Special K Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Can anyone explain this?? When seeing the replay, it was clear that these three idiots committed unprovoked acts of aggression on Dawkins and Brown. Thibideaux was seen kicking Dawkins in the head and neck area, and Lawrence and Williams threw themselves like missles and knocked Brown to the ground. I'm sure their wallets will be lighter later in the week, but at least one, if not all three of these clowns should have been ejected from the game!! Thoughts?? 4 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 You wanted them to eject most of the Giants DLine all at once because of some shoving and wrestling on one play? 5 2 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I'm sure that Daboll told his guys to target Brown, Oliver and Dawkins - guys who are hotheads and would likely take the bait. No punches were thrown, and none of the actions rose to the level of being an intent to injure, so I was okay with the offsetting PFs. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 The better question is, why was Josh Allen being an absolute dumbass and throwing his throwing shoulder into that mess? 3 5 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Simon said: You wanted them to eject most of the Giants DLine all at once because of some shoving and wrestling on one play? pushing and shoving is one thing, but kicking someone in the face and chasing someone around and knocking them to the ground 30 seconds after the play is over is quite another, IMO. 1 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 They didnt do anything ejection worthy. That is pretty much down to throwing a punch. Lawrence was close when he got Brown on the ground, but didnt swing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: The better question is, why was Josh Allen being an absolute dumbass and throwing his throwing shoulder into that mess? his injured throwing shoulder, no less. He had banged up the shoulder prior to that skirmish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, That's No Moon said: The better question is, why was Josh Allen being an absolute dumbass and throwing his throwing shoulder into that mess? Oliver and Allen will probably receive fines for their actions as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: They didnt do anything ejection worthy. That is pretty much down to throwing a punch. Lawrence was close when he got Brown on the ground, but didnt swing. Yeah he had that thing cocked and I was hoping he'd dumb enouhg to throw it at Brown's helmet and get tossed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Personally I would've ejected Williams. That was a pretty energetic hit a solid 30 seconds after the whistle and semi-injured Brown (who hadn't really done anything during the play/scrum). Frustrating to see 4 personal fouls called with 3 on the Giants and 1 on the Bills only to all offset. And the call on the Bills was the weakest one of the bunch. 5 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Special K said: Oliver and Allen will probably receive fines for their actions as well. Maybe Dawkins too since he was sort of the one that started the whole thing. Hands to the face twice on one play; he should have been called for the first one, if not the second one also. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 16, 2023 Author Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Personally I would've ejected Williams. That was a pretty energetic hit a solid 30 seconds after the whistle and semi-injured Brown (who hadn't really done anything during the play/scrum). Frustrating to see 4 personal fouls called with 3 on the Giants and 1 on the Bills only to all offset. And the call on the Bills was the weakest one of the bunch. Exactly....the play was long over, and he's physically chasing Brown around to knock him to the ground....totally out of line. Plus Thibideaux actually kicked Dawkins....kicking someone is the same as throwing a punch, IMO. 3 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: Personally I would've ejected Williams. That was a pretty energetic hit a solid 30 seconds after the whistle and semi-injured Brown (who hadn't really done anything during the play/scrum). Yeah, that was pretty close. Although Spencer was playing mean through the whistle right along with Dawkins (and Thibodeaux). Lawrence overreacted some but Williams was frustrated from just having a football jammed down his craw for 8 straight minutes and was out of line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Special K said: Exactly....the play was long over, and he's physically chasing Brown around to knock him to the ground....totally out of line. Plus Thibideaux actually kicked Dawkins....kicking someone is the same as throwing a punch, IMO. Unfortunately, the only action will be taken this week, and it will be pointless fines that these particular well-paid players won't even notice. Maybe if the kicking in the head thing is obvious there might be some potential for a suspension...but I didn't even catch that from my vantage (which is actually pretty perfect to see that all unfold, down near that goal line on the Bills side). You miss a lot of details in person. You see some things with amazing clarity, but you just can't take it all in on every play. And you definitely don't get any info from the PA system or replays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 33 minutes ago, Simon said: You wanted them to eject most of the Giants DLine all at once because of some shoving and wrestling on one play? They injured Brown, did he get back into the game? I know he's our least favorite O-lineman performance wise but that was ***** up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I'm sure that Daboll told his guys to target Brown, Oliver and Dawkins - guys who are hotheads and would likely take the bait. No punches were thrown, and none of the actions rose to the level of being an intent to injure, so I was okay with the offsetting PFs. Williams came close. After he knocked Brown down he stood over with a clenched fist, coiled, but then thought better of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Bermuda Triangle said: his injured throwing shoulder, no less. He had banged up the shoulder prior to that skirmish Was it smart? Probably not. Will the rest of the Bills love him even more? You betcha. He's as tall as the linemen, though not as heavy, and he doesn't think anyone can push him or his teammates around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 The only thing that was close to ejection worthy was the kicking by Thibideaux. I don’t know how the announcers didn’t catch on to that. https://x.com/complexsports/status/1713749037570990304?s=46&t=ZPSqGVzU97vtboh4VlefLw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Livinginthepast Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Albanybillsbacker said: The only thing that was close to ejection worthy was the kicking by Thibideaux. I don’t know how the announcers didn’t catch on to that. https://x.com/complexsports/status/1713749037570990304?s=46&t=ZPSqGVzU97vtboh4VlefLw Because the announcers were the dolt Collinsworth and his speak no evil partner Tirico. Thibideaux repeatedly kicked (at least 4 times). That should have been an ejection. additionally, How do 3 Objectionable conducts offset with 1? What a stupid rule. Typical NFL logic. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Mods please take this to the PPP forum. 😉😜😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Simon said: Maybe Dawkins too since he was sort of the one that started the whole thing. Hands to the face twice on one play; he should have been called for the first one, if not the second one also. Dawkins was having his facemask grabbed... I get why he got upset... that being said Ive seen worse in hockey... done worse... meh kinda of enjoyed it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, North Buffalo said: Dawkins was having his facemask grabbed... I get why he got upset... that being said Ive seen worse in hockey... done worse... meh kinda of enjoyed it. Was saying same thing to wife... I absolutely love football where everything was offsetting! 😆 Perfect socialist game. Hockey would have found the extra 2 minutes for roughing going to the Giants. /smdh... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said: I'm sure that Daboll told his guys to target Brown, Oliver and Dawkins - guys who are hotheads and would likely take the bait. No punches were thrown, and none of the actions rose to the level of being an intent to injure, so I was okay with the offsetting PFs. Maybe not the intent, but Spencer Brown was hurt on the second cheap shot. He never returned to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Was saying same thing to wife... I absolutely love football where everything was offsetting! 😆 Perfect socialist game. Hockey would have found the extra 2 minutes for roughing going to the Giants. /smdh... The offsetting crap is moronic... still a little shoving between little brother and big brother meh like I said in hockey you see this stuff face washing.. dumping guys at or after the whistle... if you could have a penalty box that'd be awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Simon said: You wanted them to eject most of the Giants DLine all at once because of some shoving and wrestling on one play? Thibodeaux should have been thrown out for cleats to Dawkins:s junk. At least I think I saw that on replay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Williams went after Brown well after the initial scrum and injured him. The offsetting penalties rule is dumb. Hoping there are some hefty fines levied against the Giants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Simon said: Maybe Dawkins too since he was sort of the one that started the whole thing. Hands to the face twice on one play; he should have been called for the first one, if not the second one also. If anyone should have been ejected it should have been the fat tub of goo Dawkins. It all started because he was destroyed on the play and seemed to be butthurt about it. Then he proceeded to kick and stomp on Thibideaux while he was down. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, Albanybillsbacker said: The only thing that was close to ejection worthy was the kicking by Thibideaux. I don’t know how the announcers didn’t catch on to that. https://x.com/complexsports/status/1713749037570990304?s=46&t=ZPSqGVzU97vtboh4VlefLw They said he was trying to keep Dawkins away by using his foot. Collinsworth is a complete idiot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Thibodeaux should have been thrown out for cleats to Dawkins:s junk. At least I think I saw that on replay Dawkins was stomping on him while he was as on the ground. Not only should he have been ejected. In the real world he would have been charged with battery. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mrags said: Dawkins was stomping on him while he was as on the ground. Not only should he have been ejected. In the real world he would have been charged with battery. Don't recall seeing that. I'll have to watch it again. Watched it again. Didn't see what you're describing. Dawkins just kept pushing him as he was being kicked at. He circled around him but no stomping like you describe. It's possible he stepped on him a little while they were tangled up. But again. No stomping. Edited October 16, 2023 by Not at the table Karlos 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: Dawkins was stomping on him while he was as on the ground. Not only should he have been ejected. In the real world he would have been charged with battery. Literally never happened. Dawkins never stomped him although he easily could have. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, Albanybillsbacker said: Literally never happened. Dawkins never stomped him although he easily could have. Omg. Open your eyes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, mrags said: Omg. Open your eyes They are open. He stepped towards him aggressively after being kicked in the balls. Then he tried to rip his helmet off while he was on the ground. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Albanybillsbacker said: They are open. He stepped towards him aggressively after being kicked in the balls. Then he tried to rip his helmet off while he was on the ground. Watch again. He was kicking him and stomping him. All because he got blown up on the play and his fat gooey ego couldn’t handle it 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, mrags said: Omg. Open your eyes You're making stuff up. Just now, mrags said: Watch again. He was kicking him and stomping him. All because he got blown up on the play and his fat gooey ego couldn’t handle it Did watch. What you're describing never happened. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albanybillsbacker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, mrags said: Watch again. He was kicking him and stomping him. All because he got blown up on the play and his fat gooey ego couldn’t handle it Ahh now I understand. 🙄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, mrags said: Dawkins was stomping on him while he was as on the ground. Not only should he have been ejected. In the real world he would have been charged with battery. Gtfoh 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 the should have canceled the game at that point, when you think of it... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, Simon said: Maybe Dawkins too since he was sort of the one that started the whole thing. Hands to the face twice on one play; he should have been called for the first one, if not the second one also. The refs were allowing hands to the face and holding most of the game on both sides. When collinsworth was praising the giants OL for getting saquon going they showed at least two hands to face and even more holding. Very odd crew they wouldn't call stuff then a little while later they would then stop again. I'd bet it added to the tempers flaring. Hope we never have them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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