GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not the point, the point is that the owners opened “Pandora’s box” and brought the “ integrity of the game” problem upon themselves, sooner or later a group of players is gonna throw a game for big money, just a matter of time, How is the integrity of the game an problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 22 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That seems a little harsh but maybe one year for non NFL games and three seasons for any NFL game. The NFLPA has given Goodell free reign on the gambling policy so if I were him I'd ban gambling on anything while employed by the NFL (player, coach, administrators, water boys, etc.). That would clear up any confusion. Like I said, one season for non NFL gambling and three seasons for NFL gambling. Yes they have given him free reign...in other words just enough rope to hang himself. They dont want to discipline their own members so let Rodger do it and take all the heat. Another reason why he gets paid so absurdly much. 1 minute ago, StHustle said: Not being able to gamble on anything makes zero sense to me. NFL games I get it…even when it’s not your own game. Not being able to bet on a boxing match?? Make it make sense… Makes a lot of sense to me. I am a trainer for Boxer X who has an undisclosed illness so I tell Josh Allen to bet the house on his opponent and when Allen gets a solid inside tip in a game his is playing, he pays back his boxing buddy with the intel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: How is the integrity of the game an problem? It's not a problem, but introducing gambling, which was brought on by the NFL and owners to deepen their own pockets, has allowed the integrity to look rather weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, The Wiz said: It's not a problem, but introducing gambling, which was brought on by the NFL and owners to deepen their own pockets, has allowed the integrity to look rather weak. are you under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a recent phenomenon lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Ok, they’re suspended, but can they still do promotional work for DraftKings, Caesar’s and other league sanctioned gambling sponsors… hypocritical m****r f*****s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not the point, the point is that the owners opened “Pandora’s box” and brought the “ integrity of the game” problem upon themselves, sooner or later a group of players is gonna throw a game for big money, just a matter of time, Likely there is going to be an issue hushed up for competitive purposes but the team's players know they are likely to lose a big game but odds are in favor of them winning. Players, especially players who are going to retire, will pass this on to family members to bet. If they get suspended does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: are you under the impression that gambling on the NFL is a recent phenomenon lol No, just that they endorse it now. NFL: "Gambling is bad, and now a word from our local sponsor" FANDUEL HERE! DraftKings HERE! BetMGM HERE! Edited June 29, 2023 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 Just now, The Wiz said: No, just that they endorse it now. and this endorsement of gambling somehow makes the integrity of the NFL look weak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Not the point, the point is that the owners opened “Pandora’s box” and brought the “ integrity of the game” problem upon themselves, sooner or later a group of players is gonna throw a game for big money, just a matter of time, The NFL didn't legalize sports betting, the states did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 the nfl does not think gambling is bad the nfl thinks nfl players gambling is bad really not that complicated 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: the nfl does not think gambling is bad the nfl thinks nfl players gambling is bad really not that complicated The NFL would also be committing business malpractice by not accepting sportsbook affiliations, which directly influence the owners' and the players' revenues. Edited June 29, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 22 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That seems a little harsh but maybe one year for non NFL games and three seasons for any NFL game. The NFLPA has given Goodell free reign on the gambling policy so if I were him I'd ban gambling on anything while employed by the NFL (player, coach, administrators, water boys, etc.). That would clear up any confusion. Like I said, one season for non NFL gambling and three seasons for NFL gambling. Doc, Pat’s point I agreed with is not that I or he has a problem with gambling by law abiding citizens, it’s just the integrity of the game. These players and employees have it beaten into their heads no gambling. Period. If they ban players or even more so employees who are not millionaires, it stops in one week and never happens again. That’s it. You guys want to do fantasy, place bets on fan duel or whatever, I could care less. It’s you’re money. I don’t only because IMO the house always wins. If one wants to for fun, who cares. I don’t care about the hypocracy of owners making $ on betting and prohibiting the employees and players, or coaches. It’s about the integrity of the game. Pete Rose’s example etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: and this endorsement of gambling somehow makes the integrity of the NFL look weak? Yes. But they have looked weak for a while honestly. Beat your wife: you good kill someone: didn't see it so whatevs beat your kid: shame on you, but your good for business gamble: SUSPENDED! Some of these have a very weak moral principle. The other might cost the NFL to lose money because players are fixing games for themselves and costing the NFL and their endorsed gambling sites money. A drop in the ocean I'm sure but they don't want to be fleeced. They want to be the ones doing the fleecing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 6 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Yes. But they have looked weak for a while honestly. Beat your wife: you good kill someone: didn't see it so whatevs beat your kid: shame on you, but your good for business gamble: SUSPENDED! Some of these have a very weak moral principle. The other might cost the NFL to lose money because players are fixing games for themselves and costing the NFL and their endorsed gambling sites money. A drop in the ocean I'm sure but they don't want to be fleeced. They want to be the ones doing the fleecing. What is this strawman lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 25 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Doc, Pat’s point I agreed with is not that I or he has a problem with gambling by law abiding citizens, it’s just the integrity of the game. These players and employees have it beaten into their heads no gambling. Period. If they ban players or even more so employees who are not millionaires, it stops in one week and never happens again. That’s it. You guys want to do fantasy, place bets on fan duel or whatever, I could care less. It’s you’re money. I don’t only because IMO the house always wins. If one wants to for fun, who cares. I don’t care about the hypocracy of owners making $ on betting and prohibiting the employees and players, or coaches. It’s about the integrity of the game. Pete Rose’s example etc.. They should now with the suspensions and you and I are on the same page that they shouldn't be allowed to gamble at all while employed by an NFL team. Gambling is way less taboo than when Pete Rose was banned so I think a ban from the game permanently is a little harsh. Three years seems like an effective deterrent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They should now with the suspensions and you and I are on the same page that they shouldn't be allowed to gamble at all while employed by an NFL team. Gambling is way less taboo than when Pete Rose was banned so I think a ban from the game permanently is a little harsh. Three years seems like an effective deterrent. Well for you Doc, I’ll draw common ground as the avg players only lasts 3.5 years so it’s practically a life sentence for the many. The players just need to know it’s a grave decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, FireChans said: What is this strawman lol The question was the integrity of the NFL. How is that strawman? They suspend players for betting but not committing actual real life crimes (You know, the type of stuff you and I would go to jail for if we weren't really good at sports). Edited June 29, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said: The question was the integrity of the NFL. How is that strawman? They suspend players for betting but not committing actual real life crimes. They aren't the police. Their job is not to uphold the law. They have a responsibility to uphold their industry. Edited June 29, 2023 by FireChans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted June 29, 2023 Share Posted June 29, 2023 (edited) Im laying 10-1 no 2023 pro bowlers are caught up in the gambling suspensions 25-1 no 2022 pro bowlers are suspended Edited June 29, 2023 by TBBills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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