TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 If Big Ed is out we are in serious trouble. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patrick Duffy Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 30 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: If Big Ed is out we are in serious trouble. Normally I'd agree, but considering it's against Pats and with Jones and that offense has shown it may not be as serious as you think. If Bills end up having to use extras up to defend the run, I don't see anything much that Pats/Jones have been showing that warrants very much concern they can take advantage... That's just me though.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think it's part of Dorsey's job to extract more out of the players we have. But I also think we've done the Diggs-Davis-scrub WR routine in 2022 and now into 2023 and we're seeing largely the same results. A Diggs centric passing game, with occasional spikes from Davis, and everyone else is sporadic (although I do still like Shakir). Baring a trade, the only potential to be different is how good Kincaid can be, and be utilized (unless we're banking on the Bills opening up Josh run plays again, or executing a better screen game with Cook). But can Dorsey extract 30-33 ppg from this offense? Is 28 ppg "enough"? Or is the main goal to shrink the outlier games? 2022 was actually Diggs least targeted year in Buffalo. Diggs has always been one of the most targeted WR in the league while he’s here. This isn’t new. The difficulty is we haven’t evolved from chuck it to Diggs, or have Josh hurdle defenders. That isn’t a sustainable offense no matter what the supporting cast is. I think that’s what McD was talking to today. Josh and Co. need to execute the plays that are called better, and Dorsey needs to do more to get more players and their skill sets involved. Edited October 18, 2023 by Mango 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Mango said: 2022 was actually Diggs least targeted year in Buffalo. Diggs has always been one of the most targeted WR in the league while he’s here. This isn’t new. The difficulty is we haven’t evolved from chuck it to Diggs, or have Josh hurdle defenders. That isn’t a sustainable offense no matter what the supporting cast is. I think that’s what McD was talking to today. Josh and Co. need to execute the plays that are called better, and Dorsey needs to do more to get more players and their skill sets involved. I think Greg Cosell stated the Bills offense is based on execution. I happen to agree with him. Of course, that could be said of every offense to an extent. With that said, this offense is very good but somewhat different. I'm not used to 15 play 10 minute drives. Seems like that's difficult to maintain and not a lot of error for mistakes. This offense needs to improve despite the good statistics. The run game and play calling has to improve. I'm not sure how good the oline is after the last two poor performances. Allen's legs have to become a weapon again. Kincaid has to be utilized in deeper seam routes. The Bills should incorporate the screen game. The Bills have to be less predictable and less reliant on Diggs. More motion more misdirection plays. Etc... This offense is plenty good to beat inferior teams in the regular season. Will it be good enough come playoff time? I'm afraid it's current state is not. Plenty of time to get it right. Do we think Dorsey and McD will get it right? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 hours ago, Mango said: I actually think McD will call out staff pretty quickly with stuff like "We have to be better with what we are seeing out there" and other general platitudes. While yes, I think McD is calling out Dorsey when he says "Understanding what our players strengths are, and putting them in a position to succeed" type stuff. But I think when McD was talking about the offenses failure to execute keeping them out of rhythm, I think he is calling out the players. Both things are/can be true at the same time. Some of those miscues last week just had me shaking my head. Remember when Diggs took off all alone before the snap? That level of disconnect is new for this group so I am glad McD recognizes that something needs to change to get our offense more dialed in on game day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: If Big Ed is out we are in serious trouble. I think the Pats have close to 20 guys on the report this week. And that's w/ an already bad team.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Success said: I think the Pats have close to 20 guys on the report this week. And that's w/ an already bad team.. Yeah, but that is kind of the way BB always rolls. I don't trust any information they put out about injuries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steptide Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Weather looking like crap for Sunday. Rain and wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Steptide said: Weather looking like crap for Sunday. Rain and wind. Those are Mac Jones best playing conditions, mostly because he just hands the ball to someone else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, Steptide said: Weather looking like crap for Sunday. Rain and wind. Bills are at least better equipped to win a ground and pound game this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 5 hours ago, Beck Water said: FWIW, Shakir has seen steadily increasing snaps through this season. From 10% game 1, up to 32% vs Jags and 39% vs. Giants. That could just mean Kincaid is out, or it could mean the coaches are seeing positive developments for him in practice. But, his targets are not changing (1 per game) Kincaid, after 80% game one, has been holding steady at 50%. One target per game for the Shakir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 38 minutes ago, Steptide said: Weather looking like crap for Sunday. Rain and wind. Nah, rain in AM, cloudy afternoon. 57 and 13 MPH winds. Paradise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, Success said: I think the Pats have close to 20 guys on the report this week. And that's w/ an already bad team.. I wonder if that's just the typical Belichick baloney. Seems like they always put half the team on injury report and then all but 1 of them plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said: Normally I'd agree, but considering it's against Pats and with Jones and that offense has shown it may not be as serious as you think. If Bills end up having to use extras up to defend the run, I don't see anything much that Pats/Jones have been showing that warrants very much concern they can take advantage... That's just me though.... Actually, Jones wouldn't be what would trouble me if Ed was out. What NE does have are 2 RBs that can pound the rock inside in Stevenson and Zeke. I would suspect this to be something they look to do anyway as Buffalo has shown to be vulnerable to traps and pulls inside AND the double benefit for them to try and control the clock and limit Buffalo's possessions and chance that the offense finds it's stroke. If it's Poona and Phillips inside we are in some trouble there against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said: Normally I'd agree, but considering it's against Pats and with Jones and that offense has shown it may not be as serious as you think. If Bills end up having to use extras up to defend the run, I don't see anything much that Pats/Jones have been showing that warrants very much concern they can take advantage... That's just me though.... They been very good against the run period, the secondary been absolutely wrecked with injuries though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) What is our identity as an offense? Until we can definitively answer that, then Dorsey isn’t doing his job. Right now it looks the same as last year. Ken puts about 15 random plays in a hat and shakes them up. 10 say you have 1 read and his name is Diggs. 1 play action shot to Davis. 1 shotgun draw. 1 dealers choice (that’s where anyone not named Diggs or Davis gets their total targets). The last 2 say “Josh figure it out after you hike the ball”. He just shakes up the hat and pulls out a play and that’s our rhythm. Notice there are no Josh Run plays even on a scramble and that’s a big problem. They’ve neutered Josh and it’s having a big effect on the offense. His legs must get more involved. That’s what our offense has looked like since halfway through last season. Josh is also a problem because he’s not even looking at anyone but Diggs even when they are open. Dorsey needs to change the reads and get more people involved earlier. For every 2 Diggs, make someone else the first read and Diggs #2. Edited October 18, 2023 by RunTheBall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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