ExiledInIllinois Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 https://www.windycitygridiron.com/2023/10/30/23939918/chicago-bears-cornerback-jaylon-johnson-requests-trade-breaking-news-2023-nfl-trade-deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I'd say there's a 25% chance he's a Bill by 4 pm. If not Buffalo then it'll be DAL, SF or PHI 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Beane go get this man. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDad51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I'd say there's a 25% chance he's a Bill by 4 pm. If not Buffalo then it'll be DAL, SF or PHI Will Bears favor shipping him to AFC or will best offer win? Might not matter as he is likely a 2023 rental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 He will fetch a first plus, if traded at this point. Plus a very big contract. I don’t see the Bills doing that. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, BillsDad51 said: Will Bears favor shipping him to AFC or will best offer win? Might not matter as he is likely a 2023 rental. He could also factor in a FA compensation formula if he did leave for greener pastures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, BillsDad51 said: Will Bears favor shipping him to AFC or will best offer win? Might not matter as he is likely a 2023 rental. No team is going to trade for him without a new contract in place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: He will fetch a first plus, if traded at this point. Plus a very big contract. I don’t see the Bills doing that. Agreed, bug you can’t count on Tre playing for the Bills again. Bills are in need of a #1 CB long term. Benford is a cost controlled good #2 CB for next 3 years. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If he signs an extension, I would give up a first. I would see if they bite on Elam and a 2nd first though 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If San Francisco wants him he will be a 49er…. They have a ton of picks and plenty of cap space this year. Not so much next year. Plus Johnson is a California kid and I’d say it’s a 85% chance he goes to San Francisco. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, CEN-CAL17 said: If San Francisco wants him he will be a 49er…. They have a ton of picks and plenty of cap space this year. Not so much next year. Plus Johnson is a California kid and I’d say it’s a 85% chance he goes to San Francisco. Yea SF is the team I would not want to be competing against in this scenario. Both teams are good enough to win a championship but SF always worries about Tomorrow, Tomorrow. I dont think they would even blink at giving a 1 and a huge contract if they think he is what they are missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Agreed, bug you can’t count on Tre playing for the Bills again. Bills are in need of a #1 CB long term. Benford is a cost controlled good #2 CB for next 3 years. I agree in principle. A replacement for Tre is needed ASAP. He isn’t going to get back to the player he was and I don’t think we will see him in a Bills uniform again. The Bills might be able to work a trade - and let’s face it, even first round CBs don’t always work out (obviously). So it’s not about the draft capital so much as it is about the contract. I don’t know how the Bills manage to add a top of market CB contract at this point. Edited October 31, 2023 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Worth noting that the Bears primarily run Zone and Jaylon Johnson has been successful in it: https://beargoggleson.com/2022/01/31/chicago-bears-matt-eberflus-defense/ I wonder if they'd be willing to give Elam a shot if we throw a premium pick in as well.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 19 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: No team is going to trade for him without a new contract in place. Yeah, and that allows him to dictate where he wants to go. SF seems like the likeliest landing spot. They have $40 million in cap space right now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: He will fetch a first plus, if traded at this point. Plus a very big contract. I don’t see the Bills doing that. We're about to have to draft a CB in the 1st next year anyways. Might as well get a guy who we know can play. We should also be freeing up a bunch of CB money by releasing Tre. Git r dun 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wettlaufer Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 How about shipping out Elam and a second rounder? This guy is a zone corner and the Bears don't want to pay him because he's weaker in man coverage than zone. Can we restructure Tre here? Johnson definitely wants top-10 money in an extension. https://beargoggleson.com/posts/jaylon-johnson-requests-trade-chicago-bears-grant-permission-nfl-deadline 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If tre is off the books next year, Bills have the need and future cap space. Only way I see this happening though is if Bears want Elam. Can’t see Beane using a 1st round pick on another corner which is what it will take if Bears don’t want Elam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: Yea SF is the team I would not want to be competing against in this scenario. Both teams are good enough to win a championship but SF always worries about Tomorrow, Tomorrow. I dont think they would even blink at giving a 1 and a huge contract if they think he is what they are missing. San Francisco’s cap space for 2024 is basically gone. What they have this year is already spent next year, that’s why Lynch GM said they don’t want to spend the cap this year. But 49ers have 3x 3rd round, 2x 4th and 3x 5th round picks for 2024. Johnson saying trade me is basically saying I’m not coming back next year so get what you can. First round pick is not happening, maybe multiple 3rds, one in 2024 and one in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, BuffaloRebound said: If tre is off the books next year, Bills have the need and future cap space. Only way I see this happening though is if Bears want Elam. Can’t see Beane using a 1st round pick on another corner which is what it will take if Bears don’t want Elam. I can, since it is by far our biggest need, and Beane has never shied away from making double picks. At least, he better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Am I missing something? Wtf are folks talking about w his contract? Seems workable. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, RichRiderBills said: Am I missing something? Wtf are folks talking about w his contract? Seems workable. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/ He needs an extension before next season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Am I missing something? Wtf are folks talking about w his contract? Seems workable. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/ He's not a "process" guy. Hard pass for McBeane 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Interest in him will probably be high. Hard to see Beane making move. Seems like something Roseman and Philly would look to pull off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Dunkirk Donski said: He's not a "process" guy. Hard pass for McBeane Sweet, this means we're acquiring him!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Sweet, this means we're acquiring him!!! I'm calling Scopp today with an inside scoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Dunkirk Donski said: I'm calling Scopp today with an inside scoop. Save your time and tell us the trick or treat now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: He needs an extension before next season Depends what price you pay. But also not hard to craft something cap friendly with this to work from. Could easily work w a low base in year 1 and 2. The notion he wants out and is asking out damages his value because he is basically saying he won't resign w his current team. The bottom line is Tre is easily in unpredictable status for his future, Dane is a UFA, and Elam appears to be on the out. We need a CB and it makes sense to add a good one. 6 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said: He's not a "process" guy. Hard pass for McBeane Well Norman has been a pain several times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I wrote to the Bills to pick him up like three times with no response. Anyone have a direct line? Can’t find anything on Google! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Just now, Bobby Hooks said: I wrote to the Bills to pick him up like three times with no response. Anyone have a direct line? Can’t find anything on Google! My friend is a cleaner inside the building. Not much going on today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juno999 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 27 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I agree in principle. A replacement for Tre is needed ASAP. He isn’t going to get back to the player he was and I don’t think we will see him in a Bills uniform again. The Bills might be able to work a trade - and let’s face it, even first round CBs don’t always work out (obviously). So it’s not about the draft capital so much as it is about the contract. I don’t know how the Bills manage to add a top of market CB contract at this point. I agree with you. Beane is a creative cap guy and if they really want Johnson, I think Beane will make it happen. The salary cap will likely go up again, they can kick some of Allen's salary down the road, if you're right about Tre White - they can save cap space by cutting him. If they trade for Johnson, it'll impact some players that they may have wanted to re-sign. The CB room is a mess right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, Dunkirk Donski said: My friend is a cleaner inside the building. Not much going on today. Beane better be in the secret laboratory with his sleeves rolled up and empty Mountain Dew bottles around him or I’m done with this team. My next step is a “I’m leaving the boards forever!” thread. Maybe that’ll get their attention! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 13 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said: Am I missing something? Wtf are folks talking about w his contract? Seems workable. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jaylon-johnson-47645/ It’s the extension that’s the issue. The MV Spotrac shows obviously does not account for his play this season. He’s gotten better every year and will get a deal in the top 10 CBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iraq Vet Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 46 minutes ago, BillsDad51 said: Will Bears favor shipping him to AFC or will best offer win? Might not matter as he is likely a 2023 rental. Da Bears are not competitive at all. They will take the best deal. By the time the Bears are relevant (if ever) their fans will not care about this trade. I doubt Beane will be willing to give up much for a rental. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 47 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: He will fetch a first plus, if traded at this point. Plus a very big contract. I don’t see the Bills doing that. First plus on last year of contract? Only if teams had chance to negotiation extension ahead of time and it would have to be an agent team really, really trusted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 11 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Interest in him will probably be high. Hard to see Beane making move. Seems like something Roseman and Philly would look to pull off. Which is why they actually got to a supebowl and have a stacked roster. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 i don't know if i want to send a first for a guy looking to cash in. i'd consider Elam + a 2nd or preferably a 3rd. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 His notebook game is not up to snuff. Pass. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 If you assume Tre White is done with the Bills, we should consider trading for this guy and signing him to an extension. I think we can save $5-6m cutting White this off-season. This guy is probably somewhere in the $15m-$20m range. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: We're about to have to draft a CB in the 1st next year anyways. Might as well get a guy who we know can play. We should also be freeing up a bunch of CB money by releasing Tre. Git r dun Like the Stefon Diggs trade. I’d be on board if the cap dollars can work and the contract isn’t in Denzel Ward territory 5/$100M. We will still have to account for Tre at $10.4M (though that could be spread over two seasons). If the contract is more in the $13M-$15M AAV range, then I am a lot more interested. 1 minute ago, juno999 said: I agree with you. Beane is a creative cap guy and if they really want Johnson, I think Beane will make it happen. The salary cap will likely go up again, they can kick some of Allen's salary down the road, if you're right about Tre White - they can save cap space by cutting him. If they trade for Johnson, it'll impact some players that they may have wanted to re-sign. The CB room is a mess right now. They will have to restructure Allen as well as others regardless. The impact of a contract like this would be felt somewhere. Not everywhere, but somewhere. The more I look at the numbers the more I see how it is workable. But the Bills are at a point where they are making budget constrained decisions. CB is very good place to spend so I can see them choosing to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 58 minutes ago, BillsDad51 said: Will Bears favor shipping him to AFC or will best offer win? Might not matter as he is likely a 2023 rental. There is little chance of White being good to go week 1. This could be more than a rental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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