Success Posted August 24, 2023 Share Posted August 24, 2023 I saw Broussard say this the other day, responding to Nick Wright's usual deranged lunacy about the Bills. He couldn't agree w/ some of ol' Nick's ridiculous assessments, but in trying to find some common ground for why Buffalo will never win anything ever at any time, he said that they do lack leadership, from any player, or from McDermott. Personally, I don't fully agree. I think Allen leads by example, and is a strong personality at the most important position. We've all seen those moments like the end of the 13 seconds game, where he was exhorting the defense on the sideline after our last score, and getting everyone fired up. McDermott - who has my support as a fan - I'm not so sure on. He seems to be in the weeds a lot, focused on the details. And I think he's a detail guy in general. I'm not sure if he truly LEADS this team, like some of the more legendary HC's who really set the tone, set the boundaries, and were able to create a vision everyone could get behind. Curious what everyone else thinks, and if a "lack of leadership" might be the missing piece that the team needs to figure out, or just develop as they continue to mature. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I vote Von for Super Bowl MVP! That NEVER gets old! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 The only thing this collection of Bills is missing are afc championships and Super Bowl championships. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I think Hyde is a leader. Dawkins is as well. Tre. And Josh is because your QB has to be. McD is but not in a get in your face way. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Just now, oldmanfan said: I think Hyde is a leader. Dawkins is as well. Tre. And Josh is because your QB has to be. McD is but not in a get in your face way. 🤢 🤮 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I've seen leadership from McD, Josh, Von, Morse, Hyde, Poyer, Diggs at times.... How are they measuring this? 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 We went 13-3 last year in the regular season after this team encountering nothing but tragedy from the Co-owner of the team's health issues to the Tops shooting to the blizzards, missing Christmas morning and Damar plus about 8 other things....that we know of. CLEARLY leadership is an issue with this team. 5 1 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted August 25, 2023 Author Share Posted August 25, 2023 Just now, LeGOATski said: I've seen leadership from McD, Josh, Von, Morse, Hyde, Poyer, Diggs at times.... How are they measuring this? It's a good quesiton - and I do view that show as a bit of a joke, as most sports discussion shows are these days. But it was something they all seemed to agree on. It just got me thinking - do we have it? Is it different in KC, or Cincy? I really don't think so, at least as a significant differentiator. But the discussion did get me thinking about it, and wondering what the rest of the crew here thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 I think this team has some issues...but leadership isn't one of them. If you watched the drought years we had plenty of Bills teams that didn't seem to give a S***. This team cares 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, Success said: It's a good quesiton - and I do view that show as a bit of a joke, as most sports discussion shows are these days. But it was something they all seemed to agree on. It just got me thinking - do we have it? Is it different in KC, or Cincy? I really don't think so, at least as a significant differentiator. But the discussion did get me thinking about it, and wondering what the rest of the crew here thought. I think it feels like we lack something other teams have but that's probably how everyone except KC feels I don't think it's real 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 19 minutes ago, Success said: I saw Broussard say this the other day, responding to Nick Wright's usual deranged lunacy about the Bills. He couldn't agree w/ some of ol' Nick's ridiculous assessments, but in trying to find some common ground for why Buffalo will never win anything ever at any time, he said that they do lack leadership, from any player, or from McDermott. Personally, I don't fully agree. I think Allen leads by example, and is a strong personality at the most important position. We've all seen those moments like the end of the 13 seconds game, where he was exhorting the defense on the sideline after our last score, and getting everyone fired up. McDermott - who has my support as a fan - I'm not so sure on. He seems to be in the weeds a lot, focused on the details. And I think he's a detail guy in general. I'm not sure if he truly LEADS this team, like some of the more legendary HC's who really set the tone, set the boundaries, and were able to create a vision everyone could get behind. Curious what everyone else thinks, and if a "lack of leadership" might be the missing piece that the team needs to figure out, or just develop as they continue to mature. I'm growing increasingly concerned that the McD mutiny thing after 13 seconds may still be lingering. Not sure why. Team just has felt off. 2 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 All of this BS changes if we win a Super Bowl. Then all of a sudden, Allen is worth the hype, McDermott’s a great coach, the culture in Buffalo is strong, and we have solid leadership. Until then… 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddenboy Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Success said: Personally, I don't fully agree. I think Allen leads by example, and is a strong personality at the most important position. We've all seen those moments like the end of the 13 seconds game, where he was exhorting the defense on the sideline after our last score, and getting everyone fired up. i've always thought that this is not leadership. Leadership is a skill (not a trait you are 'born with'). Leading is a verb. "watch me" is not leadership. At best it is a template. "hey guys, this is what it looks like to be good. so take a picture and get to work on building one of your own" It seems like coach-speak. Coach says to the players "i know he is not actively teaching you guys. so just watch him and try to pick up whatever you can" Also, its not what a leader actually says. Because leaders approach it as a skill to be learned, practiced, and part of the job of winning. Of doing everything possible to win and improve others. Who says "i lead by example?" It is usually said by somebody else, as in "dont worry: he leads by example." Edited August 25, 2023 by maddenboy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) They cancelled the Cinci game when their bros nearly died. Not the NFL or Goodell. It was McD & Josh & the team w/ the world watching, saying it's not right to play consequences be damned. That is Leadership. Broussard can shove it! Edited August 25, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos 6 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Let’s see… White, Hyde, Peter, Von, Floyd, Morse, Murray, Diggs… uh, oh yeah, Josh Allen. Oh, and we have some coaches, as well. But, yeah, I suppose we could have a few more leaders on the team… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Success said: McDermott - who has my support as a fan - I'm not so sure on. He seems to be in the weeds a lot, focused on the details. And I think he's a detail guy in general. I'm not sure if he truly LEADS this team, like some of the more legendary HC's who really set the tone, set the boundaries, and were able to create a vision everyone could get behind. I think he's established a culture that wasn't there before he came, so in that respect, he is a leader who implemented his vision and got buy-in from the players and the GM. And he knows how to handle the players. He's not an in-your-face Lombardi kind of coach, but that model doesn't really fly anymore. McD gets to know the players and handles each individual in the way that they need to be handled. That's a leader. I wouldn't mind seeing a little more "personality" (for lack of a better term) from him on the sidelines, but I know that's not his style. The players do a good job of firing themselves up, though. Edited August 25, 2023 by WhoTom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, Success said: It's a good quesiton - and I do view that show as a bit of a joke, as most sports discussion shows are these days. But it was something they all seemed to agree on. It just got me thinking - do we have it? Is it different in KC, or Cincy? I really don't think so, at least as a significant differentiator. But the discussion did get me thinking about it, and wondering what the rest of the crew here thought. Nope. Every single team has leaders....and guys with an interesting back story... And ongoing struggles....and funny guys.....and troublemakers..... Just think about any team that makes the playoffs. The media can always focus on some great story or rah rah personality. Every team has them. Every single team. The only thing that makes the difference is talent and clutch execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 Look Josh is a firey guy with his play but he also loves his teammates too much to call them out and criticize them. Every team needs that guy who gets in players faces when they just aren’t playing well. The Bills honestly really don’t kinda have that. And it shouldn’t have to be all on Josh he’s the freaking team. Get Steff Diggs to start calling out some these guys on the sidelines he seems like a good candidate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 No, leadership probably gets the talent on this team further than it should. McDermott is a Mark Batterson disciple, his whole shtick centers around being a great leader of men. Say what you want about McDermott, but he is a great leader. I think he gives more thought about that aspect in one day than most of us do in a lifetime. Josh Allen, Stef Diggs, Mitch Morse, Micah Hyde, Tre White, Jordan Poyer, Dawson Knox, Dion Dawkins- I think there is plenty of leadership in the Bills locker room. Its pretty simple. The Bills dont lack leadership. The Bills lack Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I honestly believe the Bills would have a Lombardi by now if it wasnt for those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Look Josh is a firey guy with his play but he also loves his teammates too much to call them out and criticize them. Every team needs that guy who gets in players faces when they just aren’t playing well. The Bills honestly really don’t kinda have that. And it shouldn’t have to be all on Josh he’s the freaking team. Get Steff Diggs to start calling out some these guys on the sidelines he seems like a good candidate. I have an issue with the bolded part. First, you have no idea if Josh criticizes players behind closed doors-he doesn’t need to make a spectacle of it in front of the world during a game. Which leads to the second part-immature children throw tantrums on the sidelines at their teammates. I don’t understand why so many people think you have to embarrass your teammates on the sidelines in order to be seen as a good leader 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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