GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not the point, the point is that the owners opened “Pandora’s box” and brought the “ integrity of the game” problem upon themselves, sooner or later a group of players is gonna throw a game for big money, just a matter of time, How is the integrity of the game an problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 22 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That seems a little harsh but maybe one year for non NFL games and three seasons for any NFL game. The NFLPA has given Goodell free reign on the gambling policy so if I were him I'd ban gambling on anything while employed by the NFL (player, coach, administrators, water boys, etc.). That would clear up any confusion. Like I said, one season for non NFL gambling and three seasons for NFL gambling. Yes they have given him free reign...in other words just enough rope to hang himself. They dont want to discipline their own members so let Rodger do it and take all the heat. Another reason why he gets paid so absurdly much. 1 minute ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… Makes a lot of sense to me. I am a trainer for Boxer X who has an undisclosed illness so I tell Josh Allen to bet the house on his opponent and when Allen gets a solid inside tip in a game his is playing, he pays back his boxing buddy with the intel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: How is the integrity of the game an problem? It's not a problem, but introducing gambling, which was brought on by the NFL and owners to deepen their own pockets, has allowed the integrity to look rather weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, The Wiz said: It's not a problem, but introducing gambling, which was brought on by the NFL and owners to deepen their own pockets, has allowed the integrity to look rather weak. are you under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a recent phenomenon lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Ok, they’re suspended, but can they still do promotional work for DraftKings, Caesar’s and other league sanctioned gambling sponsors… hypocritical m****r f*****s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not the point, the point is that the owners opened “Pandora’s box” and brought the “ integrity of the game” problem upon themselves, sooner or later a group of players is gonna throw a game for big money, just a matter of time, Likely there is going to be an issue hushed up for competitive purposes but the team's players know they are likely to lose a big game but odds are in favor of them winning. Players, especially players who are going to retire, will pass this on to family members to bet. If they get suspended does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: are you under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a recent phenomenon lol No, just that they endorse it now. NFL: "Gambling is bad, and now a word from our local sponsor" FANDUEL HERE! DraftKings HERE! BetMGM HERE! Edited June 29, 2023 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, The Wiz said: No, just that they endorse it now. and this endorsement of gambling somehow makes the integrity of the NFL look weak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not the point, the point is that the owners opened “Pandora’s box” and brought the “ integrity of the game” problem upon themselves, sooner or later a group of players is gonna throw a game for big money, just a matter of time, The NFL didn't legalize sports betting, the states did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 the nfl does not think gambling is bad the nfl thinks nfl players gambling is bad really not that complicated 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: the nfl does not think gambling is bad the nfl thinks nfl players gambling is bad really not that complicated The NFL would also be committing business malpractice by not accepting sportsbook affiliations, which directly influence the owners' and the players' revenues. Edited June 29, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 22 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That seems a little harsh but maybe one year for non NFL games and three seasons for any NFL game. The NFLPA has given Goodell free reign on the gambling policy so if I were him I'd ban gambling on anything while employed by the NFL (player, coach, administrators, water boys, etc.). That would clear up any confusion. Like I said, one season for non NFL gambling and three seasons for NFL gambling. Doc, Pat’s point I agreed with is not that I or he has a problem with gambling by law abiding citizens, it’s just the integrity of the game. These players and employees have it beaten into their heads no gambling. Period. If they ban players or even more so employees who are not millionaires, it stops in one week and never happens again. That’s it. You guys want to do fantasy, place bets on fan duel or whatever, I could care less. It’s you’re money. I don’t only because IMO the house always wins. If one wants to for fun, who cares. I don’t care about the hypocracy of owners making $ on betting and prohibiting the employees and players, or coaches. It’s about the integrity of the game. Pete Rose’s example etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: and this endorsement of gambling somehow makes the integrity of the NFL look weak? Yes. But they have looked weak for a while honestly. Beat your wife: you good kill someone: didn't see it so whatevs beat your kid: shame on you, but your good for business gamble: SUSPENDED! Some of these have a very weak moral principle. The other might cost the NFL to lose money because players are fixing games for themselves and costing the NFL and their endorsed gambling sites money. A drop in the ocean I'm sure but they don't want to be fleeced. They want to be the ones doing the fleecing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Yes. But they have looked weak for a while honestly. Beat your wife: you good kill someone: didn't see it so whatevs beat your kid: shame on you, but your good for business gamble: SUSPENDED! Some of these have a very weak moral principle. The other might cost the NFL to lose money because players are fixing games for themselves and costing the NFL and their endorsed gambling sites money. A drop in the ocean I'm sure but they don't want to be fleeced. They want to be the ones doing the fleecing. What is this strawman lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 25 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Doc, Pat’s point I agreed with is not that I or he has a problem with gambling by law abiding citizens, it’s just the integrity of the game. These players and employees have it beaten into their heads no gambling. Period. If they ban players or even more so employees who are not millionaires, it stops in one week and never happens again. That’s it. You guys want to do fantasy, place bets on fan duel or whatever, I could care less. It’s you’re money. I don’t only because IMO the house always wins. If one wants to for fun, who cares. I don’t care about the hypocracy of owners making $ on betting and prohibiting the employees and players, or coaches. It’s about the integrity of the game. Pete Rose’s example etc.. They should now with the suspensions and you and I are on the same page that they shouldn't be allowed to gamble at all while employed by an NFL team. Gambling is way less taboo than when Pete Rose was banned so I think a ban from the game permanently is a little harsh. Three years seems like an effective deterrent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They should now with the suspensions and you and I are on the same page that they shouldn't be allowed to gamble at all while employed by an NFL team. Gambling is way less taboo than when Pete Rose was banned so I think a ban from the game permanently is a little harsh. Three years seems like an effective deterrent. Well for you Doc, I’ll draw common ground as the avg players only lasts 3.5 years so it’s practically a life sentence for the many. The players just need to know it’s a grave decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: What is this strawman lol The question was the integrity of the NFL. How is that strawman? They suspend players for betting but not committing actual real life crimes (You know, the type of stuff you and I would go to jail for if we weren't really good at sports). Edited June 29, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: The question was the integrity of the NFL. How is that strawman? They suspend players for betting but not committing actual real life crimes. They aren't the police. Their job is not to uphold the law. They have a responsibility to uphold their industry. Edited June 29, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Im laying 10-1 no 2023 pro bowlers are caught up in the gambling suspensions 25-1 no 2022 pro bowlers are suspended Edited June 29, 2023 by TBBills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 minute ago, FireChans said: They aren't the police. Their job is not to uphold the law. They have a fiduciary responsibility to uphold their industry. Again. The question was the integrity of the NFL. A strong moral principle. Tell me the NFL has a "strong moral principle"? That's the only point I was making regarding involving all the domestic issues. I still think the NFL is recouping their losses from the covid seasons even though they are still stupidly profitable. If I really wanted to dive into the weeds I would complain about how players are taxed but the NFL is a non-profit so they are not but yea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 16 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Again. The question was the integrity of the NFL. A strong moral principle. Tell me the NFL has a "strong moral principle"? That's the only point I was making regarding involving all the domestic issues. I still think the NFL is recouping their losses from the covid seasons even though they are still stupidly profitable. If I really wanted to dive into the weeds I would complain about how players are taxed but the NFL is a non-profit so they are not but yea. I think they are talking about the integrity of the game lol. AKA the games aren't fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 cant wait till its an elite player, one of the ones that you cant just say, hey, dis guy is a nobody, waive his ass. will be a bit different when its a top player. its inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Again. The question was the integrity of the NFL. A strong moral principle. Tell me the NFL has a "strong moral principle"? That's the only point I was making regarding involving all the domestic issues. I still think the NFL is recouping their losses from the covid seasons even though they are still stupidly profitable. If I really wanted to dive into the weeds I would complain about how players are taxed but the NFL is a non-profit so they are not but yea. The NFL pays taxes Also, 'the NFL' mostly refers to league offices. NFL teams are not non profits and have been taxed accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: How is the integrity of the game an problem? It appears you did not read what I posted, yet you responded to…, 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Likely there is going to be an issue hushed up for competitive purposes but the team's players know they are likely to lose a big game but odds are in favor of them winning. Players, especially players who are going to retire, will pass this on to family members to bet. If they get suspended does it matter? There are many ways for players to influence outcomes, 2 hours ago, FireChans said: The NFL didn't legalize sports betting, the states did. The owners own many of the gambling establishments and were/are instrumental in pushing states to pass said legislation, it goes hand in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 1 hour ago, bigduke6 said: cant wait till its an elite player, one of the ones that you cant just say, hey, dis guy is a nobody, waive his ass. will be a bit different when its a top player. its inevitable. I wonder if a player can force himself off a team this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: I wonder if a player can force himself off a team this way. I suppose they could but get a year off and then hope somebody wants your ruined reputation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I suppose they could but get a year off and then hope somebody wants your ruined reputation I think this is mostly PR and teams would accept a player back suspended for gambling more than PEDs, drug use, domestic violence, etc. if there was a clause in contract forfeiting salary, bonuses, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 6 hours ago, GoBills808 said: The NFL pays taxes Also, 'the NFL' mostly refers to league offices. NFL teams are not non profits and have been taxed accordingly I just realized that the point I was arguing aligned with Jerry Sullivan so I'm going to give myself a timeout. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 8 hours ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… The rule isn't that they can't gamble at all, they can't gamble on NFL games obviously, and they can't gamble in NFL facilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… Yeah I'm not really understanding this what with 80% of all commercials during any TV or radio broadcast shoving gambling sites down my throat. I must be missing something. So if a rando practice squad player on the Lions throws $80 down on an NBA tournament one weekend, he's banned? Or it's only within league or during league play? Make it make sense indeed Ah ok, NFL only, got it. Seems incredibly hard to police but that makes a little more sense. Edited June 30, 2023 by Nelius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 12 hours ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… They're allowed to do that right now outside team facilities. My concern is a player could become addicted and would turn to the NFL (where they can actually influence their bets) in order to make up for the money they will inevitably lose betting other sports. I just don't understand why they make all sports betting illegal if you're employed by the NFL or an NFL team in any capacity. If you want to gamble, don't work for the NFL. It makes it very simple for NFL players to understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, eball said: Good point. But you have to admit Schefter is a ho. he's paid to break stories for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 https://www.theonion.com/nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-draftkings-terms-of-1850592792 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 21 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: https://www.theonion.com/nfl-players-suspended-for-violating-draftkings-terms-of-1850592792 Quote DraftKings made these rules for a reason, whether that’s eligibility or withdrawal of prizes, and we need to punish those who violate the rules to deter future violations. These players need to remember who they work for. Players work for DraftKings now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanoros Posted June 30, 2023 Share Posted June 30, 2023 On 6/28/2023 at 5:14 PM, 1ManRaid said: Did a riverboat gambler sleep with your girlfriend and kick your dog or something? That's some serious pearl clutching you're doing there. As for losing more than you win, it depends. By betting small and taking advantage of regular promotions, I've made far more than I've spent over time with my online gambling account (without any great lucky jackpots to skew the numbers). Contrary to what you seem to think is possible, it's just a fun hobby for me that hasn't ruined my life. Like all things, moderation. I also don’t gamble much but I enjoy roulette and when I play I play with $100. If I make money on the night I then double it down (sometimes what I gave over $100 others all of it) on red/black or odd/even. my dad loves slots and is one of the luckiest people I’ve ever seen on them (I’ve seen him win $16,000 his first pull after I got up, my last time ever playing a slot btw). I learned to play roulette I do in order to pass the time and make my money last. I can generally play for hours with that $100. In my time I’d guess I’m around even give or take a few $100. Now a days my dad spots me the $100 so someone will with him. Moderation is the key to life in regards just about everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:51 PM, The Wiz said: I just realized that the point I was arguing aligned with Jerry Sullivan so I'm going to give myself a timeout. Love Jerry. I know he's hated here, but that makes me like him even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 This is what happens when you make gambling on the games legal. The NFL has only itself to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 28 minutes ago, GreggTX said: This is what happens when you make gambling on the games legal. The NFL has only itself to blame. NFL did not make gambling legal - courts did. NFL decided to partner with gambling as additional revenue source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 1, 2023 Share Posted July 1, 2023 On 6/29/2023 at 11:51 PM, The Wiz said: I just realized that the point I was arguing aligned with Jerry Sullivan so I'm going to give myself a timeout. Jerry is jealous he cannot prostitute. A prison in Las Vegas (where it is legal) needs to hire him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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