COVER UP 13 SECONDS. In conclusion, I’m sick and freakin tired of the scared Buffalo media who won’t call this guy out. Guys like Adam Schein and Ross Tucker don’t hesitate to address the incompetence of McClap. Last comments… Jerry Kraus told Doug Collins to hit the bricks and promoted a guy named Phil Jackson to get the Bulls over the hump led by a guy named Michael Jordan. Did it work? 6 rings boss. Warriors told Mark Jackson to hit the bricks and hired a guy named Steve Kerr. Did it work? 4 rings. Brass Balls Howie Roseman told his SUPER BOWL WINNING COACH DOUG PEDERSON YOU’RE FIRED PAL TWO YEARS POST LOMBARDI! Did it work? Eagles #1 team in the league. Super Bowl appearance last year. Humming on offense. Sirriani aggressive coach who could coach circles around McClap. Incredible offensive line. Weapons galore. Has made Jalen Hurts into an MVP. You guys want to sit back and take this crap? Be my guest. I’ve pounded the table for 3 years to get this bozo out of WNY. Now, some are finally thinking I’m not crazy. You’re seeing it in front of your eyes folks. We are wasting a Hall of Fame QB. We are wasting time. We are wasting our best chance ever to win a Super Bowl title. To get this dark cloud over with. To bring a trophy home to WNY. For Bills Mafia across the world. How can we better our chances? Simple… Terry, please God do the right thing and FIRE SEAN MCDERMOTT. So if someone does not agree with your “assessment” they are a coward? Thanks for letting us know. What revelation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Mark92 said: His plateau was :13. Special teams coach got the ax that year and last year it was the defensive coach. Now maybe it will be Offensive Coach. It's McDermott. It was always McDermott...he's been forced by sheer survival to get rid of these guys that he himself hired. It's like when you pull out a weed yet the roots are still in the ground. It's gonna come back. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I dont think McDermott deserves to be fired after 1 bad season. I don’t think it’s a smart way to run your franchise. We’ve been out coached for years 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Beast said: He flat out lost the Jets game. He was below par against the Patriots. He was lucky the defense pulled out the win against the Giants. jets game no doubt But Patriots I can't agree. That should easily have been enough to beat them, ditto Jags imo we have a crazy high standard for Allen, where we measure him against his best performances as opposed to the rest of the league's QBs. It's unrealistic He's pretty much playing at top of the league level rn...if that's not good enough we are sunk 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 hours ago, McBean said: “lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.” Let’s address this coward mentality. Conservative mentality. No dog mentality. The soft mentality the Buffalo media has accepted along with some fans here. Bills previous head coaches in the 2000’s and their QB’s up until McClappy was hired. Wade- Flutie and Johnson Williams- Johnson and Bledsoe Mularkey- Bledsoe Jauron- Losman and Checkdown Edwards Gailey- Fitz Marrone- Manuel and Orton Rex- Tee Rod McClap- Tee Rod and Allen You notice something? Yeah, all of the prior coaches had horrible QB’s and lost here. Shocker! Myth: “He (McClap) changed the culture Fact: We had a negative point differential and a soft schedule in 2017 when the drought was broken. He punted in OT against Indy and was playing for the tie. A fumble led to a win. Also, a guy named Andy Dalton threw a pass that was nothing short of a miracle to get us in. The following season we stunk and got lucky to land Allen. Ever since, the clown coach has hid behind his star QB. Look at the terrible losses over the years. At JAX, at NE, ran over by Jonathan Taylor, Houston playoff meltdown, curb stomped by Cincy last playoffs… Myth: “Let’s fire Dorsey. It’s his fault.” Fact: Last year it was fire Frazier. It’s his fault. Leslie got the blame. Now, some of you are falling right into the same trap this Czar is going to spew at years end. Reality is if we hire a bright offensive mind who flourishes here, that guy is now gone in 2 years or less and we are stuck doing the same thing over. O, and even a great OC can’t cover up your clown HC horrible in game decision making. Your OC can’t cover up the obsession with defensive picks and big money to that side of the ball. Your OC can’t cover up the conservative scared coaching approaches like punting before half or kicking field goals down 2 scores. YOUR OC CANT COVER UP 13 SECONDS. In conclusion, I’m sick and freakin tired of the scared Buffalo media who won’t call this guy out. Guys like Adam Schein and Ross Tucker don’t hesitate to address the incompetence of McClap. Last comments… Jerry Kraus told Doug Collins to hit the bricks and promoted a guy named Phil Jackson to get the Bulls over the hump led by a guy named Michael Jordan. Did it work? 6 rings boss. Warriors told Mark Jackson to hit the bricks and hired a guy named Steve Kerr. Did it work? 4 rings. Brass Balls Howie Roseman told his SUPER BOWL WINNING COACH DOUG PEDERSON YOU’RE FIRED PAL TWO YEARS POST LOMBARDI! Did it work? Eagles #1 team in the league. Super Bowl appearance last year. Humming on offense. Sirriani aggressive coach who could coach circles around McClap. Incredible offensive line. Weapons galore. Has made Jalen Hurts into an MVP. You guys want to sit back and take this crap? Be my guest. I’ve pounded the table for 3 years to get this bozo out of WNY. Now, some are finally thinking I’m not crazy. You’re seeing it in front of your eyes folks. We are wasting a Hall of Fame QB. We are wasting time. We are wasting our best chance ever to win a Super Bowl title. To get this dark cloud over with. To bring a trophy home to WNY. For Bills Mafia across the world. How can we better our chances? Simple… Terry, please God do the right thing and FIRE SEAN MCDERMOTT. I've been calling McDermott Doug Collins since 13 seconds. The Bills need their Phil Jackson. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 As someone who has watched the Bills going back to Lou Saban, I've seen some very BAD coaches. And a lot of bad coaches in the NFL overall through all those years. I happen to think that McDermott is a very good coach. One of the best the Bills have ever had. He's definitely an above average coach in the NFL. THAT BEING SAID, I do wonder at times if he is the coach to get us over the Hump. The OP made some very salient points. It's a tough place to be in, we could do sooo much worse and have, but I also dont want to waste a career of a likely HOF QB. Terry may have a very tough decision on his hands in the next season or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 26 minutes ago, Beast said: He flat out lost the Jets game. He was below par against the Patriots. He was lucky the defense pulled out the win against the Giants. He left the field and they were up against the Pats. Bigger question is why can’t our defensive minded D get a stop when needed. Needed one against Jacksonville, never got it. Needed one against Pats, never got it. Needed one against the Bengals, never got it. Needed one against Giants and got pretty ***** lucky. This offence can put up points, it has been shown in every game. Too bad the HC ain’t willing to go with what works, instead wants to go with a different style that better fits his complimentary football. He’s living in the stone ages of football. Faster he’s gone the faster this team starts taking steps forward again. 2 1 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, BillsFan692 said: Rex Ryan with Josh Allen? Okay how do we know that would actually be any worse than whatever the hell this product is mcdermott is giving us right now? Hell Rex Ryan took the dirty sanchez to the championship game didn't he? I mean honestly, giving McD credit for anything this offense did 2020/2021 I dunno guys it feels dumb. Only credit I give these guys is picking Josh Allen -- and that got them 6 years of gainful employment. Time to move on. We owe these guys nothing at this point they have failed to deliver. Boom 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 The Bills will always be a perennial loser as long as McWmpy is here. The most horrific thing to happen is McWimpy will stay here until Josh Allen retires. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 hours ago, RyanC883 said: 13 seconds: bad season. Last season: bad ending. This season: even worse. See a trend: regression! Every team has a bad ending except one each year. Get used to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 End of the year presser with beans and McDermott drinking game words/phrases: "Don't want to make excuses but..." "Injuries" "Evaluate" "Disappointed" "Process" "Learn from our mistakes" "Blue collar" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 McDermott is not going anywhere anytime soon. This organization was a dumpster fire before McDermott/Beane showed up. Why are the Bills expectations so high? Because McDermott brought stability to the organization after YEARS of recycling HC. They would go through a full roster rebuild before they would even consider doing it. Who the hell fires a coach who has won over 60% of their games. Has 3 division titles in 4 years and was just 13 seconds away from a SB appearance?? It makes zero sense. It’s not going to happen and its wasted energy to even think about it. Yes. We all want a Super Bowl!! So do 31 other teams but this isn’t college football where Georgia or Alabama win it every year. There’s a reason why there hasn’t been a repeat Super Bowl Champion in over 20 years. Because it’s hard to ***** do!! All you can ask for in this league is the opportunity to win a superbowl and since McDermott has been here, the Bills have been in the conversation to win it. Do they need to make changes? Absolutely. But changing HC isn’t one of them. 1 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 8 hours ago, McBean said: “lOoK AT ouR pREVioUs cOaChes mAN. NOt woRTH THe RiSk.” Let’s address this coward mentality. Conservative mentality. No dog mentality. The soft mentality the Buffalo media has accepted along with some fans here. Bills previous head coaches in the 2000’s and their QB’s up until McClappy was hired. Wade- Flutie and Johnson Williams- Johnson and Bledsoe Mularkey- Bledsoe Jauron- Losman and Checkdown Edwards Gailey- Fitz Marrone- Manuel and Orton Rex- Tee Rod McClap- Tee Rod and Allen You notice something? Yeah, all of the prior coaches had horrible QB’s and lost here. Shocker! Myth: “He (McClap) changed the culture Fact: We had a negative point differential and a soft schedule in 2017 when the drought was broken. He punted in OT against Indy and was playing for the tie. A fumble led to a win. Also, a guy named Andy Dalton threw a pass that was nothing short of a miracle to get us in. The following season we stunk and got lucky to land Allen. Ever since, the clown coach has hid behind his star QB. Look at the terrible losses over the years. At JAX, at NE, ran over by Jonathan Taylor, Houston playoff meltdown, curb stomped by Cincy last playoffs… Myth: “Let’s fire Dorsey. It’s his fault.” Fact: Last year it was fire Frazier. It’s his fault. Leslie got the blame. Now, some of you are falling right into the same trap this Czar is going to spew at years end. Reality is if we hire a bright offensive mind who flourishes here, that guy is now gone in 2 years or less and we are stuck doing the same thing over. O, and even a great OC can’t cover up your clown HC horrible in game decision making. Your OC can’t cover up the obsession with defensive picks and big money to that side of the ball. Your OC can’t cover up the conservative scared coaching approaches like punting before half or kicking field goals down 2 scores. YOUR OC CANT COVER UP 13 SECONDS. In conclusion, I’m sick and freakin tired of the scared Buffalo media who won’t call this guy out. Guys like Adam Schein and Ross Tucker don’t hesitate to address the incompetence of McClap. Last comments… Jerry Kraus told Doug Collins to hit the bricks and promoted a guy named Phil Jackson to get the Bulls over the hump led by a guy named Michael Jordan. Did it work? 6 rings boss. Warriors told Mark Jackson to hit the bricks and hired a guy named Steve Kerr. Did it work? 4 rings. Brass Balls Howie Roseman told his SUPER BOWL WINNING COACH DOUG PEDERSON YOU’RE FIRED PAL TWO YEARS POST LOMBARDI! Did it work? Eagles #1 team in the league. Super Bowl appearance last year. Humming on offense. Sirriani aggressive coach who could coach circles around McClap. Incredible offensive line. Weapons galore. Has made Jalen Hurts into an MVP. You guys want to sit back and take this crap? Be my guest. I’ve pounded the table for 3 years to get this bozo out of WNY. Now, some are finally thinking I’m not crazy. You’re seeing it in front of your eyes folks. We are wasting a Hall of Fame QB. We are wasting time. We are wasting our best chance ever to win a Super Bowl title. To get this dark cloud over with. To bring a trophy home to WNY. For Bills Mafia across the world. How can we better our chances? Simple… Terry, please God do the right thing and FIRE SEAN MCDERMOTT. What a load. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, JMM said: As someone who has watched the Bills going back to Lou Saban, I've seen some very BAD coaches. And a lot of bad coaches in the NFL overall through all those years. I happen to think that McDermott is a very good coach. One of the best the Bills have ever had. He's definitely an above average coach in the NFL. THAT BEING SAID, I do wonder at times if he is the coach to get us over the Hump. The OP made some very salient points. It's a tough place to be in, we could do sooo much worse and have, but I also dont want to waste a career of a likely HOF QB. Terry may have a very tough decision on his hands in the next season or so. Yeah, I'm not willing to waste Josh's 2nd half of his career on the assumption that McD will someday "figure it out". Sean has had 7 years and plenty of opportunities to display an elite level of game day abilities. His defense blew a 16-0 lead in Houston. His defense got run over in the 2020 afccg. His defense performed one of the all time (:13) meltdowns in NFL history a year later. And against Cincy, his defense gave up 14 points before I even had time to get to the fridge. If you grade him as a HR director, he gets an A. If you grade him as a game manager, he gets a C. And he makes sure he never runs out of scapegoats. I'm done...hire BJ. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 8 hours ago, McBean said: But why not? Why why why? How in the world can our owner not see this? How can he not get through his skull we are MAXED out with Sean? Because pegula has no idea what he’s doing. Look at the sabres mess and look at his first moves with the bills. McDermott is just an average coach and we lucked out with Daboll and Allen pairing which worked out and they’ve been riding that wave since. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Joe Ferguson said: The Bills will always be a perennial loser as long as McWmpy is here. The most horrific thing to happen is McWimpy will stay here until Josh Allen retires. I mean yes he lost in the playoffs. And he drives me crazy sometimes . But a perennial loser? Are you out of your ***** mind. 29 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: What a load. it’s like meltdown Tuesday again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, May Day 10 said: End of the year presser with beans and McDermott drinking game words/phrases: "Don't want to make excuses but..." "Injuries" "Evaluate" "Disappointed" "Process" "Learn from our mistakes" "Blue collar" Are you trying to kill people? Also you left out "complimentary football" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: won't be so sure about that. Will be awful hard to sell tickets to a new stadium with early playoff exits when you have Allen. Unless we are a fanbase of morons who accept mediocrity. We we're selling out with 17 years of drought play and you think it will stop now with this team? The NFL is a well oiled machine! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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